Nice Point Mafia Day 6 (5/8 to Lynch, Deadline: Saturday the 19th at Midnight)

[~ Gheb ~]

No need to make a case on anybody. Let's lynch Swords and we work from there.

 

[DtJ S2n]

SSBF, I'd like to hear why you like them, particularly the Meta-Kirby case.

I'm going to agree with Gheb here and Vote: SwordsRBroken.
I definitely don't feel good about him and would like to see what he has to say. He's been pushing easy lynches, coasting through with little input and obvious parroting since D1, and we've been too distracted by game mechanics and bigger suspects to pressure him before.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I'm uneasy about Swords. On the one hand he hasn't given us a whole lot to work with, on the other hand Overswarm was his top target (or nearly so, I think he was divided between OS and TPK) D1. I'd much rather go for Meta-kirby.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Bah, you all started before I got here. I hate Ryker for getting replaced.

Rockin's so right lol. Don't talk about what characters could be what role, SSBF (and everyone else, for that matter). Some may have post restrictions or maybe will have to character claim later on and we don't want to tell mafia who to kill obviously. Or mafia detective who only got character names could exist... and you get the point.

@Cello. I was under the impression that we had a 100% chance to get a dragonball if we went to search for one. I was thinking that the real challenge of collecting all 7 is getting the other dragonballs from the other players. I think we should get a solid understanding of the game mechanics before we make plans for our night actions/training/etc.

@OS, I hope that when you explain later, you explain why you believe Cello is scum because of his plan, and not just why you think his plan is flawed. You seem VERY confident in yourself and I can't see it personally. Very odd, imo. Also I lol'd at ball-cop.

Here Sold 2 agrees with Rockin and gives his asked opinion on the DB search.

Oh no, I'm completely willing to do that. It's difficult, maybe impossible, for a human to keep that much information sketched in the forefront of their mind though. Many people lose track of what they're trying to say when posts get too big. Another thing I hate so much about big posts is that it makes people feel someone is more correct or more town just because they wrote a big post. Am I allowed to quote posts from another mafia game to get my point across?

Sounds like you're trying to poison my well(discredit anything I say in the future), so to speak.

What is wrong with large posts if they contribute a heck of a lot? Explain.

I agree Overswarm's post wasn't that big, Hilt. But think of it this way.... he was just telling Cello he was wrong. What if Overswarm tries to launch a full out assualt on someone day 4 or something? It would stretch all the way into next week, god dangit!

Just to emphasize my point.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8974886&postcount=281
from Newbie 3. Ronike explains very nicely here. I'd also like to point out that I was the scum in this game, and I almost got FrozenFlame, the strongest town player there imo, quick lynched by milking these arguments that nobody could follow.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10101800&postcount=1587
from Unintended Consequences. Scamp was indy here but we agreed with Scamp about this, so it doesn't matter lol. Mushy brains!

Again, why is posting a long post scummy? I could understand if it was long post filled with fluff, but why do you not exclude the long post with substance?

D1 and we already have an odd claim... May I ask why exactly you claimed so unpressured, Cello?
I hate OS for making that ball-cop joke. Can't stop lol'ing at Cello now.

I'm digesting the plan. Still wish we knew more about game mechanics before we did it... but the earlier the better sounds like a right idea.

Fluff. Why do we need to know more of the game mechanics than is already known?

I don't like the SSBF lynch. I think he's been doing the wrong things, but he's had good intentions, imo. I'd like to think that if he was really scum, that his partners would tell him to stop doing stupid things like making lists at the very least =/. Cello, I think you're looking too hard into SSBF, using shaky reasoning like buddying mentos in a different game, which Mentos was getting frustrated with at that time, from what I understand.

Sorry I couldn't say much, but I just wanted to say that. I gotta go for now, playing Brawl minus at a friends house. I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

Here he defends SSBF. And your idea about him being advised like that is WIFOMey. SSBF didn't play well in Smash Bros mafia and he was advised by Chibicat and TPK. (SSBF was scum)

SSBF is always contributing his opinion and letting others know what he's thinking. I don't think he's lied yet either. Example, he makes a list of his opinions on everyone at two different points. As town, he thinks he's helping by telling his view on players. If he was scum, what would he have to gain by doing this? I can't think of a reason SSBF would do this other than trying to help.

That's what I was thinking, but if SSBF's play is exactly the same as scum like MK and Clownbot suggest, I guess my thoughts are backless here and I need to reevaluate.

More defense of SSBF.

Pretty sure SSBF is town with that claim. Babidi is already revealed to be a scum, so I'd guess that the scum are villains, and If OS did yak someone, I really doubt he would've yak'd SSBF.

Cello, what did you mean by "trapping mentos to get a ball"? I thought it had something to do with why you couldn't search but I apparently misunderstood.

Once again, OS yaking SSBF is too WIFOMey.

SSBF, I'd like to hear why you like them, particularly the Meta-Kirby case.

I'm going to agree with Gheb here and Vote: SwordsRBroken.
I definitely don't feel good about him and would like to see what he has to say. He's been pushing easy lynches, coasting through with little input and obvious parroting since D1, and we've been too distracted by game mechanics and bigger suspects to pressure him before.

Parrot of Gheb.

Now he goes with what seems to be the popular wagon. Jungle, Clownbot, and then Gheb voted me. Now Sold. Reeks of bandwagoning.

So thus far you have basically been discussing game mechanics and WIFOM crap. And now you are hopping on what looks to be the easiest lynch.

Vote: Sold2

@Clown Why should i have to name more than one person? Just out of curiosity. Why?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Ugh. I really don't think I need to point out why Swords just rose a fair bit on my scumlist... No defense, just a counterattack that reeks of Oh-my-gosh-you-suck and isn't even completely correct. Thing is though, I really don't think scum-swords would try to bus OS like that D1. I'm beginning to feel he might be indy here.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Your whole "case" on SSBF is complete garbage. Nobody in this game has posted less substance and more useless stuff than you and yet you still push SSBF for exactly that reason? Since when are people claiming at L-3? Since when is nudging a player for that reason pro-town? Your explanation on parroting / agreeing are pure, unfiltered crap as well and are basically tailored excuses for your own parroting.

Like what have you ever done except tunneling the easiest target on the field? Like who loves to do that? You guessed it - scum!

He asked if would we lynch him before he claimed? I said if he felt the need to claim so badly then he should have claimed then if he was afraid of being quicklynched so much. He claimed in his very next post, when he was at L-1. I do not see how that is nudging him, when two more votes were put on him before his next post.

And you calling the parroting / agreeing stuff crap doesn't exactly do anything more for your case. Jungle was the one who asked me those questions...for no apparent reason.

Jungle is officially off my scumlist for now.

Why was he on your scumlist in the first place?

 

[Clownbot]

I wanted you to name more than one person because at the time I figured you'd just ride the MK wagon but apparently you seem to be finding Sold suspicious now.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Here Sold 2 agrees with Rockin and gives his asked opinion on the DB search.

Okay. I agree with someone, and I answer what was asked of me. I don't see the problem?

What is wrong with large posts if they contribute a heck of a lot? Explain.

Again, why is posting a long post scummy? I could understand if it was long post filled with fluff, but why do you not exclude the long post with substance?

Oh wow this is the post you just quoted. Long posts arn't strictly scum tells, but I did say they hurt town. Read both of the examples I gave you in the very post you quoted.

Newbie3- Me as scum, riding on Cello's mass confusion, almost got the most townie player in the game quicklynched. Self-explanatory why this hurt town.

Unintended Consequences- confusion from Evil Eye's huge attack on Virg pulled most of the attention away from Scamp, who was the remaining Indy, wasted a lot of time, and caused us to no lynch, letting Scamp live another day. If Scamp didn't mess up his nKill the following night, he could have definitely won from this.

Fluff. Why do we need to know more of the game mechanics than is already known?

Are you saying it's a bad thing to know more about the game mechanics? I simply didn't want to risk oh so much to Cello's plan if something unexpected were to happen. If we had followed Cello's plan, we would have been putting a majority of our discussion during Day phase into organizing it, and would be completely unable to train because of the martial law idea. Wouldn't it be fun if we wasted all that time/potential power because something he didn't account for made his plan worthless?

Here he defends SSBF. And your idea about him being advised like that is WIFOMey. SSBF didn't play well in Smash Bros mafia and he was advised by Chibicat and TPK. (SSBF was scum)

Because I felt SSBF was town, and everyone, especially Cello, seemed bent on lynching SSBF. SSBF's own defending clearly wasn't doing much, so I felt the need to voice my opinion. I didn't know about his Smash Bros mafia play at the time, so I had assumed there would be a notable difference in his town/scum play, such as not feeling the need to tell everyone his every thought.

More defense of SSBF.

Kataefi had asked me for further explanation. It's rude not to respond, you know =/.

Once again, OS yaking SSBF is too WIFOMey

Yeah it's a possibility, but I still really doubt OS would Yak SSBF. Honestly, how likely do you think it is that SSBF was Yak'd? Then there's the chance OS didn't even Yak last night and was just nKilled.

Parrot of Gheb.

Now he goes with what seems to be the popular wagon. Jungle, Clownbot, and then Gheb voted me. Now Sold. Reeks of bandwagoning.

Not only do I trust Hilt(Gheb), but those are honestly my thoughts on you. I'm voting you, or as you put it "bandwagoning" you, because I think you're scum.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Why haven't we lynched MK for pushing Yakuza scares when the only SWF precedent wouldn't have allowed the scenario that claims to believe?

 

[Clownbot]

I don't see MK discussing the Yakuza in any of his more recent posts... Could you point me to what you're talking about, Cello?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Wouldn't it be fun if we wasted all that time/potential power because something he didn't account for made his plan worthless?

The "something that I didn't account for" was a rules change that I wasn't aware of, and couldn't have unless I read the OP every day (or at least, that day). You've been making false or mistaken statements like this about me quite a few times. For example, I've never played on AiB, but you claimed you watched a game that I had played there, citing that among the reasons for knowing me better than Xonar. Why have you been doing that?

 

[DtJ S2n]

Oh my bad. I thought you had played in the Captain Planet game I hosted on AIB, but on second check, you weren't. I suppose I confused you with SRBlast, based on how he played that game, but w/e. Simple mistake.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Clownbot: The end of Post #913 has him talking about why he's suspicious of me, specifically that he believes I was the yak target if there was one. That was only 18 posts ago.

Earlier, in #848, he says "Also, why has nobody attempted to trace connection from Xonar? It's more likely that he was the one killed by scum than OS (almost 100% guaranteed)." Like I said, he wants us to believe that mafia are responsible for both actions, but there's no precedent for that except Mentos saying he saw it happen that way...on other sites. But, that was in #832. Earlier in #796, MK started asking me "Cello, what are you exactly again? Town or Scum?", which ultimately led to him saying he thought I was the "most likely yak target for OS". Before Mentos said anything about that at all. How did he come to that conclusion? Yakuza isn't listed as a role on MafiaScum.

 

[Deleted member]

@Sold2: I'll answer your question on SwordsRbroken right now.

After SwordsRbroken poorly thought out case on Sold2, he has manage to become my top suspect in the game. I honestly do agree to the case pushed against him and will be willing to lynch him.

@SwordsRbroken: As I said before, you called me out for parroting a lot, but you have done a fair amount of it as well, making you hypocritical.

You contradicted yourself in your case against Sold2 as well. You said that long posts were beneficial, but you've only done a few of them so far.

Add that to Sold2's and Nicholas1024's solid counterattack against you, which I totally agree with and you are deserving of the top spot.

And before calling me a hypocrite because I was posting fluff, parroting, and my original Day 2 response toward Mentosman8, I completely acknowlege that I have been guilty of producing fluffs and parroting other people. As for the latter, that was not an attempt to make a case against Mentosman8 at all.

Oh and there's one more thing I need to add before going to bed. You accuse Sold2 of following bandwagons. This is also hypocritical because you were following The Paprika Killer's lynch bandwagon as well and it was more obvious then what Sold2 is doing to you.

Unvote, Vote: SwordsRbroken

 

[M.K]

Why haven't we lynched MK for pushing Yakuza scares when the only SWF precedent wouldn't have allowed the scenario that claims to believe?

Wait, what? O_O I don't understand what you're trying to say here . What precedent, and why wouldn't said precedent allow my scenario to take place?

 

[DtJ S2n]

SSBF, I'd still like to hear your opinion on the MK case, why you liked it.

 

[M.K]

It was like...the post directly after D2 started that mentos defined yakking. >_>

 

[Clownbot]

Is MK talking about who was potentially yakked your only reason for wanting him lynched, Cello...?

I'm more concerned that you're uncomfortable with him discussing a possible target when you're the one he said was most likely...

Also, he asked you that question after Mentos explained the Yakuza role (maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but if I'm correct you were assuming otherwise).

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Meta-Kirby: You said you firmly believe that Xonar was the mafia NK, yet you keep promoting yakuza conversions. The only other time Yakuza has been used on SWF that I am aware of was in Simpsons mafia, where the mafia had to forgo their NK to use that ability.

Mentos didn't talk about how they have to give up their kill for it to function.

 

[M.K]

And yet why are you so concerned that I have more than one theory of how this all went down? How do you know that the night kill couldn't have possibly STILL been carried out, because in my eyes, the yakuza isn't exactly a COMPLETELY beneficial role to Mafia. Trading an eye for an eye.
I wasn't around for Simpsons Mafia, I'm just going off possibilities. I assumed that the Mafia killed Xonar and OS yakked independently of the NK , and this is just my theory, so why are you calling this scummy?
You're way too bent out of shape about hushing yakking/NK discussion.

 

[Cello_Marl]

the yakuza isn't exactly a COMPLETELY beneficial role to Mafia

...what? Are you serious?

I wasn't around for Simpsons Mafia, I'm just going off possibilities.

You weren't, but that shouldn't have stopped you from reading when I brought up that's how it worked there. You didn't even consider it as possible; you just kept on truckin' with your own view.

I assumed that the Mafia killed Xonar and OS yakked independently of the NK , and this is just my theory, so why are you calling this scummy?

Because it's totally ineffective. We can learn more about potential yakuza targets by hunting for people that are genuinely scummy and have always been scummy. That's better than witch-hunting "the most likely yak targets" without any real information.

Further, we can semi-confirm the point that no one was actually yakked when he hit all three mafia and Night Kills stop. Even if someone tried to conceal that fact by going "No Night Kill", how does hunting for someone that we don't suspect to be aligned with the mafia differ from any indy hunting? Personally, I'd prefer that, since we would control every death and allow for victory even with poor play.

 

[M.K]

...what? Are you serious?



You weren't, but that shouldn't have stopped you from reading when I brought up that's how it worked there. You didn't even consider it as possible; you just kept on truckin' with your own view.



Because it's totally ineffective. We can learn more about potential yakuza targets by hunting for people that are genuinely scummy and have always been scummy. That's better than witch-hunting "the most likely yak targets" without any real information.

Further, we can semi-confirm the point that no one was actually yakked when he hit all three mafia and Night Kills stop. Even if someone tried to conceal that fact by going "No Night Kill", how does hunting for someone that we don't suspect to be aligned with the mafia differ from any indy hunting? Personally, I'd prefer that, since we would control every death and allow for victory even with poor play.

(just going in order of paragraph/point)


1) Not as beneficial as some other roles. You're sacrificing a player for another player. It doesn't increase the number of Mafia in terms of numbers, and it's a risky move.

2) I saw that you referred to the role in that game and how they had to sacrifice their NK, and I respect that, but we clearly have TWO killed; Mafia that yakked, and Town that died SOMEHOW. It's my belief that they got both last night. You can tell me that it's wrong all you want, it's still going to be my opinion.
And lol at the fact that I'm holding my position and that's somehow bad. You're doing the exact same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum, so congraulations, we're both headstrong people.
And I never said I wanted to focus explicitly on the yak target. Yes It's been my primary focus in my theories, but it's not the only facet of the game and I know that. I'm perfectly willing to hunt for the D1 scum instead of the yakked scum.

3) So, you're saying that it's ineffective to search for people who might not have mafia D1 and could be mafia D2? Why are you limiting the search parameters? Yes, I know that it makes the investigation become more focus, but I have this urking feeling that when we do that, that yakked Mafia member is going to scoot right by our feet at the end. >.<

 

[Cello_Marl]

I saw that you referred to the role in that game and how they had to sacrifice their NK, and I respect that, but we clearly have TWO killed; Mafia that yakked, and Town that died SOMEHOW.

I've never seen a 15+ person game with a single kill or kill-like action (such as abduction, something that we would be clearly aware of) on SWF. There is a vigilante-like or SK-like. If there continue to be two deaths per Night, we'll know that for sure.

You're doing the exact same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum, so congraulations, we're both headstrong people.

Except that that is not the case. I certainly am open to the possibility that OS yakked someone; a possibility that will become readily apparent once we've lynched his scummates, or be refuted when we've destroyed the faction. In your case, we'd keep searching for a theoretical yakuza target. Until we destroy ourselves.

Think about what witch-hunting for a theoretical yakuza target now does. Having "unlimited search parameters", so to speak. That would expand the potential scum to...everyone. It's unlimited. What better way is there for scum to fly under the radar than to go back to effectively Day 1? "Limiting our search parameters" really means using information from Day 1. You want to ignore it. So, yes, I do find that scummy.

I have already explained this to you. But, you still persist in following your misguided beliefs, and pushing it on us.

Yes It's been my primary focus in my theories, but it's not the only facet of the game and I know that. I'm perfectly willing to hunt for the D1 scum instead of the yakked scum.

Why does this sound more like a concession than conviction? You had plenty of suspects D1. Then again, of those two are semi-confirmed or confirmed town (SSBF and Xonar), one was the yakuza, and one you can't make up your mind as to when and why you find him scummy (me).

@Clownbot: If it's enough, then it's enough.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Request Votecount

 

[SwordsRbroken]

@Sold2: I'll answer your question on SwordsRbroken right now.

After SwordsRbroken poorly thought out case on Sold2, he has manage to become my top suspect in the game. I honestly do agree to the case pushed against him and will be willing to lynch him.

@SwordsRbroken: As I said before, you called me out for parroting a lot, but you have done a fair amount of it as well, making you hypocritical.

You contradicted yourself in your case against Sold2 as well. You said that long posts were beneficial, but you've only done a few of them so far.

Add that to Sold2's and Nicholas1024's solid counterattack against you, which I totally agree with and you are deserving of the top spot.

And before calling me a hypocrite because I was posting fluff, parroting, and my original Day 2 response toward Mentosman8, I completely acknowlege that I have been guilty of producing fluffs and parroting other people. As for the latter, that was not an attempt to make a case against Mentosman8 at all.

Oh and there's one more thing I need to add before going to bed. You accuse Sold2 of following bandwagons. This is also hypocritical because you were following The Paprika Killer's lynch bandwagon as well and it was more obvious then what Sold2 is doing to you.

Unvote, Vote: SwordsRbroken

You realize that in this post you just parroted Nick and Gheb?

I'll claim, seeing that i'm at L-2. I'm Vegeta, the town Vigilante. I didn't see Cello's post on suggesting that OS got vigged/ SK'ed, so i posted that tidibit. N1 i killed OS, who was my primary suspect at the time. I also trained N1.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Any results from training?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Yes. Originally, i was only able to kill every other night. But once i trained, i could kill every night. But as a result of training, i lost my scouter, which guarantees me a dragonball.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I think the pieces are fitting together. I'm guessing he's the SK. His attack on Overswarm is a good indicator of him not being mafia, while Gheb's case on him (plus the fact he's been on just about every bandwagon, something I last saw from him in RTS mafia, where he was scum), mean he's probably not town. Add in the vig claim and it all becomes clear.

Anyway, I'm going to conduct a little survey again.

Should we lynch Swords now, or leave him alive for the mafia to NK/to lynch later?

I'll answer once everyone else has done so.

 

[Rockin]

Regardless Meta Kirby, talking about the theories of anyone getting yak would not help our cause much to catching mafia. Like Cello described, we'll be slowly destroying ourselves. We need to look for the mafs and then worry about the possible yak (however, looking at Sword's latest post, I think that point is now m00t).

Never really understood why Swords was scummy in the first place. However, I'm fine with lynching Meta Kirby

Vote: Meta Kirby

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I forgot to Unvote

 

[Rockin]

Should we lynch Swords now, or leave him alive for the mafia to NK/to lynch later?

I don't understand why anyone would want to let an sk live so as to get bitten off by Mafia.That's a...waste, really. If he's an sk, we should lynch him. However, I don't see swords as much of an sk.

OS was adding in nothing but flavors and was basically butting heads with Cello, who I'm sure would've made it his mission to lynch OS. If OS didn't die N1, I'm pretty sure many would've tried lynching him at D2. An Sk, knowing this, wouldn't waste his kill on someone that would probably die soon, so I'd figure he'd kill a less likely target. However, Swords shot OS (least, that's what he's saying). In hindsight, this doesn't make much sense for an sk to do (I never been an sk, but I would picture a sk making far more smarter kills then that).

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Rockin
I didn't consider that, you're right that the NK makes better sense for a vig. I think I'd better reread. At any rate, Swords certainly isn't mafia.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Rockin: An SK that was going to claim vigilante if cornered would still want to kill people he was suspicious of if no one was suspicious of him. After all, let's say he killed you instead. In this situation, how could he justify having shot either you or Xonar? His only known suspicions yesterDay were OS and TPK. If he tried to claim it was a thought he had been harboring but never announced, then no one would have believed him.

@Swords: If your ability was based around searching, why did you choose to train instead?

I don't think this measure is necessary, but we can test to see who Swords killed by giving him a Dragon Ball, and having him use the "give all" action back. If it's one, he killed OS. If two or more, he killed Xonar (who would definitely have searched to clear his own name, lest he be the same situation Mentos was in in Miller's). It's possible that he lied about training and searched instead, but that would be a death sentence for his claim, so we can discount that.

At any rate, I think we should all agree to lynch Swords, but only after finding all the mafia. That way, the mafia has no benefit to killing Swords preemptively if he's telling the truth, thus preserving his power during that time, while ensuring that he doesn't slip through the cracks if he's an SK.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

My plan was to see what training would do N1 and search N2 no matter what.

 

[Kataefi]

Exams are making it tricky to balance time =( I'm gonna reread with all these claims in mind.

Ssbf basically my question was if swarm was second on your townie list and that warranted a defence, why didn't we see this defensive behaviour for any of your other townie reads when they came under pressure?

Jungle is officially off my scumlist for now.

so jungle was on your scumlist to begin with?...for what reasons aside from "flying under the radar" if I may ask? what's your opinion on rockin then?

@swords - at the time of your ability being every other night, why did you decide to use it N1? did you see a connection between pap and swarm at the time or were they solo suspects?

unvote

I do agree that MK needs more looking into btw:

#869 - scum "despite the risk" of town - looks safer considering you attacked ssbf numerous times throughout the entirety of the game. I thought you'd be more clearcut at this point. Along with #872 it reads like ssbf is doomed and expected to be hammered - what would you be thinking if he claimed vanilla? what's your current take on ssbf's role and its usefulness right now?

also what's your opinion on Sold and swords' case on sold? and who did you find scummy D1? =p muchas gracias

 

[Kataefi]

Oh yeah also nich I'll get to your question after I've finished rereading some sections!

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Kat, i used it n1 because OS was already a big enough suspect of mine. I didn't want that scumbag to live another Day.

 

[M.K]

Exams are making it tricky to balance time =( I'm gonna reread with all these claims in mind.

Ssbf basically my question was if swarm was second on your townie list and that warranted a defence, why didn't we see this defensive behaviour for any of your other townie reads when they came under pressure?so jungle was on your scumlist to begin with?...for what reasons aside from "flying under the radar" if I may ask? what's your opinion on rockin then?

@swords - at the time of your ability being every other night, why did you decide to use it N1? did you see a connection between pap and swarm at the time or were they solo suspects?

unvote

I do agree that MK needs more looking into btw:

#869 - scum "despite the risk" of town - looks safer considering you attacked ssbf numerous times throughout the entirety of the game. I thought you'd be more clearcut at this point. Along with #872 it reads like ssbf is doomed and expected to be hammered - what would you be thinking if he claimed vanilla? what's your current take on ssbf's role and its usefulness right now?

also what's your opinion on Sold and swords' case on sold? and who did you find scummy D1? =p muchas gracias

I don't like people who promise to claim, and then claim Vanilla Townie. Even though I WAS VT in Miller's Hollow Mafia, it proved that anyone and anything could claim VT and it doesn't help your case at all. >.<

I'm going to claim because I see this going to L-1. I'm Fat Majin Buu, the Town Absorber. Each night, I can target a player and take their powers for my own "one-off" use. D1 I targeted OS and didn't get his power. I didn't get any power probably because he died.
I'm not scum, and I said I'd claim if neccesary, so here you go.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Crap i had something written then internet died

basically it went like this

Rockin are you readign Swords at all? What about him is town?

Keeping Sword's around after toDay leaves way too many scenarios that are harmful to town.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@MK: What, if any, questions have you asked Ronike about your role? I don't care about the answers if you don't want to or can't say, but if you choose to not provide them, I'd like to know why.

@Jungle: Please, feel free to expand on what those scenarios might be.

@Swords: Can you shoot Jungle toNight? Thanks.

80 hours left. If you have problems with Swords or MK, now is the time to sort them out so we don't scramble. Again.