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Smash Lord
Australian ranking list 'low tier'
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Smash Lord
Use the actual tier list. Use D, E and F tier and mabye some in C, not wolf though that would make it dumb.
Melancholy
Smash Ace
Oh right, I get it.
Nah, definately actual low tier; D and below, IMO.
Nah, definately actual low tier; D and below, IMO.
swordsaint
Smash Master
D-down. Anything C tier becomes dumb.
Shaya's Sheik.
Luke's Fox.
Tedeth's Wolf.
Shaya's Sheik.
Luke's Fox.
Tedeth's Wolf.
S.D
Smash Master
You all forget my Peach and Lucas 
I LAG
Smash Lord
i think i <3 hunter tourneys
Japanese Style Tournament. Each player chooses one character upon registration, and cannot change throughout the day.
^^ prevents all these liams and tobys CPing snake and mk against me <.<
Japanese Style Tournament. Each player chooses one character upon registration, and cannot change throughout the day.
^^ prevents all these liams and tobys CPing snake and mk against me <.<
S.D
Smash Master
I think that is a horrible idea.
No offense Andrew.
Takes away way too much depth and variety, and if your character is hard countered by someone elses you have literally no options.
Lets try to be original in our own unique way without deviating too much from standard competitive formats.
No offense Andrew.
Takes away way too much depth and variety, and if your character is hard countered by someone elses you have literally no options.
Lets try to be original in our own unique way without deviating too much from standard competitive formats.
toki
Smash Lord
Shut up Scar <3
tedeth
Smash Master
Yeah 1 character sucks.
Also round robin sucks. That was like the worst tourney ever. So many matches that were for nothing.
Also round robin sucks. That was like the worst tourney ever. So many matches that were for nothing.
swordsaint
Smash Master
I agree with S.D. And I put forward the same reasonings when you spoke to me about it on MSN that one time.
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Smash Lord
If you could only use 1 character I would have to use MK. I agree with everyone else 1 character wouldn't be as good.
EverAlert
Smash Master
Although you know my feelings, I'll reiterate them here for the sake of discussion.
I like the idea of 1, 2 and 3. I'm not so fond of 4, but I'll happily give it a go.
Combination of 1-3 would be good, with some variation. Japanese-style Round-Robin, seeding into US-style Double Elim? I'm thinking 2 pools (lots of matches, but not so many that you get so mentally and physically worn out before the bracket even starts), and a top-12 bracket (better for PR discussion than top-8, I assume, but not a pointlessly large amount like last time). IMO that's not TOO far out there, but also time- and (human) energy-efficient.
I can see Japanese-style being favoured by players who normally stick to one character and rarely deviate (Zero, iLag, myself, etc.) but not players who play lots of characters (S.D, Scoot, etc.). Of course natural hard countering is a problem, but if you're playing a large pool then the effect of that is somewhat nullified.
Custom stages is an interesting idea. I'd like to try out the ones in that Midwest thread in some "serious" matches, but I'm not sure if I like the idea of suddenly introducing them to the tournament formula. Perhaps add them as counterpicks only to give them a test drive before officially deciding CP/Neutral?
I like the idea of 1, 2 and 3. I'm not so fond of 4, but I'll happily give it a go.
Combination of 1-3 would be good, with some variation. Japanese-style Round-Robin, seeding into US-style Double Elim? I'm thinking 2 pools (lots of matches, but not so many that you get so mentally and physically worn out before the bracket even starts), and a top-12 bracket (better for PR discussion than top-8, I assume, but not a pointlessly large amount like last time). IMO that's not TOO far out there, but also time- and (human) energy-efficient.
I can see Japanese-style being favoured by players who normally stick to one character and rarely deviate (Zero, iLag, myself, etc.) but not players who play lots of characters (S.D, Scoot, etc.). Of course natural hard countering is a problem, but if you're playing a large pool then the effect of that is somewhat nullified.
Custom stages is an interesting idea. I'd like to try out the ones in that Midwest thread in some "serious" matches, but I'm not sure if I like the idea of suddenly introducing them to the tournament formula. Perhaps add them as counterpicks only to give them a test drive before officially deciding CP/Neutral?
I LAG
Smash Lord
man why cant we do swiss once
everyone says swiss is sooooo good and stuff
i want to give it a go
everyone says swiss is sooooo good and stuff
i want to give it a go
S.D
Smash Master
The only decent and fair way to do a round robin is if the person who finishes on top is the winner. It's technically the best system as you play everyone and whoever winds up on top is legitimately the best against the entire player pool. However this takes out so many aspects of bracket play that make things interesting, including finals, that it just isn't viable.
luke_atyeo
Smash Hero
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some crazy zany ideas going on in here, so I thought I'd add my own.
how about some sort of swiss round robin hybrid, and for each new round you have to pick a character according to that rounds theme.
how about some sort of swiss round robin hybrid, and for each new round you have to pick a character according to that rounds theme.
ive been discussing the japanese ruleset with a few people here, and havent heard this before. they just seem to have a very different stage selection than us.
i am going to a mini-tourney (don't know what that means exactly) on sunday, so ill be sure to keep you all updated.
oh, and you main mk, so you cant be counterpicked. just sayin'
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Smash Lord
Maybe if there wasn't a huge number of people. everyone could play each other in 2 matches like pools but then the top 4 players go onto the finals. So there are actually finals. Like 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd. That way like SD said you have the players who are the best against the most people.
Edit: Also I like Luke's idea of the themed matches. Although it does give a disadvantage to people like ILAG who only know how to play Meta *****. But I think thats OK.
Edit: Also I like Luke's idea of the themed matches. Although it does give a disadvantage to people like ILAG who only know how to play Meta *****. But I think thats OK.
swordsaint
Smash Master
I approve.
I'm sure some of my other random characters would love to have a go.
I'm sure some of my other random characters would love to have a go.
I suggested this, but in a SF style top 8 bracket.
I feel I should give some justification as to why I think the 1 char + round robin is a viable setup. Having the pool locked to one character in the pool self-nullifies the hard counter issue because, well, you would have been hard countered regardless. The lock would be removed for the 4/8 man bracket.
Themed battles sound cool. Categories I can think of are: Swords, Projectiles, Female, C tier, Melee, umm. Falcon dittos. It would have to be generated randomly each match, but I think it would be fun for a small non-serious pools or bracket.
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Smash Lord
Didn't realise you already suggested it, I like the suggestion however would be interesting.
S.D
Smash Master
It's your tournament Andrew, but I am heavily opposed to the 1 character rule.
Just my 2 cents <3
Just my 2 cents <3
swordsaint
Smash Master
The only thing that a 1 character tournament will do, is force everyone to use their mains. The one person who I think will suffer the most is Tedeth IMO. Since he uses Wolf and Wario in different situations.
A one character tournament should be tried out though. If there was one thing I learnt by going all Falco at Boost, is that you learn a helluva lot more than you would by not facing difficult matchups. And I think (S.D) that you having to go all Diddy, and be forced in to facing everyones Snakes (Canberra joke here) would probably show you a lot faster how to get around your problem.
A one character tournament should be tried out though. If there was one thing I learnt by going all Falco at Boost, is that you learn a helluva lot more than you would by not facing difficult matchups. And I think (S.D) that you having to go all Diddy, and be forced in to facing everyones Snakes (Canberra joke here) would probably show you a lot faster how to get around your problem.
Toby.
Smash Master
I am opposed to the one character rule.
Maybe if I used a good character I would like it :S
Maybe if I used a good character I would like it :S
I do agree with you Scott, but as a TO, I'm obliged to make people happy when they come to these things. So at this rate, I don't think I could host it. It would take someone much more stubborn than me to keep it with this sort of reaction. I do think it should be tried, but maybe later, after the series is more established.
As for the round robin, I'm now thinking that a two pool split, with the Top 4 from each pool coming together into a bracket, would be fun.
As for the round robin, I'm now thinking that a two pool split, with the Top 4 from each pool coming together into a bracket, would be fun.
swordsaint
Smash Master
it fails power rankings though.
Nooooooo all you need is one you just have to believe in that tiny turtle friend of yours. Don't fight to win, fight for him.
swordsaint
Smash Master
You have to be the very best, like noone ever was.
Or use Metaknight.
Or use Metaknight.
The people who get into the bracket will most probably be PR'd, and if they aren't, they would be considered for it because they made it in anyway.
S.D
Smash Master
Ooh like East and West conference in the NBA. I approve.
Jazz77vivi
Smash Journeyman
Round Robin is good, cause that way we get to face everyone... it sucks if you get knocked out staright away and don't get to play again for like 5 hrs... I agree with having a round robin, as long as it moves quickly this time ^_^
Not sure bout the 1 char thing though... it could be intersting, but where's the variety?
if we do have 1 char, i propose we all pick Ganon
Manly tourney is manly
Not sure bout the 1 char thing though... it could be intersting, but where's the variety?
if we do have 1 char, i propose we all pick Ganon
Manly tourney is manly
tedeth
Smash Master
Dude we've done round robin before. It was sooooo boring.
Round Robin is -not- good.
I don't want to play N-1 (N = number of entrants) SETS.
I'm very happy for quick DE brackets so I can only play like a max 6 sets <3.
I don't want to play N-1 (N = number of entrants) SETS.
I'm very happy for quick DE brackets so I can only play like a max 6 sets <3.
Jazz77vivi
Smash Journeyman
Yes... but you and Tedeth are guarenteed to win most of the matches, so you don't have to worry about it... that's why you don;t really like it...
But for someone just getting into the scene its awefully boring sitting there for 5 hrs straight. HV Tourney number two didnt have a Round Robin and I got eliminated staright away and was stuck there for god knows how long.... i even went home and got my DS and brought it back there and played it until the final....
swordsaint
Smash Master
Jazz, ima call you a sook here.
ask people for friendlies, problemo solved
ask people for friendlies, problemo solved
Jazz77vivi
Smash Journeyman
I sat back and thought about that when I finished typing and lol'd at myself for it, lol
But it's just a conflict of opinions, really... I'd rather lose after facing everyone in some good matches against different people with different skills and strategies, and so on.... then lose after one match and that's it... it's kinda depressing if ya know what I'm getting at...
Anyway, are we expecting a larger turn out than the last two? Are you planning on the same hall Zero? Are my questions bombarding you with their irrelavance?
swordsaint
Smash Master
jazz, ask different people for friendlies, you'll rarely get anyone say no
ask Power Ranked people between matches or when they lose, etc
dont just play whoever else is knocked out
ask Power Ranked people between matches or when they lose, etc
dont just play whoever else is knocked out
Jazz77vivi
Smash Journeyman
Last time I played with the Amateur League people after a while, when their thing ended...
I actually won some matches then XD