Official BBR Matchup Chart v1.0

[~ Gheb ~]

Actually Diddy being -1 for GW is what struck me as the oddest. That match-up is flat-out terrible.

 

[Alphicans]

If you play the bananas well, it's not hard, and really fun. My favorite match-up to play. GaW has some great setups with bananas.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

toon link is so friggin gaymazing. like he is really a great character and he is soooo hard to fight against that it can be quite overwhelming for me. freaking playing jerm is like having a bad dream about getting ***** by gay *******.

TL for higher than zss imo. his current tourney results are better too if im not mistaken (whobo3, poundV, etc. im pretty sure he outdid all the ZSS players there)

 

[NickRiddle]

toon link is so friggin gaymazing. like he is really a great character and he is soooo hard to fight against that it can be quite overwhelming for me. freaking playing jerm is like having a bad dream about getting ***** by gay *******.

TL for higher than zss imo. his current tourney results are better too if im not mistaken (whobo3, poundV, etc. im pretty sure he outdid all the ZSS players there)

Pound 5 Results
1: Ally ($1024)
2: Anti ($454)
3: Seibrik ($340)
4: ESAM ($180)
5: ADHD ($90)
5: UltimateRazer ($90)
7: Gnes ($44)
7: Fatal ($44)
9: Mew2King
9: NickRiddle - ZSS
9: Lie
9: Atomsk
13: Logic
13: ChuDat
13: MVD
13: Trela
17: Pwii
17: Shugo
17: Afro Thundah
17: San
17: Coney
17: Kingtoon - TL



I also didn't go to WHOBO.
Have a TL do better than me at a national, then we can talk about you being wrong.
Also, TL is bad.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Pound 5 Results
1: Ally ($1024)
2: Anti ($454)
3: Seibrik ($340)
4: ESAM ($180)
5: ADHD ($90)
5: UltimateRazer ($90)
7: Gnes ($44)
7: Fatal ($44)
9: Mew2King
9: NickRiddle - ZSS
9: Lie
9: Atomsk
13: Logic
13: ChuDat- Kirby
13: MVD
13: Trela
17: Pwii
17: Shugo
17: Afro Thundah
17: San
17: Coney
17: Kingtoon - TL



I also didn't go to WHOBO.
Have a TL do better than me at a national, then we can talk about you being wrong.
Also, TL is bad.

Oh I just went there . Zss>Kirby>TL?

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

oh. like i said i didn't remember and thought he did better. my bad. don't always get so worked up tho man. every time some1 makes a mistake you are always like, "here's your mistake, now let me rub your nose in it and brag about how good i am." when you could just have easily just posted that i made a mistake without being a douche.

hell i didn't even know you went to pound. or that jerm didn't. i just know jerm did really well at whobo whereas the zss players didn't make it out of pools

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Have a TL do better than me at a national, then we can talk about you being wrong.
Also, TL is bad.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290675&highlight=mlg+dallas


1st (9) Gnes -Diddy Kong - $12,500
2nd (3) TyRaNt - Meta Knight - $7,500
3rd (2) ESAM - Pikachu - $5,000
4th (1) Ally - Snake - $3,500
5th (11) Espy - Sonic - $2,500
6th (12) _X_ - Sonic - $1,750
7th (4) LeeMartin - Meta Knight/Lucario - $1,250
8th (7) Atomsk92 - King Dedede/Ice Climbers/Meta Knight$1,000
9th (14) mikeHAZE - Marth
10th (15) -Dojo- - Meta Knight
11th (13) DEHF - Falco
12th (16) Mjg7tlink - Toon Link
13th (6) RichBrown - Olimar
14th (5) NickRiddle - Zero Suit Samus
15th (8) FatalMatt - Snake
16th (10) logic- - Olimar

and you got a straight bye to your placing.....

 

[Seagull Joe]

oh. like i said i didn't remember and thought he did better. my bad. don't always get so worked up tho man. every time some1 makes a mistake you are always like, "here's your mistake, now let me rub your nose in it and brag about how good i am." when you could just have easily just posted that i made a mistake without being a douche.

hell i didn't even know you went to pound. or that jerm didn't. i just know jerm did really well at whobo whereas the zss players didn't make it out of pools

X____X

Jerm went to pound. He got 33rd. Do your research before you post something factually based.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah pretty much. Some people even think MK is a -1. I am actually slowly starting to see why, but still think it's more of a -2 than a -1.

IMO the for sure -2's are: marth, IC's with 7 or 5 starter list

The maybe -2's: olimar, MK

The for sure -1's: diddy (meh)

The maybe -1's: Olimar, MK, Toonlink

Then some controversial even's would be: Snake and ZSS

I also think we beat more characters than shown on the list, and by more. There's not much GaW rep, so it's really hard to tell what the match-ups are, and GaW's differ on opinions A LOT.

It depends on the character.

For Lucario, not gonna lie, everyone was adamant against G&W having a +1. No one said +1 G&W in the LBR, lol. It was unanimous.

After we talked to Vinnie on a skype chat and based on his recent experiences with playing most of the top Lucario's, not to mention giving a lot of the meat of the write up I did, it only reinforced us wanting a 0. It's a lot based on the players, a lot.

Vinnie even said he beat Zucco because he read roll habits, then lost to Fonz because he didn't have the same habits he could have picked up on.

 

[z00ted]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290675&highlight=mlg+dallas


1st (9) Gnes -Diddy Kong - $12,500
2nd (3) TyRaNt - Meta Knight - $7,500
3rd (2) ESAM - Pikachu - $5,000
4th (1) Ally - Snake - $3,500
5th (11) Espy - Sonic - $2,500
6th (12) _X_ - Sonic - $1,750
7th (4) LeeMartin - Meta Knight/Lucario - $1,250
8th (7) Atomsk92 - King Dedede/Ice Climbers/Meta Knight$1,000
9th (14) mikeHAZE - Marth
10th (15) -Dojo- - Meta Knight
11th (13) DEHF - Falco
12th (16) Mjg7tlink - Toon Link
13th (6) RichBrown - Olimar
14th (5) NickRiddle - Zero Suit Samus
15th (8) FatalMatt - Snake
16th (10) logic- - Olimar

and you got a straight bye to your placing.....

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

nah but ZSS > Toon Link

 

[NickRiddle]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290675&highlight=mlg+dallas


1st (9) Gnes -Diddy Kong - $12,500
2nd (3) TyRaNt - Meta Knight - $7,500
3rd (2) ESAM - Pikachu - $5,000
4th (1) Ally - Snake - $3,500
5th (11) Espy - Sonic - $2,500
6th (12) _X_ - Sonic - $1,750
7th (4) LeeMartin - Meta Knight/Lucario - $1,250
8th (7) Atomsk92 - King Dedede/Ice Climbers/Meta Knight$1,000
9th (14) mikeHAZE - Marth
10th (15) -Dojo- - Meta Knight
11th (13) DEHF - Falco
12th (16) Mjg7tlink - Toon Link
13th (6) RichBrown - Olimar
14th (5) NickRiddle - Zero Suit Samus
15th (8) FatalMatt - Snake
16th (10) logic- - Olimar

and you got a straight bye to your placing.....

Dat Falco.



Well played.

 

[Orion*]

LOL, while watching the video, I was wondering what johns Orion was gonna come up with.

No sleep? Good **** dawg. Nice cover.

I like how it's damn near impossible to prove/provide evidence for anything around here, lol

I mean, if he didn't sleep then he didn't sleep. Legit john, can't do anything about that...

But he made it to GFs on no sleep, and I have a lingering suspicion that if he'd have 2 stocked Mr.R or something, then he prolly wouldn't sing the same tune about lack of sleep and bad representation of the match-up...

I'm not johning, Mr.R beat me fair and square and all I have to do in regards to winning is better myself. He's a great player, and I would never do that lol,

I'm purely talking from a reactionary/MU based point of view since SFP wants to site one match where I was literally on my 4-5th coke for the day trying to stay hyped.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Still you and Theo were trying to cite your case on it being in DDD's favor using a specific method, Theo was using you in particular as evidence for it, which is why SFP brought it up again with that video.

I see what you were trying to do, a lot with spot dodging and PSing a lot during that match. But it didn't shut her down or even matter as much unless she committed with bad spacing where you were right up close to her as DDD.

You may have both made mistakes, but he is pointing out that your theory with DDD didn't work out like many said it would.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290675&highlight=mlg+dallas


1st (9) Gnes -Diddy Kong - $12,500
2nd (3) TyRaNt - Meta Knight - $7,500
3rd (2) ESAM - Pikachu - $5,000
4th (1) Ally - Snake - $3,500
5th (11) Espy - Sonic - $2,500
6th (12) _X_ - Sonic - $1,750
7th (4) LeeMartin - Meta Knight/Lucario - $1,250
8th (7) Atomsk92 - King Dedede/Ice Climbers/Meta Knight$1,000
9th (14) mikeHAZE - Marth
10th (15) -Dojo- - Meta Knight
11th (13) DEHF - Falco
12th (16) Mjg7tlink - Toon Link
13th (6) RichBrown - Olimar
14th (5) NickRiddle - Zero Suit Samus
15th (8) FatalMatt - Snake
16th (10) logic- - Olimar

and you got a straight bye to your placing.....

Burninated.

 

[Exdeath]

Snake should be 0

 

[Luigi player]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290675&highlight=mlg+dallas


1st (9) Gnes -Diddy Kong - $12,500
2nd (3) TyRaNt - Meta Knight - $7,500
3rd (2) ESAM - Pikachu - $5,000
4th (1) Ally - Snake - $3,500
5th (11) Espy - Sonic - $2,500
6th (12) _X_ - Sonic - $1,750
7th (4) LeeMartin - Meta Knight/Lucario - $1,250
8th (7) Atomsk92 - King Dedede/Ice Climbers/Meta Knight$1,000
9th (14) mikeHAZE - Marth
10th (15) -Dojo- - Meta Knight
11th (13) DEHF - Falco
12th (16) Mjg7tlink - Toon Link
13th (6) RichBrown - Olimar
14th (5) NickRiddle - Zero Suit Samus
15th (8) FatalMatt - Snake
16th (10) logic- - Olimar

and you got a straight bye to your placing.....

Sonic > everyone (except MK, Snake, Diddy and Pika)

amidoinitrite?

 

[Sage JoWii]

No complaints about the Kirby MUs? It's cuz we're awesome when it comes to MU.

Btw we totally beat Marth and if they hadn't paid us a million dollars to change the MU rating, we'd be like +1 against him.

 

[Mr-R]

Right, well that's because you guys are both using pocket secondaries that neither of you play all that well (sorry it's pretty true, like, you're smart so you can get away with it, but neither of you were playing the characters well) so I guess what I want to know is: why did this come up in the first place? What makes you so sure ZSS doesn't beat King Dedede based on your pocket secondary matches against R's secondary and your games against Thiocyanide? lol at Thiocyanide btw.

I mean, ZSS isn't a top character, it's true, but none of your experiences or anecdotes really suggest that you have any idea how a good ZSS plays and that's really because there are only like two. Mr. R wasn't even frame trapping with dsmash, which is one of the big reasons Nick Riddle is so successful, he sort of made that mainstream and it's really good.

I love how u just called my 2/3rd most played character since 2008 a pocket secondary.
Tbh there were mistakes from both sides, Orion not powershielding my side b's as much as he normally does and me well with some poorly spaced moves.

yeah I could of used dsmash frame traps, but I felt safer using side b LOL
Like orion already said, I kinda hate this match. We both were playing off( him moreso than me ) and I dont think tis a good example of how the match-up should be played.

also I hate using the same move over and over again while camping so this was extremely hard for me lol

 

[-Mars-]

I'm a noob but I think Sonic is better than ZSS and Tink lololololol.

 

[Judo777]

I'm a noob but I think Sonic is better than ZSS and Tink lololololol.

Regional Bias says HI lol jk

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm a noob but I think Sonic is better than ZSS and Tink lololololol.

I hope you're not referring to Lp here <_<

 

[Mr-R]

I hope you're not referring to Lp here <_<

I'm loling if he is

 

[-Mars-]

Uh I was talking about myself....

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Sonic > everyone (except MK, Snake, Diddy and Pika)

amidoinitrite?

Duh, where have you been?

 

[fkacyan]

Damn

Mr-R in here with the BACKUP.

If it was Orion I'd totally say BLACKUP because that would be HI-LARIOUS.

 

[Mr-R]

LOL I just think you shouldn't judge someone or a matchup by one match

 

[fkacyan]

LOL I just think you shouldn't judge someone or a matchup by one match

Yes I'm judging it based on one match I didnt even get to watch. THATS WHERE IT ALL COMES FROM.

 

[Poltergust]

Pound 5 Results
1: Ally ($1024)
2: Anti ($454)
3: Seibrik ($340)
4: ESAM ($180)
5: ADHD ($90)
5: UltimateRazer ($90)
7: Gnes ($44)
7: Fatal ($44)
9: Mew2King
9: NickRiddle
9: Lie
9: Atomsk
13: Logic
13: ChuDat
13: MVD
13: Trela
17: Pwii
17: Shugo
17: Afro Thundah
17: San
17: Coney
17: Kingtoon
17: Poltergust

Hey, don't leave out my totally awful 17th placing at P5. D:

 

[Conviction]

Lol at the automatic response to a TL placing over Nick and how many people quoted it.

Idk if anyone would want me to explain the how SDI would effect Fox's Dair because it seems the topic has changed...

 

[Spelt]

Lol at the automatic response to a TL placing over Nick and how many people quoted it.

Idk if anyone would want me to explain the how SDI would effect Fox's Dair because it seems the topic has changed...

Dunno honestly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bWGWhut-k&t=2m40s

as you can see here, when he SDI'd behind fox he still got an utilt, and infront of fox he got jabs, and i'm pretty sure he could've hit with usmash there too. not to mention there was a trip that could've been taken advantage of as well...

but besides that, it's not like strings are the only thing fox has going for him. losing dair > usmash still leaves fox with a 8 frame (9 frames oos) kill move that kills ridiculously early.

 

[Chuee]

Hey, don't leave out my fated 17th placing at P5. D:

Fixed.
You can't change fate Polt.

 

[Yikarur]

but besides that, it's not like strings are the only thing fox has going for him. losing dair > usmash still leaves fox with a 8 frame (9 frames oos) kill move that kills ridiculously early.

btw you can jump + input upsmash on the same frame for upsmash OoS so it isn't slower.

 

[Spelt]

doesn't it take a frame to cancel shield into jump though?

 

[Rizk18]

Fox vs ROB is -2 for ROB? Does that mean 60-40 or even 65-35? If so thats very unaccurate. I'm pretty sure Fox's and myself claim it's 55-45.

 

[Conviction]

Fox vs ROB is -2 for ROB? Does that mean 60-40 or even 65-35? If so thats very unaccurate. I'm pretty sure Fox's and myself claim it's 55-45.

What Foxes?

EDIT: @Spelt: To add on to what you were saying, Fox doesn't have to use all of the hit of dair. We can just use 1 or 2 hits of Dair, SDI (normal/Non-Mr.Doom) is going to save you. Fair is the only move I really see getting effected, idk but maybe Foxes would find a way to apply falling Fairs.

 

[Rizk18]

The Fox MU thread^

 

[Conviction]

The Fox MU thread^

I've been meaning to change it to 60-40. But really I see more Foxes and some others saying 60-40.

I feel this is anywhere from 55:45 to 60:40 fox. Fox

60-40 fox

Cloud seems to think the same I think about this MU

fox counters rob 60-40 fox favor (somewhere there)

60:40 or even a 65:35

/\ I wouldn't risk calling it more than 6/4

honestly i think the matchup is barely more in fox's favor thn 60-40 (62-38 63-37 etc)

The virdict should be changed to 60/40 fox for sure.

Straight from the thread.

 

[Rizk18]

What about the other Fox's that said 55-45? Also I wouldn't listen to Nexus, he's just not good at the MU and his Rob is really meh.

 

[Conviction]

You mean Variable and the other guy who only played Brawl about a month and then quit?

 

[Rizk18]

Still think it's exagerated too much kinda like DK vs Fox. Should be -1.