Nice Point Mafia Day 6 (5/8 to Lynch, Deadline: Saturday the 19th at Midnight)

[DtJ Jungle]

Yeah i had in my original post but i didnt feel like doing it again

First I want to start of saying that everytime Swords has been an independent (or as far as i can recall) he's claimed vig. This of course, is a total of two times, but still. One time he did it as a survivor.

Secondly, Claiming vig at L-2 on a day when two people die, especially a yakuza, is sort of..convenient to me? While I know you're hellbent on thinking that OS yakked no one and died by other means we have to consider the possibility that he did yak someone and swords just got Xonar (which i believe you did consider when you wrote out how to out Swords true role). We also have to consider that it doesn't follow the precedent of the Simpsons Mafia game, which for some reason, you wont do. Just because there is precedent for something doesn't mean it will be followed.

That's not that many scenarios I guess (two) but it's two that I don't want to have ot think about closer to endgame with him, especially since I probably can't count on his content getting any better.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Swords claim is obviously a lie FoS Rockin

 

[DtJ Jungle]

EBWOP to the first scenario: swords hit xonar as SK.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Jungle was on my scumlist because his attitude towards SSBF looked conformist to me and didn't look genuine.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Btw you guys should never trust a Boss PR claim when a Yakuza is in the game. Simpsons Mafia says hi.

 

[Kataefi]

Okay MK now that you've claimed can you elaborate on this quote:

My role is beneficial to town and also addresses my actions D1 and the reasoning behind them.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Btw you guys should never trust a Boss PR claim when a Yakuza is in the game. Simpsons Mafia says hi.

Especially before anybody even responded to his responses.

 

[M.K]

Okay MK now that you've claimed can you elaborate on this quote:

Yes.
While I was fairly certain that TPK was scum, I backed off of OS in order to be able to absorb him at night and, essentially, take the chance of being able to hit two scum in the same day. When TPK flipped town, I was almost positive that OS was scum, which is why I continued with my plan. However, I didn't get his powers presumably because, if what Swords says is true, he was killed by the Vig first.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Meta Kirby needs to die. Now.

As far as Swords goes... I'm still uneasy over his lynch, but if it came down to it, I suppose I'd support it over a no-lynch. I'd much rather go Meta Kirby though.

 

[M.K]

Meta Kirby needs to die. Now.

As far as Swords goes... I'm still uneasy over his lynch, but if it came down to it, I suppose I'd support it over a no-lynch. I'd much rather go Meta Kirby though.

Why? I'm town! I've explained my actions, and you're still going to support my lynch with nothing more than the fact that "I need to die"? I'm starting to wonder if you really have a valid reason or if you're just trying to disregard my argument in hopes that you'll round up enough followers to get me lynched.
>_>

 

[Deleted member]

Basically defending myself and some counterattack against SwordsRbroken in #945. He said this as a a response to me:

You realize that in this post you just parroted Nick and Gheb?

I'll use my own quotes in my thoughts about Swords as of that post he quoted to defend myself:

After SwordsRbroken poorly thought out case on Sold2, he has manage to become my top suspect in the game. I honestly do agree to the case pushed against him and will be willing to lynch him.

Add that to Sold2's and Nicholas1024's solid counterattack against you, which I totally agree with and you are deserving of the top spot.

I am honestly not seeing how this is parroting at all. With these quotes, all I was doing was agreeing with Nicholas1024, Gheb 01, and the case on you. You've done that a fair amount of time and I'm not accusing you of parroting because you agree with someone.

@SwordsRbroken: As I said before, you called me out for parroting a lot, but you have done a fair amount of it as well, making you hypocritical.

I said this earlier in Day 2, before Gheb 01 called out you for it. I understand that response to me where you originally placed a vote on me was geared toward my last reponse, but you have been parroting a lot, which you have failed to acknowledge.

You contradicted yourself in your case against Sold2 as well. You said that long posts were beneficial, but you've only done a few of them so far.

Neither Gheb nor Nicholas1024 brought this up. As a matter of fact, I was the very first person to spot the contradiction. Most of your posts have been relatively small and there are some posts that could have been grouped up with other posts.

And before calling me a hypocrite because I was posting fluff, parroting, and my original Day 2 response toward Mentosman8, I completely acknowlege that I have been guilty of producing fluffs and parroting other people. As for the latter, that was not an attempt to make a case against Mentosman8 at all.

I'm kind of shocked that SwordsRbroken called this a parrot. What I was doing was admitting that I have commited some scum tells and telling people I wasn't really making a case on Mentosman8.

Oh and there's one more thing I need to add before going to bed. You accuse Sold2 of following bandwagons. This is also hypocritical because you were following The Paprika Killer's lynch bandwagon as well and it was more obvious then what Sold2 is doing to you.

I have seen no one called you out for band wagoning other people yet. Where has someone else done this?

SwordsRbroken, show me solid evidence that I can believe that my post was a complete parrot of Gheb 01 and Nicholas1024.

 

[Clownbot]

MK, what do you think of Swords? Swords, MK?

 

[Deleted member]

I want to look at Swords's claim a bit. Here is the quote (#945, the same post where he accused me of parroting Nicholas and Gheb):

I'll claim, seeing that i'm at L-2. I'm Vegeta, the town Vigilante. I didn't see Cello's post on suggesting that OS got vigged/ SK'ed, so i posted that tidibit. N1 i killed OS, who was my primary suspect at the time. I also trained N1.

The claim is believeable, but what makes it interesting is the bolded part. If SwordsRbroken claim isn't a safeclaim, then Overswarm was not able to yak anyone. This is starting to make me feel that Cello Marl is actually town. Meta-Kirby said he was almost positive that one of them must be the scums. With Overswarm flipping scum, he was revealed as a Yakuza. Cello Marl was my top lynch candidate because of this for a long time. Eventually, he did start to improve and manage to drop from my top lynch candidate spot. If Meta-Kirby is right about Cello and Overswarm being different alignment, then because of Swords's claim and Overswarm flipping scum, Cello is most likely a town. Sure we shouldn't rule out all possibility of him being scum, as I didn't like some of his past actions, but it is enough to remove Cello from my scum list atm.

I am answering Sold2's question on why I like the case on Meta-Kirby.

I was slightly suspicious of him after his outlandish post where he said that nobody was actually scum hunting. He did admit to his mistake and made a brief revival.

Shortly after his outlandish post, he made an analysis. He denoted his four suspects at the time, me, Xonar (Who has fliped town), Cello Marl, and Overswarm. However, he never explained why Overswarm was suspicous. Instead, most of his posts were directed toward me, with Cello Marl being a side in Day 2 (He did mention Xonar a few times in responses to me, but no real direct response to Xonar).

Let's refer back to Meta-Kirby's list. Since Overswarm flipped strong, I notice a considerable connection between him and Meta-Kirby. As a matter of fact, Meta-Kirby's only rebuttal against Overswarm was a "Why?" response (Litterally). As a matter of fact, Meta-Kirby even agreed with Overswarm in a few instance.

Early in Day 2, he said in a response that because Overswarm wasn't as suspcious as the others, he didn't need to persude Overswarm. I wasn't even asking for him to persude him really. All I wanted was for him to explain why he found Overswarm suspicious.

Now this is where Swords's claim can also be useful. In his list of Day 1 suspects, Meta-Kirby mentioned that he was almost positive that Cello Marl and Overswarm were different alignment. Overswarm flipped scum, which already made Meta-Kirby look bad in my eyes. He looks even worse now, because if Swords's claim is correct, Overswarm did not yak anyone. I was admit to saying that Cello Marl might have gotten yakked a few times, but that claim is now unvertifiable since Overswarm was not able to yak anyone. Since it increase the possiiblity of Cello being town, it also increases Meta-Kirby's chances of being scum, since he was also suggesting that Cello might have been yakked by Overswarm.

All in all, Meta-Kirby is looking pretty suspicious to me now. As a matter of fact, he's actually not that far away from being my top suspect. I'm still happy with my vote on SwordsRbroken (Even thought his claim did make him a little less suspicious), but if SwordsRbroken can successfully refute my counter-response against him in #971 or if Meta-Kirby looks to get lynched instead of Swords, I won't mind placing a vote on him.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Why? I'm town! I've explained my actions, and you're still going to support my lynch with nothing more than the fact that "I need to die"? I'm starting to wonder if you really have a valid reason or if you're just trying to disregard my argument in hopes that you'll round up enough followers to get me lynched.
>_>

Explained your actions? Hardly. Look back a few pages, I already outlined why you need to be lynched. This feels a lot like ATE to me.

 

[M.K]

Explained your actions? Hardly. Look back a few pages, I already outlined why you need to be lynched. This feels a lot like ATE to me.

Yes, I've looked back at your argument several times to check if I've addressed everything.
Which I have! Call it AtE, it really doesn't matter. If I'm lynched, players, you're just going to see Nich here^^ and Celloscum run this game like Marshy and Kevin did in Scum Wars Mafia. Even if he wasn't yakked, then he's scum from D1. You're going to end up their ***** lol.
Don't let them lynch town. You're just talking out of your *** now waiting for enough votes to be cast on me to lynch me. It's crazy that it works, but hey, you're dealing with a bunch of people who only like to chime in when they feel safe enough to interject (Kat? Rockin? Yeahhhhh.)

 

[M.K]

MK, what do you think of Swords? Swords, MK?

He's definitely done a poorer job at countering arguments then I have. In fact, the validity of his claim certainly doesn't match the shoddiness of his arguments in reply before the claim. He's a better lynch candidate than I.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Yes, I've looked back at your argument several times to check if I've addressed everything.
Which I have! Call it AtE, it really doesn't matter. If I'm lynched, players, you're just going to see Nich here^^ and Celloscum run this game like Marshy and Kevin did in Scum Wars Mafia. Even if he wasn't yakked, then he's scum from D1. You're going to end up their ***** lol.
Don't let them lynch town. You're just talking out of your *** now waiting for enough votes to be cast on me to lynch me. It's crazy that it works, but hey, you're dealing with a bunch of people who only like to chime in when they feel safe enough to interject (Kat? Rockin? Yeahhhhh.)

Apparently you missed the second post I made where I pointed out the flaws in your defense. It was post #914, I suggest you look at it. And, townies can run games too, just look at Cellotown in Tree stump.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

After SwordsRbroken poorly thought out case on Sold2, he has manage to become my top suspect in the game. I honestly do agree to the case pushed against him and will be willing to lynch him.

You parroted Nick here. Look at this post.

Your whole "case" on SSBF is complete garbage. Nobody in this game has posted less substance and more useless stuff than you and yet you still push SSBF for exactly that reason? Since when are people claiming at L-3? Since when is nudging a player for that reason pro-town? Your explanation on parroting / agreeing are pure, unfiltered crap as well and are basically tailored excuses for your own parroting.

Like what have you ever done except tunneling the easiest target on the field? Like who loves to do that? You guessed it - scum!



Jungle is officially off my scumlist for now.

As for gheb, you FoSed Rockin because he believed my claim? That is bad play.

Jungle, the one time i claimed Vig, i didn't see Pierre's post in PW mafia.

Cello, i will probably shoot Jungle toNight.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Oh yeah and uh, jungle? I've only been indy once.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Yeah i realized that after. It was Nick who did that in TSM, not you.

 

[Kataefi]

wat?
vote: MK =D lynch him

I saw no scumhunting or analysis on PK D1 in relation to swarm so I don't understand how you managed to work out swarm was scum from PK flipping town ?.? enlighten me plz. #702 - is this the only time you reference PK D1? You publicly mentioned your suspects being ssbf/cello/xonar with swarm as a side lynch unless I'm mistaken - at what point did PK overtake swarm? You claimed his 'atittude' was enough to get rid of him, yet I don't understand how his attitude alone would have had any bearing on your thoughts on swarm for you to suddenly think swarm was scum.

If you can show me some insight into your thoughts D/N1 then I might reconsider but atm I don't see how your claim justifies your actions - especially considering you pursued ssbf to a much greater extent and found cello scummier than swarm - so why didn't you use your ability on them instead? tell me tell me tell me

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Also, are you only shooting me because Cello told you to? You haven't said anything about me before then

 

[Kataefi]

also gheb - jungle's response looked conformist? in what way?

 

[Clownbot]

Swords, I asked you what you thought of MK.

 

[M.K]

wat?
vote: MK =D lynch him

If you can show me some insight into your thoughts D/N1 then I might reconsider but atm I don't see how your claim justifies your actions - especially considering you pursued ssbf to a much greater extent and found cello scummier than swarm - so why didn't you use your ability on them instead? tell me tell me tell me

My lynch choice with TPK was a mistake and I'll be the first to admit that. I backed off showing public suspicion on OS (as you can see, I placed him in the "Lynch, but not preferrably" sort of topic in my suspicion topic) because I wanted to target him for my night action. I absorb powers, and I was absolutely positive he was some type of power role. Night 1, I targeted Overswarm.
SSBF is dumb, okay? He plays dumb all the time and it was a decision between the two for the Night action. I wasn't going to risk getting a non-power role when I had such a strong suspicion that OS was a power role, and thus, should be targetted.
I am still suspicious of Cello, but there were only so many people I can target in one night: One. Publically, I was alot more gung-ho for Cello over OS than I was privately. I reduced my suspicions on him so that he'd avoid the lynch so I could take his power N1. That post from OS that I quoted a few posts back really hit me as scummy, and I swear on this game, it's a hidden message.
I SWEAR.
It was sneaky, coniving, but I was sure.
See, In Smash Bros. Mafia I learned that if I didn't pursue my own personal hunches, I'd let people fall through the cracks. D3 I suspected ChibiCat, but I figured that nobody would be up for his lynch because he was viewed in this "shining light" through the game. A.k.a, everyone was looking forward to his insight and really took into consideration his point. I disregarded my own suspicion only to find out that he was scum at the end, and the moderator suggested that I pursue my own suspicions harder. Ever since, I've done so; and it saddens me that when I do, it's hard for people to take them into consideration. I find alot of "nos" and "that can't happens", but sometimes it does, and I don't just have this suspicion to be different or hostile; theres GOTTA be something there.

 

[Deleted member]

@SwordsRbroken: Question, why do you want to kill Junglefever Night 2? He's been pretty pro-town Day 2 IMO.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Yes, I've looked back at your argument several times to check if I've addressed everything.
Which I have! Call it AtE, it really doesn't matter. If I'm lynched, players, you're just going to see Nich here^^ and Celloscum run this game like Marshy and Kevin did in Scum Wars Mafia. Even if he wasn't yakked, then he's scum from D1. You're going to end up their ***** lol.
Don't let them lynch town. You're just talking out of your *** now waiting for enough votes to be cast on me to lynch me. It's crazy that it works, but hey, you're dealing with a bunch of people who only like to chime in when they feel safe enough to interject (Kat? Rockin? Yeahhhhh.)

Why are you not willing to let go of Cello being yakked?

Clownbot, MK can die at this point. He won't stop tunneling on Cello.


Vote: MK

SSBF, I'll post some tomorrow on Jungle.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Yeah i realized that after. It was Nick who did that in TSM, not you.

Tree stump mafia? What? Explain further please.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Grah confusion

Test Subject. After you were lynched as scum, we lynched Nick the next day, who claimed to be a modified vig or something of that nature.

 

[M.K]

Why are you not willing to let go of Cello being yakked?

Clownbot, MK can die at this point. He won't stop tunneling on Cello.


Vote: MK

SSBF, I'll post some tomorrow on Jungle.

I'm not. Gave up when you said you killed him. Stop puttin' words in my mouth.
I'm sure he's scum from the start now, at least.

 

[Xiivi]

Day 2 Vote Count 3
(5) swordsrbroken: Jungle, Clown, Gheb, Sold, SSBF
(5) meta-kirby: Cello, Nick, Rockin, Kataefi, Swords
(0) super smash bros. fan:
(0) cello_marl:
(0) gheb:
(0) mentosman8:
(0) Jungle:
(0) nicholas1024:
(0) clownbot:
(0) rockin:
(0) kataefi:
(0) sold2:

Not Voting: Mentos, Meta

7/12 to Lynch

Deadline May 23rd, 11:59 P.M.

 

[DtJ S2n]

I'm still good with Swords being lynched. You've yet to truly defend yourself, and instead made OMGUS's on both me and SSBF, and wagon on MetaKirby to take away attention from yourself. The claim doesn't excuse your poor play, especially when you could be a SK, yak'd vig, or although unlikely, a mafia safeclaim.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I wasn't going to risk getting a non-power role when I had such a strong suspicion that OS was a power role, and thus, should be targetted.

You knew that I was a claimed power role; Bulletproof. Why would you target someone that you merely had a strong suspicion of over someone that you thought was scum and could prove me as a liar or as telling the truth and eliminate me as a suspect? You wouldn't even need to come forward.

It's much more likely that you targeted OS, your scumbuddy, so that scum would have two Yakuza roles and you wouldn't be called out as a liar by any trackers that targeted you. That makes OS's lack of yakking make sense, if his death would have prevented you from taking his ability.

Asking for the second time, what, if any, questions have you asked Ronike about your role?

Something else. Anyone that's voting for SRB when MK gets lynched toDay is going to die (except SSBF). I'm going to make sure of that, so I'd recommend that you take your votes off now. In any case, we'll just take this to a No Lynch if need be, and SRB can shoot MK. Don't make us do that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

also gheb - jungle's response looked conformist? in what way?

The way he hopped SSBF was conformist.

Can we please lynch swords? A claimed Vig in a game with a Yakuza just screams "safeclaim" to me. That's a total no-brainer and I don't want to deal with WIFOM muck toMorrow either.

Nick, has the possibility that Swords could simpy be lying about his claim even crossed your mind? You blindly assume that he's either SK or Vig but I have no idea why you'd think so. Plenty of other options and Swords play IS scummy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Anyone that's voting for SRB when MK gets lynched toDay is going to die (except SSBF). I'm going to make sure of that, so I'd recommend that you take your votes off now. In any case, we'll just take this to a No Lynch if need be, and SRB can shoot MK. Don't make us do that.

Wrong wrong wrong Swords claim is a lie.

Don't trust any claims when we have a confirmed Yakuza ughghghgh.

 

[Deleted member]

@Kataefi: Okay, thanks for clarifying that up. Now I can answer it:

Before giving Overswarm a slightly scummy read near the end of the day, there was things about Overswarm that I reallly did disagree with calling scummy. IMO at the time, he was actually playing pretty well. The reason why I didn't do this to others is because I didn' have nearly as much problems with people's points against them, some of them were already nullified by the person being attacked.

Yeah, I need to stop buddying people.

@Cello Marl: I remember you saying very early in Day 1 that under no circumstances that a Town Vegeta should claim. Why didn't you want a Town Vegata to claim?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Gheb

Swords wanted Overswarm dead D1. There is no way Swords-mafia would try to bus a Yak-scumbuddy D1. Also, out of all people, do you really think OS would have yakked Swords? Also, have you noticed that Meta-kirby has yet to reply to my #914, but still claiming he's "defended everything". I even referred him to it again with #977, and despite posting since then, he still hasn't responded to it.

 

[Kataefi]

@MK - you never answered how PK's flip made you certain of Swarm's [scum]alignment. Could you address this? (especially now that PK was a mistake to begin with)

Also link me to that post by swarm please - the one with the hidden message.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@SSBF: In Scum Wars, Darth Vader had the ability to recruit Luke to the Imperial mafia side, but he didn't know Luke's identity. I thought it was possible that Babidi recruited in the same manner with Vegeta, who was the only person recruited during the course of the series.

Actually, thinking about that, OS's flip specifically stated "mafia" rather than Majin team or something like that. That makes me think that if we're dealing with any other anti-town roles, it's probably 3rd-party instead of a second mafia.

Also, at some point, we'll be lynching SRB. Does it really matter if it's now or later? If not, will you join us in our lynch of MK?

@Gheb: Nick's points are good, but once again, what does it matter since we'll be lynching Swords later? If it makes you feel better, we'll lynch him toMorrow if his proclaimed target doesn't die, ok?

@Swords: On second thought, even though I still find Jungle to be scummier, I think it's best if you shoot Mentos instead. I need you alive in endgame to safely out any anti-town third party players, and if you target Mentos I think the mafia will let you live to carry it out, since killing you now while you're targeting a townie would give them no benefit. We can't rely on any doctors to save you, although if a doctor outs himself saying he'll protect you, then shoot Jungle.

@All: I still need to borrow a Dragon Ball. I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a Dragon Ball toDay.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I'm still good with Swords being lynched. You've yet to truly defend yourself, and instead made OMGUS's on both me and SSBF, and wagon on MetaKirby to take away attention from yourself. The claim doesn't excuse your poor play, especially when you could be a SK, yak'd vig, or although unlikely, a mafia safeclaim.

Lol, how did i make an OMGUS on SSBF? I was voting him before he even was suspicious of me. And the wagon on MK is actually one of the more popular lynches today, so you don't have anything on me there either.

Gheb, will you stop tunneling? If you want to lynch me then fine, but stop saying ZOMG LYNCH SWORDS NOW! Bring something else to the table rather than saying swords claim is a lie! Lynch him!

Cello, right now, i'm not sure who to shoot. Mentos really hasn't said much aside from defending himself since Xonar kicked the bucket. And i have no dragonballz.

@all if i survive until N2, who should i shoot?

@Mentos Who is scum?