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Official BBR Tier List v7
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Of course she's a girl. She has a flower!
But I think your pokemons gender is for you to determine so whatevs. =w=
But I think your pokemons gender is for you to determine so whatevs. =w=
MEOW1337KITTEH
Smash Lord
By probability, Ivy is a he. And the voice too.
Grizzlpaw
Rawr~ ♪
Lol, just changed it. I know Ivy's a she, but... that voice...
Sigh, Nintendo... so you make Ivy already a freak of nature being both a plant AND an extinct animal; and now you make it a she and give it a man's voice.
Yet you wonder why she's so unpopular?
Idk, Ivy will always be a "he" to me. Simply because thats how I initially mistook her, and because my subconsious refuses to view her any other way.
Edit: wow, a lot of people have posted while I've been working on mine...
Sigh, Nintendo... so you make Ivy already a freak of nature being both a plant AND an extinct animal; and now you make it a she and give it a man's voice.
Yet you wonder why she's so unpopular?
Idk, Ivy will always be a "he" to me. Simply because thats how I initially mistook her, and because my subconsious refuses to view her any other way.
Edit: wow, a lot of people have posted while I've been working on mine...
The tone of a voice is decided by the size and shape of a voicebox. Its not uncommon for female animals to have deep voices.
and Ivys popular because she's unpopular. Almost like people pity her for being so bad in this game. Haha. I'm gonna laugh if they make her god tier next game. Instead of metaknights everywhere we'll have Ivys.
and Ivys popular because she's unpopular. Almost like people pity her for being so bad in this game. Haha. I'm gonna laugh if they make her god tier next game. Instead of metaknights everywhere we'll have Ivys.
Zano
Smash Master
ivy's japanese voice tho
It's a shame ya don't get the option to switch between english and japanese voices. Metaknights japanese voice is so gentlemanly.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Japanese Ike da bess
Luxord
Smash Journeyman
NairI was pretty surprised when someone said Ivy's meta was razor leaf and bullet seed. You could probably win a match without using those moves. It's meta is bair, nair and pivot grab.
But yeah bair and PG are good.
I can even agree with winning w/o razor leaf b/c it's got meh startup and recovery isn't amazing, so you have to really space to not be punished, but no bullet seed? Cmon, that thing is free damage -> no DIs off throws into BS, punishing air dodges, etc etc.
Wrong infinite, Japanese Jiggs da bess
purin purin :3
Japanese ike sounds like a fat kid. :I
Vinylic.
Woke?
Nair strings into grab, bseed and other aerials, is its best shield pressure option, and reverse nair semi spikes and is used for gimps. It's easily Ivy's most versatile move.Nair
But yeah bair and PG are good.
I can even agree with winning w/o razor leaf b/c it's got meh startup and recovery isn't amazing, so you have to really space to not be punished, but no bullet seed? Cmon, that thing is free damage -> no DIs off throws into BS, punishing air dodges, etc etc.
Wrong infinite, Japanese Jiggs da bess
purin purin :3
To whoever said rleaf is good for camping and that its other options aren't good for approaching, firstly you aren't going to camp a good player with rleaf. Its best attempt at camping is probably just bair walling or tether tricks on the ledge. Ivy has no good approaching options, but things like nair and bair with the occasional sh or fh rleaf are the best options, it's not as if you just spam rleaf to approach.
Luxord
Smash Journeyman
you just said assuming no rleaf and bseed needed to win with IvyNair strings into grab,bseed and other aerials, is its best shield pressure option, and reverse nair semi spikes and is used for gimps. It's easily Ivy's most versatile move.
To whoever said rleaf is good for camping and that its other options aren't good for approaching, firstly you aren't going to camp a good player with rleaf. Its best attempt at camping is probably just bair walling or tether tricks on the ledge. Ivy has no good approaching options, but things like nair and bair with the occasional sh or fh rleaf are the best options, it's not as if you just spam rleaf to approach.
and cmon, reverse nair for a pseudo spike? who's recovery is bad enough that Ivy can get away with that? And if it's the lowers, PT in general can take em out pretty easily (hell good squirtle play alone could take 2 stocks off [some] of em)
My point is was that nair is one of his best moves. Bseed is the least used follow up because of the risk of missing and the low reward if the DI it. Bseed follow ups aren't nair's selling main selling point so my argument still stands.
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Jimmy?
Smash Apprentice
Nair to ftilt all day errday.
P.I.E.
Smash Ace
Olimar needs to calm down >.> makes me resort to lurking in the oliboards >.<
ViperGold42
Smash Lord
ohhhh no, I strongly disagree with the bair of Ivy, I might not be a PT main but everytime I've used Ivy as the first pokemon, I tried to bair and RAR to give some ground and punish air dodges, but my GOD is it weak, it does 5 damage if both hits, which is VERY weak for a BAIR. Ivy is basicaly a poor version of Olimar:both are great at racking up damage close-in, and at irritating at mid-long range, but Olimar has a way easier time landing KOs with his superior (and almost-always disjointed) attack options, including better smashes, better aerials, and a better grab.Nair
But yeah bair and PG are good.
I can even agree with winning w/o razor leaf b/c it's got meh startup and recovery isn't amazing, so you have to really space to not be punished, but no bullet seed? Cmon, that thing is free damage -> no DIs off throws into BS, punishing air dodges, etc etc.
Wrong infinite, Japanese Jiggs da bess
purin purin :3
and from what I understand, Ivysaur as a pokemon does not have any distinguse gender differences, only Venusaur has with a seed in its flower. sorry if bad spelling.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Olimar is great at racking up damage close in?
Which game are you playing?
Which game are you playing?
Psychoace
Smash Champion
Ivysaur's voice in Brawl is Brute Root from the Pokemon movie.
ViperGold42
Smash Lord
you disagree? That's fine, that's my opinion but you don't have to be a jerk about it because that's how I found Olimar to be. everyone has their own opinion on how certain characters are.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
It can be your opinion that the sky is purple.
Doesn't make it so.
Doesn't make it so.
ViperGold42
Smash Lord
So I'm not allowed to have a opinon?
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Stating what a character can do is trying to state a fact, sorry.
Olimar's gets more damage from afar than from up close. He has low % combos, and stupid things like nair > stuff, but it's mostly Pikmin toss/Grabs.
Olimar's gets more damage from afar than from up close. He has low % combos, and stupid things like nair > stuff, but it's mostly Pikmin toss/Grabs.
He may have combos that only work at low percents, but that 20-30% is all he needs.
Olimar will go back to throwing pikmin and waiting for his opponent to get antsy and start approaching, only for them to be eating grabs as their percentage gradually increases until they eventually get to kill percentage for Blue/Purple throws or just any USmash.
Olimar will go back to throwing pikmin and waiting for his opponent to get antsy and start approaching, only for them to be eating grabs as their percentage gradually increases until they eventually get to kill percentage for Blue/Purple throws or just any USmash.
Cassio
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Olimar is amazing at wracking up damage and stringing at close range. Of course Im of the belief that most olimars arent competent in this regard so Im not surprised most people disagree, but put olimar in the hands of a player thats capable of reading and option limitation and he can easily eat half your stock or more for a fairly wide range of percents. Although part of it is his high damage output per attack, similar to Marth.
Uh, a lot of characters, actually. It tends to work because pretty much every other aerial has the potential to outrange retaliation, so people often adjust to avoid those moves instead. Any tether character, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Peach, Bowser, Wario, Yoshi, Captain Falcon, Ganondorf, Falco, Ice Climbers, Link, Samus, Sheik, Wolf...
Characters like Ike, Jigglypuff, Kirby, Lucas, Lucario, Ness, Pit, and R.O.B. can be chased after/followed up on to prevent a recovery afterward.
Spiked by Ivysaur N-Air? It's more likely than you think.
It's not super-reliable, since it usually requires people to actively try to avoid another aerial, and people seem much more content eating a F-Air or U-Air. Still, it's definitely a thing that can happen in multiple situations.
Flayl, give me a little bit. I'll try to gather stuff.
Flayl, give me a little bit. I'll try to gather stuff.
T-block
B2B TST
shameless plug =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqnkP4EWcok#t=0m20s
n-air spikes aren't that hard. and a lot of characters are put in a really bad position if they get pushed under the ledge by n-air without their double jump. note that ivysaur can tether to steal the ledge very quickly, and depending on the recovery, can really mess with her opponent at that point (if a simple ledgehog won't do it at that point, continued b-airs, another n-air, d-air... often a u-air to punish the landing on stage if nothing else).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqnkP4EWcok#t=0m20s
n-air spikes aren't that hard. and a lot of characters are put in a really bad position if they get pushed under the ledge by n-air without their double jump. note that ivysaur can tether to steal the ledge very quickly, and depending on the recovery, can really mess with her opponent at that point (if a simple ledgehog won't do it at that point, continued b-airs, another n-air, d-air... often a u-air to punish the landing on stage if nothing else).
why do people think projectile = camp game? even if a character has a projectile, if it's completely trivial for the opponent to avoid it at long range, it's not going to function as a camping tool. razor leaf falls in the same boat as din's fire, for example, in this regard.
this is wrong on so many levels ._.
you want to DI the initial hit to the side, through ivy. so if you're on the right side of ivy, hold left so that you fly past her. she can catch you sometimes if she b-reverses it though. if you're talking about SDI, just SDI straight to whichever side you're closer to. lighter characters might want to SDI straight up in some situations.
ivy's grab is hella slow. n-air only strings into grab if your opponent is caught holding shield. i'd much rather go for n-air->u-tilt.
I wish all the matches I get in friendlies while at tournaments would be saved; I'd have a lot to go around. This is some of my searching, though--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pGDDFrpdZ8#t=55s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JimZ8Cr0QUU#t=2m55s (YES, I REALIZE THIS IS IMPRACTICAL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnE8Dwo80Jc#1m45s
http://youtu.be/ebXEgNiEESo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pGDDFrpdZ8#t=55s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JimZ8Cr0QUU#t=2m55s (YES, I REALIZE THIS IS IMPRACTICAL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnE8Dwo80Jc#1m45s
http://youtu.be/ebXEgNiEESo
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
I know I have absolutely no PT experience and I'm not very good so I'm probably in no position to say this but I can't imagine a decent ZSS (who knows the PT MU) getting gimped by a reverse nair spike from Ivysaur.
Ask DRN, I guess. It's not something that happens often (same as almost any type of gimp), but it's definitely something that happens.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Kith gimped me with it back in the day. Charizard bair too. Good times, good times.
If you land a N-Air spike on the ground, you can follow up with a grab in many cases. Otherwise, I would just N-Air -> N-Air. More damage, safer, and it's about as fast.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Is nair hard to SDI?
If not, I don't see why someone could just SDI out before the pseudo-spike. So the Ivy would pretty much have to hope to hit with only the spike hitbox, or the last 2 or 3 hits. And it doesn't seem like it has the greatest range either, so...couldn't a ZSS just uair it or something? XD
If not, I don't see why someone could just SDI out before the pseudo-spike. So the Ivy would pretty much have to hope to hit with only the spike hitbox, or the last 2 or 3 hits. And it doesn't seem like it has the greatest range either, so...couldn't a ZSS just uair it or something? XD
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
I mean, sometimes you just hope you live. I don't always their a move out when recovering. Also, down-b interception.
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