Official BBR Tier List v5

[Ripple]

you guys haven't seen my boy FAE. he took joker out in a tournament recently. this zap jumps and magnet pulls everywhere

 

[_Kain_]

what are you talking about kain? lucas has great aerial movement and INSANE shield pressure. so what if he's not AS good as wario at avoiding grabs. he still has the tools to get around a majority of them

Yeah but if Lucas gets grabbed by some, it's game over (DK, Marth, most can CG him across the stage)

Idk about his shield pressure. But it seems like his aerial moveset just seems like knowing how long to hold your shield up and when to let go at the proper time

 

[Chuee]

Yeah but if Lucas gets grabbed by some, it's game over (DK, Marth, most can CG him across the stage)

If wolf gets grabbed by some it's game over.

 

[Ripple]

Yeah but if Lucas gets grabbed by someone, it's game over (DK, Marth, most can CG him across the stage)

are we going my MLG rules? or MORE typical tournaments? I'd say MLG since that's where the $$ at

 

[Fuujin]

you guys haven't seen my boy FAE. he took joker out in a tournament recently. this zap jumps and magnet pulls everywhere

I don't think anyone can understand unless they play FAE lol

 

[_Kain_]

If wolf gets grabbed by some it's game over.

Actually by 2, even then Pika's grab range is horrible. And wario's works in a certain way that if your near the ledge of nething it doesn't work. Plus Wolf's moveset is superior to Lucas' at not getting grabbed

N none end in death so lololol sure game over for wolf

 

[_Kain_]

are we going my MLG rules? or MORE typical tournaments? I'd say MLG since that's where the $$ at

I just think Lucas is bad is all lol.

 

[NAKAT]

you guys haven't seen my boy FAE. he took joker out in a tournament recently. this zap jumps and magnet pulls everywhere

FAE is finally active offline! Oh my god xD what else has he done!? That's one of my boys.

 

[Chuee]

Actually by 2, even then Pika's grab range is horrible. And wario's works in a certain way that if your near the ledge of nething it doesn't work. Plus Wolf's moveset is superior to Lucas' at not getting grabbed

Somebody's forgetting D3.
And Pika can combo into grabs.

EDIT: @Kain: Cool, only 1 actually makes Lucas lose his stock.

 

[_Kain_]

Somebody's forgetting D3.
And Pika can combo into grabs.

Oh yeah Cause D3's ends in death, and he can do it in place. Right
And yeah pika can "combo" cause no one knows how to DI.

 

[Coney]

FAE is diet pink fresh, step up to the real taste of lucas

also to be fair kain i think ddd actually can infinite wolf off the ledge if i'm not mistaken

 

[Chuee]

Oh yeah Cause D3's ends in death, and he can do it in place. Right
And yeah pika can "combo" cause no one knows how to DI.

D3 has a ledge infinite on Wolf right?
Actually, Pika can combo into grabs at low %.
Utilt and uair can lead to grabs.

 

[Ripple]

Oh yeah Cause D3's ends in death, and he can do it in place. Right
And yeah pika can "combo" cause no one knows how to DI.

go ahead a DI a d-tilt that makes you trip.

go ahead

do it

I dare ya

 

[_Kain_]

D3 has a ledge infinite on Wolf right?
Actually, Pika can combo into grabs at low %.
Utilt and uair can lead to grabs.

infinites aren't allowed if so Marth and DK completely wreck Lucas your point? Why are you switching this into a wolf topic now? Lucas gets outclassed by characters the GR just adds to it all.

Nothing combos in brawl learn how to DI and jump out. You would know since you play wolf n vs pika's all the time right?

 

[_Kain_]

go ahead a DI a d-tilt that makes you trip.

go ahead

do it

I dare ya

You guys are all funny, your arguing that lucas won't get grabbed, then go on to say wolf will, when he has bair, fair, and even better aerial mobility then Lucas. Kinda ironic.

Lol at dtilt, cause it totally outranges wolfs bair, and where just gonna sit n look at it, or even worse, be close enough for it to connect. Oh and even worse it trips 100% of the time

 

[Exceladon City]

Snake's only reliable killmove is his utilt. It's predictable as hell, but we still get hit by it. The others are just random stuff that kills you around 150%.

I bypassed 8 other pages just to tell you this.

GET. THE. ****. OUT. OF. THIS. THREAD.

Your input is no longer needed.

 

[Ripple]

You guys are all funny, your arguing that lucas won't get grabbed, then go on to say wolf will, when he has bair, fair, and even better aerial mobility then Lucas. Kinda ironic.

Lol at dtilt, cause it totally outranges wolfs bair, and where just gonna sit n look at it, or even worse, be close enough for it to connect. Oh and even worse it trips 100% of the time

WHOA! did I ever say lucas would never get grabbed? no I didn't. I said he was good at avoiding a majority of them. I also said nothing about wolf. wolf can probably avoid them better than lucas. but that isn't what I was arguing now was it?

you yourself said infinites are banned. that means that WHEN lucas gets grabbed, its not as severe as you're making it out to be

 

[Chuee]

infinites aren't allowed if so Marth and DK completely wreck Lucas your point? Why are you switching this into a wolf topic now? Lucas gets outclassed by characters the GR just adds to it all.

Nothing combos in brawl learn how to DI and jump out. You would know since you play wolf n vs pika's all the time right?

Ok, so if infinites aren't allowed then as Lucas I won't have to worry about Marth (banned) so that leaves DK. Cool so what are the odds that Im going to run into a good DK that actually knows the infinite?
Actually stuff does combo in brawl.
Like Falco's Dthrow, Pika's uair, etc.
You just follow DI.
lol Kain, I never said Lucas wouldn't get grabbed. I said he has the tools to avoid grabs just like wolf.

 

[Deleted member]

If wolf gets grabbed by some it's game over.

LOL no.

On a serious note, Lucas really isn't that bad. Great mobility and combo potential, not to mention a better recovery than his Mother counterpart. I hear good things about Pink Fresh and FAE as well.

Here's a question: Why is Ness so much better?

 

[_Kain_]

WHOA! did I ever say lucas would never get grabbed? no I didn't. I said he was good at avoiding a majority of them. I also said nothing about wolf. wolf can probably avoid them better than lucas. but that isn't what I was arguing now was it?

you yourself said infinites are banned. that means that WHEN lucas gets grabbed, its not as severe as you're making it out to be

Yes but Lucas doesn't get standing infinited people can Dash Regrab or small step.

Ok, so if infinites aren't allowed then as Lucas I won't have to worry about Marth (banned) so that leaves DK. Cool so what are the odds that Im going to run into a good DK that actually knows the infinite?
Actually stuff does combo in brawl.
Like Falco's Dthrow, Pika's uair, etc.
You just follow DI.
lol Kain, I never said Lucas wouldn't get grabbed. I said he has the tools to avoid grabs just like wolf.

Ok, Cheese did this to a player at MLG columbus with DK, and I don't even think he uses DK soooo...

 

[Ripple]

LOL no.

On a serious note, Lucas really isn't that bad. Great mobility and combo potential, not to mention a better recovery than his Mother counterpart. I hear good things about Pink Fresh and FAE as well.

Here's a question: Why is Ness so much better?

because he has a better match up with MK and people are still probably riding the FOW and shakey meat express

Yes but Lucas doesn't get standing infinited people can Dash Regrab or small step.

doesn't matter! those are banned also. any sort of regrab on ness/lucas based off their break out animation is banned

 

[Teh Future]

after playing with fae like 2134234 weeks in a row...

ness >>> lucas

 

[Chuee]

Yes but Lucas doesn't get standing infinited people can Dash Regrab or small step.



Ok, Cheese did this to a player at MLG columbus with DK, and I don't even think he uses DK soooo...

Yeah, that was my Ness, I don't main Ness. If I'd known he sucked at the infinite I probably would've used Lucas. Oh, and he switched to D3 on my CP soooo...

because he has a better match up with MK and people are still probably riding the FOW and shakey meat express

Lucas has a better MU with MK.

doesn't matter! those are banned also. any sort of regrab on ness/lucas based off their break out animation is banned

They don't exist. No character has a smallstep regrab on Lucas (though I think some have them on ness.). Marth has to use a dash regrab.





@Future:

 

[Exceladon City]

They both blow against MK. Doesn't he have a grab release CG on them too?

 

[Teh Future]

how is that trolling? your ******** im just gonna put you on ignore lol.

i just think ness is a better overall character. and he def does better vs mk than lucas. anyone who says otherwise is probably a random lucas main from Kentucky that doesnt actually know anything about how the game works

 

[Chuee]

how is that trolling? your ******** im just gonna put you on ignore lol.

i just think ness is a better overall character. and he def does better vs mk than lucas. anyone who says otherwise is probably a random lucas main from Kentucky that doesnt actually know anything about how the game works

Yep, definitely Im just gonna start listening to you from now on.
Bowser for bottom 3.

 

[AMKalmar]

I think Lucas is better than some people perceive him to be, but I don't think he's better than the characters listed above him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I really think we should be talking about the standard ruleset for tier list discussions, imo. So infinites allowed.

 

[Deleted member]

Ryu...that avatar.

<3

 

[Chuee]

I think Lucas is better than some people perceive him to be, but I don't think he's better than the characters listed above him.

This, except maybe slightly better than Ness.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

doesn't matter! those are banned also. any sort of regrab on ness/lucas based off their break out animation is banned

*picks Ike*

*ground releases, then Jab 1, then dashgrab again*

*it doesn't count as a regrab of their animation as technically if they are frame perfect they can get out, thus I can "CG" across the stage, even though the likely hood of them getting out without taking a bunch of damage before is very very low*

*gets to the edge of the stage, does release -> walk-off fair because gain, it's technically possible for them to avoid it, just highly, highly unlikely*

:D

Unless their release animation offstage isn't the one I remember. Oh well, not important.

 

[Delta-cod]

doesn't matter! those are banned also. any sort of regrab on ness/lucas based off their break out animation is banned

Oops. My bad Pinkie.

 

[Chuee]

Oops. My bad Pinkie.

You should be ashamed.

 

[Delta-cod]

I can't help it. Lucas is just so crunchy.

 

[Poltergust]

It's not fun eating a f-smash if Lucas reads that Yoshi's going to grab him, though.

 

[Kole]

Lucas's Fsmash tastes like stick

 

[Chuee]

It's not fun eating a f-smash if Lucas reads that Yoshi's going to grab him, though.

z-axis too good.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Which is also crunchy.

 

[Poltergust]

I think Yoshi is allergic to wood. No wonder he dies so early from it.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

FAE is diet pink fresh, step up to the real taste of lucas

also to be fair kain i think ddd actually can infinite wolf off the ledge if i'm not mistaken

LOLOLOL Called him diet Pink Fresh

Oops. My bad Pinkie.

Also, I'm positive lucas does better v MK than Ness. or around the same.

Regardless, keep lucas low tier -_-