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[Allied]

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[Turbo Ether]

Lol low tiers

It's only right that I was born to use Ike
And the scrubs that I fight, are even tougher than Yipes
I'm taking smashers to a new plateau, through smash slow
My rhymin' is a vitamin, Hell, without a capsule

 

[Inui]

I'm not taking Sonic advice from someone who doesn't even play him, or hasn't.

kk

keep having trouble with characters that should NEVER win, such as Captain Falcon and Link

you could just run and not approach, but you're too aggressive

You say your school sucks all the time.....now they're good. It changes how you need it to be to support your arguements.

Um... Overall, yes.

Rigel, Thom, Daryl, Dave, Doc? Nah, they're all right. Doc is the worst of those I listed and he did pretty well in a lot of Ike dittos against me yesterday, including winning one. >_>;

What exactly did that sentence negate? Def not the whole thing I wrote, and probably just "How can you say that you going exclusively mk vs ics makes the win worth less, but kai can't say he goes diddy exclusively vs (insert character)? It is the SAME situation, but with different characters." that.

When did I say beating Kai in a low tier tournament (if, and only if, Diddy is trule his choice character) is equal to winning in a normal tournament? It's merely a legit tournament win for cash against his main for the panelists to consider and weigh. It has weight, and we exist to determine that weight.

What is hard about this?

Note I said WORTH LESS, not worthless. In one situation you are compromising someones win over another player by categorizing said players mains into 1 and 2. But not allowing for the same to be done against you. Atomsk has a 1-10 that are all really good. If I beat his mk, ics, luigi, snake, olimar, I guess it means less than beating his d3, even when I'm using diddy or falco?

Max's win over me is worth less than a normal win. It's not worthless. I agree.

If you beat Atomsk's mains, you beat his mains. He has lots.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

kk

keep having trouble with characters that should NEVER win, such as Captain Falcon and Link

you could just run and not approach, but you're too aggressive



Um... Overall, yes.

Rigel, Thom, Daryl, Dave, Doc? Nah, they're all right. Doc is the worst of those I listed and he did pretty well in a lot of Ike dittos against me yesterday, including winning one. >_>;



When did I say beating Kai in a low tier tournament (if, and only if, Diddy is trule his choice character) is equal to winning in a normal tournament? It's merely a legit tournament win for cash against his main for the panelists to consider and weigh. It has weight, and we exist to determine that weight.

What is hard about this?



Max's win over me is worth less than a normal win. It's not worthless. I agree.

If you beat Atomsk's mains, you beat his mains. He has lots.

KK, keep losing to me in Low tiers.

Like I said, your school matters when you need them to matter. None of them play smash competitvely and you know it.

You exist to determine that weight....but you count it the same anyway. We already went over this in the last low tier discussion just bc of the label of "main" on my sonic

 

[Inui]

KK, keep losing to me in Low tiers.

Like I said, your school matters when you need them to matter. None of them play smash competitvely and you know it.

You exist to determine that weight....but you count it the same anyway. We already went over this in the last low tier discussion just bc of the label of "main" on my sonic

Yup, my character loses kinda badly and the skill gap between us isn't big enough to make me win that.

Me, Dave, Juice, Thom, and Rigel all play competitively. I forgot to list Juice, who's about as good as Dave now, and he uses PT a lot, more low tier practice.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

Yup, my character loses kinda badly and the skill gap between us isn't big enough to make me win that.

Me, Dave, Juice, Thom, and Rigel all play competitively. I forgot to list Juice, who's about as good as Dave now, and he uses PT a lot, more low tier practice.

You and Dave play smash competitvely. Juice has played in 2 events, and the others aren't around either.

Dave plays TL and MK. You're the only one who matters in low tiers in your school.

 

[CT Chia]

How can you say that you going exclusively mk vs ics makes the win worth less, but kai can't say he goes diddy exclusively vs (insert character)? It is the SAME situation, but with different characters.

Because in Max's situation, it's harmful to Inui. In Kai's situation, it's beneficial to Inui.


I love how Squall doesn't even main Snake lol. He's an MK main who seconds Snake.

Edit: Also I need to post this for the lolz (from the DSO thread when discussing DSO9)

thankfully I main Snake now and my Marth is h4x once more

 

[Turbo Ether]

I love how Squall doesn't even main Snake lol. He's an MK main who seconds Snake.

****


Ultra Combo Finish!

 

[Inui]

You and Dave play smash competitvely. Juice has played in 2 events, and the others aren't around either.

Dave plays TL and MK. You're the only one who matters in low tiers in your school.

Juice is about as good as Dave, broski. I'm talking about skill, not whether people attend events or not. Rigel is probably going to Battle Royale and he's been levelling up a lot recently, and Thom goes to one tournament per month usually.

Because in Max's situation, it's harmful to Inui. In Kai's situation, it's beneficial to Inui.

Wrong. Two losses to Max when he beat everyone else doesn't harm me at all, especially since I'm the only person with a legit win over him in NJ right now. Low tiers counting when mains are involved is beneficial to Kai, not me. I am not capable of taking out his Sonic with Ike at this point because he camps me massively and Ike loses the match-up 60/40 (maybe worse if he played like Mr. 3000 did with infinite spring edgeguarding and super camping).

Edit @ Chibo: I do use Snake much more than MK in singles now. I just happen to be 100% MK-exclusive (will never try another character under any circumstances) for ICs.

 

[_Yes!_]

Ether's too good. Way to ignore my argument peoples...

 

[Inui]

Ether's too good. Way to ignore my argument peoples...

Your argument:

"I don't care about this game and enter stuff as a joke, especially low tiers, and since I spam Falcon Punch and don't care, that means nobody else cares either!"

Weak.

I care immensely about my performance in low tier events as well as winning cash in them, and I know plenty of other people do as well.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

I just happen to be 100% MK-exclusive (will never try another character under any circumstances) for ICs.

Theres no point in me posting my view. You've said it twice for me.

When Atomsk and I kept telling you that Haven was the best Pit you said he doesn't matter because he doesn't attend events. Why would anyone from your school matter or be considered good if they don't go to events and just play you over and over? You have habits and are limited to characters just like everyone else.

 

[MalcolmM]

Sonic loses to plenty of low tiers...

Ness flat out beats him.

PT if u just switch off charizard will beat him.

Jiggs beats him.

Lucas beats him.

CF beats him.

Mario is even.

Ike is even.

Yoshi loses slightly

I am not sure about bowser, but from the matches ive seen it cant be more than a slight advantadge to either side.

Ganon and samus are the only 2 characters that he genuinely 6:4s in low tiers (Oh and zelda, but shes not a real character so who cares)



Low tiers shouldn't count.

The matches are just tests of safer playstyles and ability to punish. Hence why Ike and Sonic win for the most part.

Its November 09 and people haven't started SDI'ing and counterattacking from Ikes jabs yet. Its clear no1 is putting in any time to learning how to fight AGAINST the characters they are facing...so why make it worth anything?

November 3rd, 2009 and only a handful of people can find a way thru sonic pressing down b....low tiers are a nice side event and a good way to reward low tier mains, but they aren't really serious business.

MK banned tourneys shouldn't count.

The excuse of "I was gonna use MK" can not be given to people based on what they have done previously. Anyone could legitimately be practicing metaknight in their room for this onnnne matchup. We can't excuse everyone who says that....nor can we dismiss people based on if we THINK they are telling the truth.

Unlessssssssssssssssssssssssssss u guys wanna make the rankings more ridiculous and have a listing of everyones potential secret metaknight counterpicks.


Please put me @ the top of the list.

Could choose metaknight against the following characters:

MalcolmM: ICs, Shiek, DDD, Ganon, Jiggs.

 

[Inui]

Theres no point in me posting my view. You've said it twice for me.

When Atomsk and I kept telling you that Haven was the best Pit you said he doesn't matter because he doesn't attend events. Why would anyone from your school matter or be considered good if they don't go to events and just play you over and over? You have habits and are limited to characters just like everyone else.

Yeah, and? My losses to Max still count. Just not as much since I didn't have MK. Just like how your losses in low tiers (which do not exist besides Ally and Mew2King and they are likely to be the only ones to beat you) don't count against you much, if at all.

Haven is clearly not the best Pit. KoolAid is. He doesn't matter in the tournament scene because he doesn't attend events. Thom, Juice, and Rigel all attend way more events than him. You made some crazy claim that he's the best with his character in the nation despite never doing anything offline. I'm saying that decent players exist in my school because they fight me and Dave a lot. Biiiiiig difference.

Ike is even.

You have negated your entire post with this utter and complete bull****.

There is no way I can take this seriously. Sonic losing to Jigglypuff is also dumb.

 

[Turbo Ether]

Ether's too good.

Yipes: "Duff, Duff and Duff. Blanka is getting Duffed out like he was hanging with Homer Simpson."

 

[_Yes!_]

Your argument:

"I don't care about this game and enter stuff as a joke, especially low tiers, and since I spam Falcon Punch and don't care, that means nobody else cares either!"

Weak.

I care immensely about my performance in low tier events as well as winning cash in them, and I know plenty of other people do as well.

learn to read scrub. I'll post it again.

If my two cents count for anything, I'd have to say that low tiers is a joke to me. The fact that pokemon trainer, bowser, yoshi, and mario are allowed are stupid to me.

Squirtle is freakin' high tier. IDC if he can't kill and gets tired. Switch pokemon and take 10% OH SHIZ!

Bowser has grab release shenanigans across the stage on most characters I believe, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yoshi has CG grab release BS on every low tier besides Mario if I'm not mistaken.

Mario's mid tier.

....

With that said, low tiers is a side event for fun. No one should really care if you're the best with a crappy character. I run up to people and taunt, and go for 800 falcon punches in tourney. This is just an example of how one person would interpret a side event.

....

As far as MK banned shiz goes, it's kind of unfair to say because then anyone can say that. It's like a "get out of bad tourney performance free card" that I joked about awhile ago. It's not even an issue if someone uses MK or not. Someone could have a pocket MK they could use. Ally has a pretty good MK, so if he loses to an IC's in an MK banned tourney, can he say "IF I HAD MK YOU'D BE DONESKIES SON!" ?

IMO keep rankings exclusive to singles performance because if one exception is made, all exceptions should be allowed, and brawl+ should be an exception as well so that I'm ranked #1

...****...you guys made me post intelligently...**** YOU NJ THREAD!

Your rules for low tiers suck. You allow some mid tiers based on your opinion. You fail to realize that not everyone wants to stroke their ego with a mediocre character. Some people enter low tiers for fun because it's a SIDE EVENT. You're the only TO that sacrifices tourney time (singles/doubles) for the sake of a side event. Do you honestly think people want to stay til 2am because you want to try to beat people with Ike?

The fact that you're bending the rules so you can john your way out of a loss wasn't even addressed in your evaluation of my post. You change your mindset opinion to fit your current argument. The fact that you place so much weight on what you think and disregard the input of the rest of that state makes you an unfit panelist.

Your "win" over max shouldn't even count because you freakin hounded him for hours for a money match afterwards. You probably don't realize/care how annoying that is to have a sore loser chase you around after you beat them begging for some redemption. He might as well have paid you five dollars for you to leave him alone, and I doubt he cares about his loss as much as you care about your "win," especially after he won $200 that day or something.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

Sonic loses to plenty of low tiers...

Ness flat out beats him.

PT if u just switch off charizard will beat him.

Jiggs beats him.

Lucas beats him.

CF beats him.

Mario is even.

Ike is even.

Yoshi loses slightly

I am not sure about bowser, but from the matches ive seen it cant be more than a slight advantadge to either side.

Ganon and samus are the only 2 characters that he genuinely 6:4s in low tiers (Oh and zelda, but shes not a real character so who cares)



Low tiers shouldn't count.

The matches are just tests of safer playstyles and ability to punish. Hence why Ike and Sonic win for the most part.

Its November 09 and people haven't started SDI'ing and counterattacking from Ikes jabs yet. Its clear no1 is putting in any time to learning how to fight AGAINST the characters they are facing...so why make it worth anything?

November 3rd, 2009 and only a handful of people can find a way thru sonic pressing down b....low tiers are a nice side event and a good way to reward low tier mains, but they aren't really serious business.

MK banned tourneys shouldn't count.

The excuse of "I was gonna use MK" can not be given to people based on what they have done previously. Anyone could legitimately be practicing metaknight in their room for this onnnne matchup. We can't excuse everyone who says that....nor can we dismiss people based on if we THINK they are telling the truth.

Unlessssssssssssssssssssssssssss u guys wanna make the rankings more ridiculous and have a listing of everyones potential secret metaknight counterpicks.


Please put me @ the top of the list.

Could choose metaknight against the following characters:

MalcolmM: ICs, Shiek, DDD, Ganon, Jiggs.

Win. Lucas beats him?

 

[Keitaro]

People that think low tiers should count:
Inui

People that think low tiers shouldn't count:
Keitaro
Yes
Chibo
Kai
Ether
Malcolm

Neutral atm:
Eazy

People that think MK banned tournies should count:
Inui
Doom

People that think it shouldn't count:
Keitaro
Kai
Malcolm

Neutral atm:
Eazy
Chibo

Imma keep track of this...

 

[Kaiber Kop]

read the first part of that keitaro

Edit. NP lol

 

[Keitaro]

lol thanks Kai.

 

[Shadow 111]

keitaro made a good point.
inui is like a dictator in NJ. i thought things like what counts for rankings were supposed to be agreed upon by the panelists, not by one guy who thinks he has the "divine right" or some ****. rofl
if the majority of the knowledgeable people in the state think that low tiers and mk tourneys shouldn't count, then they really shouldn't..

 

[Alex Strife]

keitaro made a good point.
inui is like a dictator in NJ. i thought things like what counts for rankings were supposed to be agreed upon by the panelists, not by one guy who thinks he has the "divine right" or some ****. rofl
if the majority of the knowledgeable people in the state think that low tiers and mk tourneys shouldn't count, then they really shouldn't..

yup last time I checked these things had panels for a reason.

I guess someone wants to feel special. We should have a prize at the end of tournaments for people like that. Just have a cute girl pat them on the head and say "you did great cutie hee hee "

 

[BleachigoZX]

Geez... Am I going to have wreck everyone who uses me as an example? (I'm 2-1 with my buddy Zucco. Well assuming $5 MM's count)

(Cept Inui, he knows how to edgeguard Falco...)

 

[daisho]

IDK how much my opinion is worth but...

I think low tier victories should count for what they are. Low tier victories. It isn't the same as winning a regular tournament match or a $5 money match because they have the option to go play other characters (in a $5 MM character locked they still have the option, they just forfeit that option when agreeing to the fight).

If that isn't clear enough what I'm saying is that low tiers should count for less than a full win, but still can be significant.

 

[Alex Strife]

low tiers should not count really. I thought there was a vote that it should only be counted if money was on the line.

 

[daisho]

low tiers should not count really. I thought there was a vote that it should only be counted if money was on the line.

You win money in low tier tournaments too.

 

[Alex Strife]

You win money in low tier tournaments too.

I just said that repetitive much xD

 

[Vex Kasrani]

You have negated your entire post with this utter and complete bull****.

There is no way I can take this seriously. Sonic losing to Jigglypuff is also dumb.

I doubt you're more knowledgibly about Sonic then ****ing Malcolm, so don't act like hes wrong when you honestly don't know and have bias because you think he beats your character. You must keep in mind who he is, his opinion matters more then most people when it comes to Sonic so don't dismiss stuff as Bull****.

No meatriding intended.

Also Keitaro, I don't think Low tiers or MK banned tournaments should count for ranking's at all.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

IDK how much my opinion is worth but...

I think low tier victories should count for what they are. Low tier victories. It isn't the same as winning a regular tournament match or a $5 money match because they have the option to go play other characters (in a $5 MM character locked they still have the option, they just forfeit that option when agreeing to the fight).

If that isn't clear enough what I'm saying is that low tiers should count for less than a full win, but still can be significant.

Umm that would all be great if there were low tier rankings. There aren't.

 

[Alex Strife]

I think a general tri-state low tier ranking would be interesting and it would help to be seperate.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

I think a general tri-state low tier ranking would be interesting and it would help to be seperate.

I actually said this to Inui over AIM a few weeks ago and he said maybe.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Just because a stupid rule doesn't affect me doesn't mean I can't disagree with it or try to change it.

This is a good way of thinking. However, it doesn't hurt ANY of the people that a win in low tiers would count against. It only benefits the person who won. Like you've said, Vex/Inui/etc. all have solid high tier mains that they're completely restricted from using. However, a player that don't use low tiers at all taking a set from your main in a low tier event is pretty good. No way should it count for the same amount as a time you have the option to use Diddy, but what Inui's saying here is that it's still worth SOMETHING. And I agree, somebody who is a good enough player to eliminate your Sonic from brackets without the ability to use their main or with a ****ty character in general is definitely good.

At the same time, I see where you and Keitaro are coming from. There's no way of knowing that Atomsk wouldn't take out his MK against Max if he could, and Kai could be 100% Diddy vs. certain low tiers, etc.

I'm pretty neutral atm. "Low tiers count" isn't what we're getting at here, though...it's more like "beating someone who MAINS a low tier should be counted as an accomplishment regardless of what the tournament is called". And I see nothing wrong with that, so long as it doesn't hurt the person who lost (because not all options were available).

This argument is very hard to side on.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

This is a good way of thinking. However, it doesn't hurt ANY of the people that a win in low tiers would count against. It only benefits the person who won. Like you've said, Vex/Inui/etc. all have solid high tier mains that they're completely restricted from using. However, a player that don't use low tiers at all taking a set from your main in a low tier event is pretty good. No way should it count for the same amount as a time you have the option to use Diddy, but what Inui's saying here is that it's still worth SOMETHING. And I agree, somebody who is a good enough player to eliminate your Sonic from brackets without the ability to use their main or with a ****ty character in general is definitely good.

At the same time, I see where you and Keitaro are coming from. There's no way of knowing that Atomsk wouldn't take out his MK against Max if he could, and Kai could be 100% Diddy vs. certain low tiers, etc.

I'm pretty neutral atm. "Low tiers count" isn't what we're getting at here, though...it's more like "beating someone who MAINS a low tier should be counted as an accomplishment regardless of what the tournament is called". And I see nothing wrong with that, so long as it doesn't hurt the person who lost (because not all options were available).

This argument is very hard to side on.

NO character is ****ty in low tiers except for maybe ganon. Most of them do well and/or beat Sonic. I disagree with Malcolm about Lucas and Jigglypuff though. PT has better matchups against the low tiers than sonic does anyway.

Still worth something? Well then if that would be the case then a value would have to be established even though I don't think it should count at all. If you'll notice, actions are different than words. Everyone who beat a low tier player put their low tier win in there win list for rankings. I did bc I knew it was counting. It was listed as a win, not a low tier win.

Inui has stated several times that he would use MK for IC's. If I use Diddy for PT and Ike why should beating my main(that I dont use for the character) count as an accomplishment? It's all opinionated and suggestive. Normal singles allows all options and should be counted. MM's that are character exclusive and $5 or more are agreements to stay those characters due to matchup confidence or experience.

Low tiers DOES hurt the people that a win would count against. This is all in relation to rankings....if other people are getting wins on you then they are gaining wins for the rankings that we arent.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Inui still said that his loss to Max without MK should count, just for less. I don't know what the value would be. I'd imagine equal to or just a bit less than MMs (Tourney > MM => Low tier)

 

[Kaiber Kop]

Inui still said that his loss to Max without MK should count, just for less. I don't know what the value would be. I'd imagine equal to or just a bit less than MMs (Tourney > MM => Low tier)

I go by actions. I don't think any of it should count but if you're gonna go by it counting why were wins last season in low tiers weighed as wins and not LT wins?

 

[Alex Strife]

I think what Kai is stating is that how would it work. Would the counting less be a % base or a numerical base. We cannot say this counts less without specifying how much less in terms of numerical values. To me its just not logical.


With that being said It should not count towards rankings because if you go just by wins and losses you cannot quantify partial.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

I think what Kai is stating is that how would it work. Would the counting less be a % base or a numerical base. We cannot say this counts less without specifying how much less in terms of numerical values. To me its just not logical.

Well thats something to bring up later if it does get voted for counting at all.

For now, what I'm saying is. People can say they do/do not count/do not count as much. The last time rankings were listed they were counted as "wins", not low tier wins, simple as that.

 

[Max Ketchum]

I go by actions. I don't think any of it should count but if you're gonna go by it counting why were wins last season in low tiers weighed as wins and not LT wins?

I'd say simply because nobody even brought up the concept. It's a good idea.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

I'd say simply because nobody even brought up the concept. It's a good idea.

But if you get into that you get hit with the point of matchups. That is all based on the point of mains. We have seperate mains for a reason. Some do better against some characters than others. If you going to just go on the point of "mains" what would that matter if that isn't the "main" or matchup that would happen with all availible options.

 

[daisho]

I don't think you should have a specific % because all low tier wins are different.

From now on you should just put LT next to whoever you beat in low tiers. If someone beats a player who mains a low tier in low tiers then it would count more than someone beating a player who barely plays a low tier.

Kind of like when BigM beat Orion's diddy. We all knew that Orion's diddy made him not as significant of a win as it would have been otherwise, but it still counted for more than say, his victory over me.