Official BBR Tier List v5

[gtKarma]

Why is it when you click on mete knight it goes to a very weird youtube video called Tunak Tunak?

 

[archer.]

Why is it when you click on mete knight it goes to a very weird youtube video called Tunak Tunak?

I never knew about this...

OMG this video is amazing.

 

[B.A.M.]

Lol sonic fairs glide attack all day yo.

 

[Anaky]

When is the new tier list coming out?

 

[Shaya]

probably tomorrow

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Pierce got 3rd with Marth at Brainshock.

So Marth has something now.

 

[Deleted member]

There were also two Wolves in the top ten. :3

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And 3 in top 20 :3

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Midwest has so many Wolfs.

 

[Exceladon City]

Pierce got 3rd with Marth at Brainshock.

So Marth has something now.

Not to take anything away from Pierce, but it's the MW. MW is a practice course for the Top 3.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

probably tomorrow

I'll prepare the flamethrowers...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's not only about the placing but also who he beat. He took sets off Holms, Kain and Fino who are all challenging opponents and play characters that Marth doesn't have an advantage against. Maybe in other regions that wouldn't be enough to place 3rd/~70 but it's still a very respectable achievement for a player that a lot of people have already discarded as nothing more than a theoryfighter.

 

[Raziek]

He also beat MJG, which is only slight advantage Marth. (Assuming he played Tink, didn't see that set)

Oh, and beating Ally's ICs and nearly beating his MK is also very solid.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

One of the reasons I think most "self-made" tier lists of the users here are almost destined to be bad is the fact that there's nobody has a really solid grasp on *every single* character making a solo-effort inevitably inaccurate. So for "my" tier list I simply assign the characters I'm really sure about into certain tears, deliberately leaving out characters I don't know enough or am unsure about. They aren't even necessarily in order within their tiers.

S:
A:
B:
C:
D:
E:
F:
G:
H:

Undecided one's are "between" tiers: Wario between A/B; Pit, Wolf and ZSS between B/C; ROB and Sheik between C/D;
And yes, I think MK doesn't deserve his own tier - I honestly believe he loses to Fox, whereas I'm not sure about Snake losing more match-ups than that [inb4Orion tells me how Snake sucks and you should never lose if you don't mess up].

 

[Deleted member]

Midwest has so many Wolfs.

Seagull also got 3rd at a tourney in PA this weekend.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Seagull also got 3rd at a tourney in PA this weekend.

Until you Wake up and see the cold hearted truth that Meta knight is sitting next to wolf...

 

[Jimmyfosho]

from what I saw (was also at the tournament) I only saw seagull go MK against Blue rogue. He went wolf vs almost everyone i saw including 2 people that went pikachu against him.

 

[Deleted member]

Seagull has mained both for as long as I remember, but he almost always goes mostly Wolf.

 

[DMG]

Yeah going MK vs Wario instead of Wolf is the right thing to do. That MU sucks lol.

While it's true that Brainshock wasn't very stacked with national level talent, Pierce played VERY well to get to 3rd. Watching him on livestream was legit. If he could play like that all of the time, Marth would almost look top 3.

 

[HammerBro123]

Pit goes down 5 that just doesnt seem right

 

[Conviction]

Kinda late to make a comment when the new list is coming soon

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Monday it comes out.

 

[Spelt]

Can't wait for sonic to be S tier.

 

[BSP]

Sonic's going in C

Where at will be the interesting part.

 

[ShadowLink84]

S:
A:
B:
C:
D:
E:
F:
G:
H:

And yes, I think MK doesn't deserve his own tier - I honestly believe he loses to Fox, whereas I'm not sure about Snake losing more match-ups than that [inb4Orion tells me how Snake sucks and you should never lose if you don't mess up].

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

There are better ways you can say you disagree with someone.

 

[Conviction]

There are better ways you can say you disagree with someone.

But then there are funny and good ones like the one below. Even though it doesn't make an argument. His delivery on the pic could have been better :-/ I couldn't get a lol off of it.

 

[Steam]

I don't understand people's reasoning for things. So imma lurk&laff

 

[BSP]

gheb, have you seen MK's success compared to everyone else so far?

IMO he needs a second S

 

[Mr. Johan]

I'm curious on Gheb's placements for Pit and Sheik. I wonder what the reasons are for him rating those two so highly.

 

[Deleted member]

Gheb loves the Japanese Brawl tourney scene and keeps up with it religiously.

Go from there.

 

[Steam]

Gheb loves the Japanese Brawl tourney scene and keeps up with it religiously.

Go from there.

Why is olimar not like top4 on his listttttttttt.........

 

[~ Gheb ~]

gheb, have you seen MK's success compared to everyone else so far?

IMO he needs a second S

Success is also always based on the players. You act as if "MK's success" was an absolute thing when in actuality it's not. The USA has a high density of talanted players using MK [much more than say Diddy Kong, Snake or ICs], nothing more and nothing less. We all have different interpretations of this.

I'm curious on Gheb's placements for Pit and Sheik. I wonder what the reasons are for him rating those two so highly.

Highly? I don't see how I placed either of them particularly high. What exactly makes you think this?

Gheb loves the Japanese Brawl tourney scene and keeps up with it religiously.

Go from there.

Alright, let me draw the line here. There's a difference between taking the Japanese metagame into [much] stronger consideration [which is what I'm doing] and being unable to consider anything else [which is what I'm not doing]. I'm not following their metagame because it's "cool" or "indy" to do but because there's a lot of things to be learned and a lot of you people would greatly benefit from freeing your minds from its limit and choose to broaden your horizon. I still acknowledge and consider american and european results.

You are the one's that can't see *anything other* than the US tourney scene [although you conveniently use EU results when it comes to Marth]. In the same hand I could claim that you guys follow the US tourney scene religiously. I'm not the one turning blind eyes to everything else though.

 

[Conviction]

As much as I make fun of you about following the Japanese so closely, I agree.

 

[Steam]

I just think US stuff should only apply to our tier list because it's its own metagame and the EU and Japanese ones don't really interact with it. There can be separate tier lists...

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I just think US stuff should only apply to our tier list because it's its own metagame and the EU and Japanese ones don't really interact with it. There can be separate tier lists...

Players pay a relative importance to the judgements regarding the list. Would you be against the results of any "foreign" players when they take spots in tournaments here?

 

[Steam]

Players pay a relative importance to the judgements regarding the list. Would you be against the results of any "foreign" players when they take spots in tournaments here?

Nope, not at all.

 

[Mr. Johan]

Highly? I don't see how I placed either of them particularly high. What exactly makes you think this?

Eh, just seeing Pit on equal footing or superior to Lucario and Toon Link just feels off to me. As is Sheik alongside Donkey Kong, but that jump doesn't seem as evident as the Pit jump, but w/e.

Where would Peach go on that list of yours? She's the one character you left out.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I just think US stuff should only apply to our tier list because it's its own metagame and the EU and Japanese ones don't really interact with it. There can be separate tier lists...

Yes, there *can* be but I don't see how it's benefitial to ignore results just because they're foreign. You're basically arguing under the assumption that regions other than the US are not playing to win as much as you do, which is absolutely not true [at least in Japan's case].
Calling it a "different metagame" sounds like a pretty weak excuse to me in the face of these facts because the word "different" doesn't imply anything that makes their results inherently less viable. I don't really see the benefit in the trade between strong indications that you may not see right away from your point of view and a preferrence for your domestic scene that seems based more on attitude and sentiment than on logic and rationality.

Edit @Sonic Storm

I'd probably put Peach in the lower part of C-Tier.
Sheik is OK ... she's quite an unpleasant match-up for Falco and Wario and has a legit shot at beating Olimar and Diddy, Snake being a bit more debatable imo. All in all that's a pretty strong basis for ambitions towards a breath of viability, something she does share with Toon Link, Lucario and GW but she's clearly ahead on in comparison to DK and Kirby.

 

[Steam]

Okay, then how should we start working Brazilian results into the tier list? :/

I only think they should be separate because they don't interact with each other enough and are more or less kept separate anyways by oceans