Official BBR Tier List v5

[da K.I.D.]

what is this about lucas' f smash and yoshis grab?

 

[Kinzer]

Something about if Yoshi misses his grab, Yoshi eats shtick.
Sonic for Steak tier.

 

[Poltergust]

Lucas' fat head moves into the z-axis during the move, meaning that he can't get grabbed by Yoshi. Then pain happens.

 

[-LzR-]

Anyways, why would someone ever ban grabrelases on EB kids?

It's like "this character is weak to grabs so let's buff them by banning them"
I am now gonna go BPC and say it's SCRUBBY!

Actually, you are artificially nerfing Marth, DK and HELL the whole cast because of it. Should we ban the grab releases on Wario and MK too? Oh of course, they are good characters so they "deserve" it.

Nothing beats a good old morning rage

 

[Ripple]

Anyways, why would someone ever ban grabrelases on EB kids?

why don't you ask MLG?

 

[-LzR-]

MLG did it because it's about money. People don't like to watch ****ty stuff like Marth spamming grab to win.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So it's ok for DK and others to do it?

 

[-LzR-]

Yes, why not? DK has such thing, why does he not deserve to do it?

 

[Yikarur]

heh nonsense.
The Meaning of the post was "Marths standing infinite is banned, why aren't the others?"

 

[-LzR-]

I never said the other's should be banned, they should all be legal. We could as well ban the ZSS infinite on Rob and all the Diddy Kong nannerstuff.

 

[Yikarur]

neither deserves to be banned, including Marth's.

 

[-LzR-]

Indeed, then why are they banned sometimes? Those tourneys must be hosted by a Ness main.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Actually @ those who mentioned it

DDD's infinite on the ledge against Wolf does only work under the same conditions as his infinite against Mario. You MUST pummel after the 5th dthrow or else the next grab will not connect. So it's far from a "grab leads to death" scenario.

And if Lucas is really worse at killing than GW is then yeah ... Lucas DOES suck at killing.

 

[-LzR-]

Lucas's only killmove is fsmash which isn't really good.

 

[Yikarur]

Actually @ those who mentioned it

DDD's infinite on the ledge against Wolf does only work under the same conditions as his infinite against Mario. You MUST pummel after the 5th dthrow or else the next grab will not connect. So it's far from a "grab leads to death" scenario.

only a bunch of people are able to mash fast enough to get out of the first pummel after about 40-50%.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I am

 

[-LzR-]

Who cannot pummel out of those %? Dedede's pummle is slow.

 

[Exceladon City]

Lucas's only killmove is fsmash which isn't really good.

Lucas' Fsmash isn't bad.

 

[$up@ N0v@]

So after lurking on here for some time, I'm going to try this out....














Let the flaming commence...

 

[Yikarur]

Sheik is so underrated.

 

[Exceladon City]

so after lurking on here for some time, i'm going to try this out....














let the flaming commence...

af k.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Lucas's only killmove is fsmash which isn't really good.

You'd be surprised. :O

 

[PCyph]

pink fresh u suck have u ever even taken a game off any good metaknight no i didnt think so u suck

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Nairo is bad
M2k is also bad.

Such high standards :|

 

[PCyph]

idk who those scrubs are but u could never beat my metaknight

i mean u cant even beat any good ice climbers i bet and they're the worst in the game

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Meep is bad as well.

 

[PCyph]

idk who that is but i hope i get to battle u sometime with my awesome metaknight

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

LOL @ that immediate ban.

 

[-LzR-]

Lucas' Fsmash isn't bad.

Did I say so? Not good doesn't mean bad, it's nothing special.

 

[-Mars-]

I actually enjoy watching the sheer tech skill it takes to infinite Lucas and Ness with Marth.....such a marvel to watch. Definitely shouldn't be banned.

 

[-LzR-]

Difficulty isn't the reason stuff gets banned or not. If IC has an easier cg they still wouldn't get banned.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Did I say so? Not good doesn't mean bad, it's nothing special.

F-smash
Duration:
Animation Length: 62
IASA: 48
Start-Up: 1-13
Before Charge: 8
After Charge: 6
Hit On: 14-17
Cool Down: 18-48
~
Hitbox:
Damage: 15/15/15/15
Direction: -/-/-/-
BKB: 3C/37/32/2D
KBG: 58/58/58/58
SDI Multiplier: 1/1/1/1
Shield Hit Lag: 11
Shield Stun: 4
Advantage: -28

It also has transcendent priority and pretty decent rage. Lucas moves into Z axis to avoid things like lasers, arrows, some grabs [I.e.Yoshi]. Most of the time you can use it just to trade hits [will never clank]

*shrugs* think what you like.

 

[$up@ N0v@]

Sheik is so underrated.

Explain plz.

Also PF is the truth. Ppl need to stop hatin.

 

[-LzR-]

All right, it's better than I thought and I don't understand the z axis stuff properly... He leans back so moves miss him?

Anyways, it's still his only killmove which is bad.

 

[-Mars-]

Dsmash kills, he has that usmash death trap thing....what are you talking about?

 

[-LzR-]

Dsmash kills? It only punishes rolls and spotdodges which won't really be used for that risk.
Usmash death trap? You mean those you can avoid by pressing L?

 

[Exceladon City]

All right, it's better than I thought and I don't understand the z axis stuff properly... He leans back so moves miss him?

Anyways, it's still his only killmove which is bad.

Pls stp.

You talk like you know everything.

How many kill moves does Jigglypuff have? I'm talking ones that will actually hit someone.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

Is that a trick question? Lol

 

[-LzR-]

Puff does only have fair as a killmove and even that sucks as it's never fresh. HAPPY NOW?

 

[Exceladon City]

Puff does only have fair as a killmove and even that sucks as it's never fresh. HAPPY NOW?

I was so hoping for you to say something stupid.