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Then why is pit not in F tier? : (Tier list position directly correlates to success rate.
orion, think of a debate team, you can argue well, and speak intelligently and still be wrong.
Me toThe tier list shouldn't correlate to results, it should correlate to how good the character actually is...
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IN MY OPINION
By how good they are....and how do you decide their teir position?
I would LOVE to see a poll on BBR members, and how many are aware that Lucarios attacks get safer on block as his % increases. That means fair -> dair/nair on shields, ftilt and fsmash starts to become COMPLETELY unpunishable on block for almost all characters who dont have an invincible upb oos.This is true... lol
There are no Lucarios in the BBR. and judging by the BBR discussion on lucario they know absolutely nothing about him. lol.
gallax said:Lucario puzzles me sometimes at how people place so with him at times. Then i remember how he ***** spotdodges with his smashes and then im like oooooooo yeah. Thats when hes good. When people forget to shield.
Thats the thought process which worries methe all knowing brawl god of the universe said:900000x THIS!!!!!!!!!!
Well now you're just splitting hairs.as in, saying that 70% is half of his life.
OK how about putting it this way@browny- Lucario's matchup chart is pretty accurate IMO with the exception of like 3 matchups. his matchups don't really make him look horrible.
OK... but what happens after the dair? Im not saying its not possible but you have to consider dair-dj, dair-nair or dair-dair-nair. Its kind of important what you are following the dair up with lol since thats what makes it safe vs different characters.I just want to say...many characters can punish even a buffed dair on shield with JCupsmash. I think lucario is better than he is. Mainly because all i've been seeing lately is improvement. As well as a continuously developing metagame. That only bodes good things cuz it means lucarios have a bunch of room for growth.
Well jeez you leave me no option when you make a total blanket statement with a lot of room for interpretation which most non-lucario mains would not even think to criticise whether its right or not since they dont know how drastically things change in the second half of his life...Well now you're just splitting hairs.
when he dies ... the end of his life.
they're the same thing.
stop putting words in my mouth and making it more complicated for the sake of your argument.
There's a multitude of ways.but how do you know how good the character actually is? >.>
Aura isn't a gimmick in lets say the same way that like... idk Fsmashing after DDD's dthrow is or something. I think most people realize it's a pretty gay mechanic. But it's not game breaking or something. I honestly think the character still sucks :<And then of course, compare those to who call aura a gimmick and rate him lower. Yes, because frame safe attacks are total gimmicks.
lol at lucario approaching.... >_>So why do I constantly hear people saying lucario is unsafe when he approaches
fixedWell now you're just grinding salt
Lucario has at least 10 frames of vulnerability after dair.Maybe 15. The frame data thread kinda confused me a bit. JCupsmash with in that time span with a fast enough upsmash makes it punishable by some characters. All i was saying.OK how about putting it this way
the characters around him have grossly exaggerated matchup claims against top and high tiers, making them look better than they really are.
OK... but what happens after the dair? Im not saying its not possible but you have to consider dair-dj, dair-nair or dair-dair-nair. Its kind of important what you are following the dair up with lol since thats what makes it safe vs different characters.
Well jeez you leave me no option when you make a total blanket statement with a lot of room for interpretation which most non-lucario mains would not even think to criticise whether its right or not since they dont know how drastically things change in the second half of his life...