LOL @ you kids complaining.
...I can already tell this is going to be good.
I've been a gamer and a hardcore Nintendo fan for over twenty years... Yeah, they've dropped some steaming piles (Virtual Boy, anyone?), but for the most part, their consoles and games have been about the closest to a 'sure thing' I could expect out of gaming nowadays.
Hey, I actually like the Virtual Boy.
But the Wii is definitely not a "sure thing".
You rooks with your Call of Dutys, your Halos, and your World of Warcrafts (i.e. people who were born after 1995) have NO idea what real, actual honest-to-goodness gameplay feels like. Unless you do the majority of your gaming on DS, you just can't tell me that any of this crap out now is worth anything more than five or six hours of single-player, just to unlock a bunch of crap so you can go online and kill a bunch of racist, homophobic, loud and obnoxious people online.
...You do realize that you just generalized everyone in this thread, then limited it to the people who were born after 1995, therefore making your generalization fail?
Despite not being included in your generalization, I'll respond anyways...
I hate Call of Duty, I find Halo to be mostly generic and boring, I've never played WoW (but I'd love to see you go and tell Azua she's doing it wrong.)
Also, as someone who's clearly a big fan of retro games, I find it funny that you act as if it's impossible to get a hold of retro consoles, pretending as if they're not even an option.
Not to mention, while inferior quality-wise and not my choice, Virtual Console on Wii makes it pretty easy to play those old games.
I do the majority of my gaming on any console before this generation, with an exception made for games like Twilight Princess on Wii (which I still need to get for GameCube) and Mirror's Edge on 360.
Now, I'm starting to rant a bit, but before I go, I want you to all take a breath and appreciate what you have, because if Nintendo ever goes under, then its over for gaming as a whole. Nintendo and its approach to making games (at least with the flagship titles) is something that cannot be replaced. Sony and Microsoft don't give a **** about quality-- they only want fanboyish sheep who will bend over and take it up the butt without any resistance.
/End old man gamer rant
With the way Nintendo is today, I don't see a huge problem with them going under.
You say that Nintendo cares about quality while Sony and Microsoft don't? I'm not going to debate about Sony and Microsoft since I don't care all that much about either of them, but...all Nintendo cares about is making money. As makes sense for them, since they're a business and their ultimate goal is to make money, but that doesn't change what their goal is.
Gaming in general has experienced a definite downturn this generation, with EVERYONE.
Now I'm off to dust off my SNES-- the greatest console ever created. PERIOD.
...Well, at least you got me to agree on one point.
1. He wasn't saying today's games are awful. He was saying today's gamers are awful.
I actually think he was saying both.
You rooks with your Call of Dutys, your Halos, and your World of Warcrafts (i.e. people who were born after 1995) have NO idea what real, actual honest-to-goodness gameplay feels like. Unless you do the majority of your gaming on DS, you just can't tell me that any of this crap out now is worth anything more than five or six hours of single-player, just to unlock a bunch of crap so you can go online and kill a bunch of racist, homophobic, loud and obnoxious people online.
So is 99% of the entire Xbox 360 lineup.
Okay, so we're agreed, all of this generation's consoles suck.
How does this help your argument for Nintendo any?
This is a problem why? What's wrong with casual games? Endless Ocean is THE casual game. Yet I shall play it till the day I die. It is a wonderful piece of gaming art that I will cherish forever.
Secondly, if Call of Duty is considered hard core, then I don't want to be Hard Core. I'll play my 80 level A Boy And His Blob and enjoy true quality.
The problem is if there are ONLY casual games.
And Call of Duty sucks, I agree on that.
I don't think you really read anything about Galaxy 2. Its not directed at the casuals. Its directed at the hard core. Its goal is to be a very difficult game. Secondly, this isn't an expansion pack. This is a new game the same as Super Mario Brothers 1 2 3 and World is. There is no difference here.
Everyone keeps using these games as examples, but you guys do realize that the gameplay changes between those games were actually quite drastic? There's a reason many people dislike SMB2 but love 1/3.
The true test of a systems success with the fans is sales, and Nintendo clearly has that, even if some amazing games don't sell on Wii, but I could point out just as many that don't on Xbox, such as Blazblue. In fact things like that aren't new at all. Ico sold horribly, as did Katamari Damatichi, Okami on the PS2, Psyconauts, the list goes on. Simply because it happens on occasion on a Nintendo consol people point out that it must be Nintendo's fault. This all dates back to a market smear campaign by Sega that claimed the same thing.
It was once claimed that the Wii was rarely paid, well now Wii chanel lets people submit the hours played and Nintendo releases charts of which games are most played each week and we see the opposite. We see that these games are played an equal amount except there being more Wiis more games are being played. Even more, not all 'casual games' fill the list. Brawl is the top of course, and then there are others like Fire Emblem. I'd have to go look at the article on Kotaku again to see it.
We Wii-ers are just fine. We wove ware wii wand ware wii ware.
World of Goo> Xbox 360's Entire line up.
That argument is ineffective in so many ways.
1. SALES MEAN NOTHING. Seriously. All it means is that someone thought a game was going to be good enough to buy it. I bought Brawl, that counts into the sales of Brawl, but I hate the game if it isn't hacked.
2. Finalark is talking about Nintendo fans. 90% of the Wii's sales are coming from the casual gamers.
3. I don't even use the Nintendo Channel because it could pick up Homebrew. I imagine many other hardcore fans who have hacked their Wii to get something out of it do the same.
I was merely pointing out that it is unreasonable to believe that the help guide was not at least part of why NSMB Wii is a more difficult game.
But okay.
If it makes you feel better, okay.