Guide "Not to be Taken Orally" Doc Guide by Cyphus *Plus tutorial vid by SmashMac*

[Dogysamich]

oh you can (only on FFers), but not only is up+b cancelling for combos a gimmick, if you **** it up and actually go the direction with them, they pretty much punish with death.

 

[otg]

oh you can (only on FFers), but not only is up+b cancelling for combos a gimmick, if you **** it up and actually go the direction with them, they pretty much punish with death.

YA! The risk reward on that **** sounds ****ing fantastic. Let's set ourselves up for ****, anyone?

 

[Purple_Haze]

Um, you mostly go the opposite direction if you fail up-b cancel. You only follow them of you really mess up, and those are usually the people who haven't practiced enough, or haven't practiced at all.
So it's either you get it, or you go the other way which is also a good thing cause your opponent can't get to you fast enough.
So your not setting yourself up for **** at all, unless you suck.
Oh and if they shield, that increases the chances of you actually pulling it off.
The only way you could get completely ***** is if they side-step. Cause your basically hitting nothing, and (if you haven't noticed) it's harder to pull it off when there is nothing there.
And it's better to try to do it when your opponent is at a high percentage so when he/she gets hit they have less time to recover. And yes, it is better on fast fallers.

Oh, and don't do it if you KNOW you can't or have little practice. Cause it will **** you up. BUT it CAN be used in a combo.

 

[Roman.]

lol, never use upb cancel in a serious match....

it's just a flashy thing to do in friendlies so don't go taking it to heart

 

[Purple_Haze]

lol, never use upb cancel in a serious match....

it's just a flashy thing to do in friendlies so don't go taking it to heart

Very true.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Great guide! Thanks! This helped me a lot!

 

[SPAWN]

I remember Smashmac telling me like 2 years ago that upb cancelling oos vs Peach is extremely good. Thoughts?

 

[VGmasta]

I need to Up-B out of shield more against spacies, it looks really useful.

 

[SPAWN]

I've never been able to get the upb cancelling (that's right, not even once on normal speed). That's part of the reason I ended up not maining Doc like 3 or so years ago haha.

 

[Dogysamich]

It's not really so useful against FFers that know how to deal with it.

Floaties on the other hand, it's good for.

___

And there really shouldnt be any more discussion here.

It all outta be here

 

[buDinoNC]

i started maining doc few time ago. i have a question: i cant taunt cancel, can someone explain how to do it? and do u know if it works on pal too? (i use pal)

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Woah...

I've been trying to find a new main lately, and I've found out that I'm not terrible with Doc. XD

Now, I've been playing some lvl 9 computers since I can't play with any human players, and This is happened to me multiple times: Doc's Fair has a phantom hit somewhere in there, because I'll execute his Fair, I'll land on the ground forgetting to L-cancel, and the opponent will take damage after I have already landed?

Can someone agree or disprove this?

 

[SmashMac]

Hmm that sounds awkward CA5H but I wouldn't doubt that one of those hit-boxes in his fair is kinda broken. I have phantomed someone with it before as well. Oh and if you're going to practice some tech stuff against CPUs, make them level 4. They DI better.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Hmm that sounds awkward CA5H but I wouldn't doubt that one of those hit-boxes in his fair is kinda broken. I have phantomed someone with it before as well. Oh and if you're going to practice some tech stuff against CPUs, make them level 4. They DI better.

Thanks, man!

 

[bsltiger]

hey, cyphus, are you going to FFF? i might be there and i was hoping to get some pointers from you.

 

[omnibus2]

Thanks so much for the details on the matchup for every single character. This will help my dr against dk.

 

[Kapa]

You're the man cyphus

Cyphus you are a new doc hero for me. Even though i'm a ganon main, i like playing doc as an equivalent secondary. This is the best guide out to date (trust me i've read them all). Mad props on the time you took to make this. Keep up the good work.

 

[TheSweeper]

I really enjoyed this guide, I often find myself going back to it to polish techniques. Definitely helped my game vs Captain Falcon, seeing as before I read the guide I barely shuffld bair. Great guide!

 

[Grodion]

hey guys, im a new doc main. i found all these techniques help my doc in general by alot, so thanks for that. the "docs checkup" video either wont work for me, or is down... is it possible to get someone to re-puload that? thanks.

 

[VGmasta]

hey guys, im a new doc main. i found all these techniques help my doc in general by alot, so thanks for that. the "docs checkup" video either wont work for me, or is down... is it possible to get someone to re-puload that? thanks.

Welcome aboard the Doc mains, Grodion.

That hyperlink to the "Doctor's Checkup" wasn't working for me either. It took me a while to find the actual video. But here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp_qhEx3zKE

I've also added the video into my playlist of Dr. Mario combo videos. It consists of most (maybe all) of the combo videos with Dr Mario along with some other useful videos. Feel free to check that out as well:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL99BB8038C0A359FA

 

[Grodion]

thank you sooo much. i have been searching for this vid for more then a month, this will help my doc game alot . ill be uploading videos of me playing soon.

 

[VGmasta]

thank you sooo much. i have been searching for this vid for more then a month, this will help my doc game alot . ill be uploading videos of me playing soon.

You're welcome. I look forward to seeing the uploads.

 

[SmashMac]

I've updated all of my links to my videos and this guide in my threads. I've also updated the link associated with my signature regarding "The Doctor's Checkup". Thanks for pointing that out guys.

 

[Grodion]

ugh, sorry for not getting my vids uploaded. my bro took the camera with him to college. ill just ask my friend if i can borrow his.

 

[rk-9000]

damn long time since last post, anyways great guide cyphus helped alot but i was wondering just how important is WDing with doc, i know hes not luigi and he can function without it but i was just wondering

 

[VGmasta]

i was wondering just how important is WDing with doc, i know hes not luigi and he can function without it but i was just wondering

It is imperative that one can wavedash as Doc. Wavedashing is a great movement and spacing tool. So Doc definitely needs it. Doc is otherwise, wayy too easy to punish because of how predictable his movements would become. His wavedash isn't as long as Luigi's, but Doc's wavedash still gives him a bunch of great options for moving in and out and excellent spacing.

 

[rk-9000]

guess id better learn how to actually wd then

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah don't worry. Just try to learn the basics of Doc for now. When I started I couldn't WD for ****.

It's good to learn it tho. How was your progress on learning to WD?

 

[rk-9000]

the thing is, i dont have any issues wding between kills and stuff i just have problems trying to implement that into when im actually fighting as a way to move, hopefully its just a practice thing though and ill get better over time

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah I also used to only be able to WD after someone was killed. I try to show that I can WD, but it's just that I couldn't implement in battle.

Just keep practicing it by yourself, like wave dashing and wave landing with your main. Then keep trying to do it in battle and if you can't do it, just play the battle out and try again another time.

Dunno why but after sometime I was able to wavedash in battle. : D

 

[rk-9000]

so i guess it is just a practice thing? that is reassuring though

 

[St. Viers]

I would say the most useful thing to learn with wding is to do it out of your shield, and wave-dashing off the ledge onto the stage. While actually fighting, use it to fix your spacing, mixed in with dash dancing.

I was the same way (I could wavedash, but didn't know how to use it), and I started overusing it, and now I think I got the balance right XD

 

[Grodion]

but not many people play melee these days... hopefully the next smash game will include wd

 

[rk-9000]

but not many people play melee these days... hopefully the next smash game will include wd

melee still has a pretty active tournament scene but unfortunately its more likely that the next game will be more like brawl 2 than melee 2

 

[St. Viers]

melee still has a pretty active tournament scene but unfortunately its more likely that the next game will be more like brawl 2 than melee 2

The game cube is indestructable. As long as people keep the melee disc in the cube, you can play it forever lol. Screw newer games and systems

 

[Grodion]

your probably right, the next smash game will probably suck. im just glad that i switched back from brawl to melee

 

[rk-9000]

your probably right, the next smash game will probably suck. im just glad that i switched back from brawl to melee

[conversion high five]

 

[Grodion]

ermm, what? lol

 

[rk-9000]

[conversion high five]

ermm, what? lol

that was me high fiving you as a congratulations on your switch from brawl to melee

 

[Grodion]

ah. in that case, okay back on topic
Edit: is it just me, or is doc a hard player to play with?