Kaffei
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Official BBR Tier List v5
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Um...what?
Poltergust
Smash Master
This is what I went for when choosing Yoshi. I just like how he plays compared to the rest of the cast.
When I picked him up back in summer '08, he was like 6th or 5th worst. He's improved a lot since then.
John12346
Smash Master
Not even Nado > Utilt which, when tippered, almost has the power of Snake's Utilt and also hits very consistently when the opponent tries to land on MK with an attack?
It's also frame 7 on execution; one frame slower than Snake's Utilt.
Sounds like an anti-air to me...
It's also frame 7 on execution; one frame slower than Snake's Utilt.
Sounds like an anti-air to me...
Mew2King
King of the Mews
The people who make these tier lists are ********. It's a joke. Marth is overrated, and Wario/ICs/Olimar are amazingly underrated.
Steam
Smash Hero
**** m2K agrees with me about marth...
MKs rarely use utilt.
There's honestly almost no reason to use it when Uair is 10x better.
Damn, the callout.
You gonna take that BBR?
Wario can't do **** to a campy Meta Knight, so he's not that good.
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MJG
Smash Hero
Steam
Smash Hero
needs more sonic
Agreed, unless you're trolling to which I still agree.
Switch Wario and Marth.
Steam
Smash Hero
how on earth can marth be amazingly underrated I don't even
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No trolling on my part, sir.
Kaffei
Smash Hero
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believe in wario!!
Conviction
Human Nature
Don't forget to put Hero's Bed in S Tier.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... step your grapevine game up mah man.
ikes f smash lets you beat top players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUnLOF-iDg#t=10m50s
Its funny because i was this close to asking you who still even played wario. lol
Metakill
Smash Journeyman
marth is underrated because no pro (except MikeHAZE) use him.
Check Europe and you can see a Marth ****** MK (Well.. Kaos isn't god like m2k)
And Marth can get out of tornado with dolphin ... that doesn't help?
wario can do that? (without a wheel)
just saying.. nobody believe in a mexican smasher
(really)
Check Europe and you can see a Marth ****** MK (Well.. Kaos isn't god like m2k)
And Marth can get out of tornado with dolphin ... that doesn't help?
wario can do that? (without a wheel)
just saying.. nobody believe in a mexican smasher
(really)I don't think Marth vs MK is that bad. MKs favor, but only like 40-45/60-55 as long as Marth camps hard enough. But the matchup against MK isn't what makes Marth viable it's that he has good matchups against everyone besides MK (Wario/Falco/Pikachu/Snake) and imo has an even matchup with Diddy, just nobody in the US seems to be good at it.
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But europe certainly isn't a testament of that. They have great players but they don't camp hard enough...
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But europe certainly isn't a testament of that. They have great players but they don't camp hard enough...
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Lol dat logic.
If Marth's aren't successful vs MKs in the US and are defensive, and the marth's in Europe are successful vs MK and are aggressive, how does the accepted strategy become "camp hard?"
This logic baffles me.
If Marth's aren't successful vs MKs in the US and are defensive, and the marth's in Europe are successful vs MK and are aggressive, how does the accepted strategy become "camp hard?"
This logic baffles me.
Europes only good MK is Kaos. And Mike does well against MKs occasionally. Imo the MKs he does well against are around the same skill level he is or better, so in reality, the matchup isn't terrible, a lot of the times he loses he's just getting outplayed. For example, Mike loses to Havok's MK sometimes, but Havok has also beaten Mike with Snake.
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Judging by how much marth experience the MKs over there get, I am inclined to believe they are probably better than most MKs here at the match-up.
Europe has other MKs like Staco and Orion that place well.
Also when did Havok beat Mike with snake ._.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
mikehaze believes marth is much worse than wario too btw and that warios 2nd or 3rd in the game. Wario is most certainly better than marth is. Reflex your style is good in teams but not singles imo. i dont really care what you people think of what i say that much but im gonna still say what i believe
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
I've heard mike say the same thing, yeah.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
you really think wario is in that snake/falco/diddy conversation?
Why? I dont really see the evidence to say that hes that good, but I havent seen a good wario in a good while. the last wario i saw was losing to boss's mario
Why? I dont really see the evidence to say that hes that good, but I havent seen a good wario in a good while. the last wario i saw was losing to boss's mario
Steam
Smash Hero
Wario ALWAYS has to lose to mario. it's canon
Mike still thinks wario da bess?
Are you sure you aren't referring to Mike's really really old opinion where he thought dedede and wario were better than marf?
Iono, honestly haven't asked his opinion on the game in a while. He doesn't care enough to have one IIRC. HE USES MARF, HE WINS, GET *****. (replace Marf with nickname versions of every character not named MK or Diddy Kong and you're legit)
Ally USES F-U-TILT, HE WINS, GET *****
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Are you sure you aren't referring to Mike's really really old opinion where he thought dedede and wario were better than marf?
Iono, honestly haven't asked his opinion on the game in a while. He doesn't care enough to have one IIRC. HE USES MARF, HE WINS, GET *****. (replace Marf with nickname versions of every character not named MK or Diddy Kong and you're legit)
Ally USES F-U-TILT, HE WINS, GET *****
.........
Wario isn't underrated and only minimally overrated. If he's 5th on the current tier list then he's only 1 or 2 spots too high. ICs and Olimar are both too low though and should probably be 5th / 6th.
Marth is 2 or 3 spots too high. All the above mentioned characters are better than him.
And saying that MKs in Europe are getting ***** by Marth is far from true. Since somebody brought up Kaos I'd like to add that out of the ~10 tournament sets he played vs Mr-R he's lost only 2 and I'm pretty sure he has a positive record against Leon's Marth as well. He's the only MK in Europe that's in their league in terms of skill but I have a feeling Staco is getting there soon.
Marth is 2 or 3 spots too high. All the above mentioned characters are better than him.
And saying that MKs in Europe are getting ***** by Marth is far from true. Since somebody brought up Kaos I'd like to add that out of the ~10 tournament sets he played vs Mr-R he's lost only 2 and I'm pretty sure he has a positive record against Leon's Marth as well. He's the only MK in Europe that's in their league in terms of skill but I have a feeling Staco is getting there soon.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
If you play ~10 sets and lose 2, its 8-2, not 10-2. Just thought you'd know, for, you know, not looking like the dumbest allochtoon ever.
Eddie G
Smash Hero
Wario loses to Peach. He doesn't belong anywhere near top 3.
Yeah, because my style up to this point has been, "don't use Meta Knight," and my teammate can pick up the slack.
On a more serious note, my "style" is worse in Singles because Wario can't reliably deal damage to Meta Knight without help from another source. Either he tricks Meta Knight with a tire (but it's hard to pull tires out against Meta Knight in 1v1) or his partner is able to force situations where Wario can deal good damage. That's all.
Mr-R
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oh my bad, misread that LOL but still iirc its 2-3 which is not even close to 2-8
also who the **** are u :o
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