People don't be reading whole posts. I said top level based on the top 5 list in this forum...guh. Berserker SM is ranked 5th best Ike on that list. Ryo is ranked second.
M2k the best player in the US also stated he thinks lucas is better. Don't see how it's hard to take me seriously. Obviously u havn't seen the full power of the pk fire!! I'll show u!!
Yer logic is so weird. Who would I have to beat to make it credible then. U guys are making excuses for anyone u consider "top". lololol mwhaahahaahaahaa
-_- You don't read very well on these forums, apparently. I'ma make it really easy for you.
Head to head Match-ups do not make characters better than one another. It is a factor of overall Matchups, tournament placings, and votes from the BBR. If you weren't lazy and actually downloaded the Excel file you could see where ALL THE CHARACTERS YOU MENTIONED outshined Lucas, and with a little bit of deductive reasoning you could figure out why.
The first number in all of these is the scaled MU totals (IE top tiers are worth more and bottom tiers are worth less, you can read in the OP how they did it exactly). The 2nd number is how many "points" were allocated to them based on the MU chart (35%). The 3rd number is the total number of points allocated to the total points from the money/usage ratio (If you made a lot of money with few characters this # would be really high, it pretty much resets the potential for "herp derp bergillion MK players of course they win so much money"). If you want to figure out how they determined that, LOOK AT THE EXCEL FILE!The 4th number is their "total points" which was the 2nd and 3rd number combined + the values they would get from the votes (you can subtract to get that #).
Lucas:
0.302083333 10.57291667 1.386464803 23.90586796
Luigi:
0.377232143 13.203125 0.568497537 29.38513605
Sheik:
0.447916667 15.67708333 1.107666611 36.13691211
Ike:
0.407738095 14.27083333 3.119467264 36.885706
Sheilda:
0.465029762 16.27604167 3.389982622 40.62251077
Ok, so let's break it down statistically now. Lucas has a worse scaled MU chart than all the characters listed, therefore he had less points allocated towards him. Considering this was 35% of the total points, that is a pretty big blow. Lucas has a slightly better money/usage ratio than Luigi and Sheik, but not Ike and Sheilda. However, considering this was only 12% of the total, you don't make up the difference that Lucas was under from the MU totals.
At this point you are WAY farther than both Ike and Sheilda (Ed makes good money with Sheilda, Ryo/San with Ike) so I'm not gonna bother doing any more calculations with them. You can, though.
Lucas was down
2.7 points from Luigi and
4.8 points below Sheik (And way more for Ike and Sheilda). As you can subtract the total differences, you see that the votes were
2.3 points higher for Luigi and
8 points higher for Sheik when compared to Lucas. This could be because of a few factors.
1) You are the (probably, don't know much about FAE's activity) the only Lucas doing anything worth mentioning. However, you aren't really doing anything worth mentioning at that. You haven't made it out of pools at a national, you haven't beat any top player besides me (And you now have a bit of a losing record), you haven't revolutionized Lucas's metagame (You might be smarter than the other Lucas players, but that isn't anything until you actually start DOING **** in the country)
2) Luigi has placed well at nationals in semi-recent history (MLG) and has been more of a prevalent force throughout Brawl's history. There are some people that don't believe Luigi is good because of his traction, but you haven't proved that Lucas is better anyway, so you can't really say ****.
3) Sheik is CURRENTLY doing good in SEVERAL regions: Judo in the midwest, a few sheik players in japan, and 1 or 2 other ones (That I can't remember the name nor the region, but I know they are doing well). Lucas has you and MAYBE FAE. You haven't proved yourself more than they have so the general public opinion is that your character is worse.
So please, before you start saying that nobody has an answer, you probably should have actually, y'know, LOOKED AT THE ****ING NUMBERS!
God, at least I argue about more subjective things like MUs, not tier list #s when the numbers are right ****ing in front of you.
You can't really refute numbers, so good luck coming up with a counter argument.
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