Nice Point Mafia Day 6 (5/8 to Lynch, Deadline: Saturday the 19th at Midnight)

[Deleted member]

Also ssbf if swarm was secondary on your town list and that warranted some interference from you then why did we not see this direct behaviour for any of your other townie reads who also came under fire?... e.g. nich, your primary town read D1 - I remember questioning some of nich's thoughts, you seemed somewhat unphased by this at the time - by your logic that shouldn't have been the case. saying swarm was a town read to justify your interference could be considered a nullpoint when your other townie reads didn't get the same treatment.

My town reads at the time were Nicholas1024, Hilt (Now Gheb 01), Overswarm, Sold2, and Mentosman8. All aside from Overswarm have actually remained a pro-town read from me and I have no suspicion on them.

Then here he implies that he thought OS was scum. SSBF, please explain.

Originally, Overswarm used to have the second strongest town read frome me. However, like others have said and me myself have said, I started to notice a decline in quality. However, going through his posts against later in Day 1, I finaly realize that people had legitimate reason for suspecting Overswarm. Would I have looked into Overswarm more if he had lived into Day 2? Yes I would have.

You were already at L-3, so if you felt the need to claim, why didn't you?

I was waiting until L-1 to claim. I was thinking claiming while coming home from school, even if I was still at L-3. Claiming now is my last chance to save myself.

@Rockin: I will completley and honestly admit this. I have absolutely no knowledge on how to properly defend myself well and not much knowledge of Mafia in general. But this is my very best defense that I can come up from. This isn't scripted like some of my other big posts, it contains my honest defense and my thoughts on the bandwagon.

My thought on the bandwagon: It really scares me to even think of it now that I'm this close to getting lynched. So much that I would even self-hammer if I wanted to quit. But I proimsed that I would never hammer again and I'm not breaking it with this game. Sadly, the people are right and I have no way of trying to discredit the bandwagon on me.

This here is my defense. This is the very, very best I could come up with.

I have been thinking of this game nonstop ever since I managed to get an /in. I almost never originally got in at all, due to my self-hammering in Smash Bros. Mafia (Emphasize why I now hate it with a passion). As a result, on April 10, 2010, Ronike outright told me he did not want me in his game unless I promised not to hammer. He was dead serious about this and I knew he and everyone else in Smash Bros. Mafia was right. I said that I swore I would never self-hammer again, period and I'm not going to self-hammer here.

I'll further emphasize why I was thinking of this game nonstop. I knew this game was going to be extremely challenging to win, I knew I would be spared no mercy, I knew I had to try my very, very best. If I didn't, I would get lynched.

When the game started, I was super excited and moreso then you think. I was very active during pre-game (Ex. me asking random questions to get us to know each other). You should tell from there I was very excited about the game. While I wasn't certain on how to play the game, let alone scum hunt, I knew town had an mission to complete and I was one of those townies.

I was the one with the very, very first post in Day 1 and I wanted to start out being excited. When I got home from school on May 3, 2010, I knew I had a lot to catch-up on. But I knew this was a great part of Mafia, actvity.

I promised to be very active in the game, moreso then other games at the time and I was very serious about that commitment. I was more of the more active members. On most days, I posted more then once a day. Some people at the time barely posted at all. This also shows my huge commitment to the game.

I put my maximum effort into this game, playing to the very best of my ability, nothing less. I will not stop playing the game until I am dead, no exception. These posts I have made may contain a lot of fluff, but at least I'm putting forth effort into the game. If I was in The Paprika Killer's position, I would have done exactly what Meta-Kirby wanted him to do near the end of Day 1. Tackle arguments and attempt to refute points against me. That's exactly what I'm trying to do now.

I have been trying to contribute to the game. These posts don't exist solely to annoy you or to get my lynched. I worked on some of these posts for a very long time. When Meta-Kirby asked me to hurry up with the re-read post I made, I did exactly that.

You may not have noticed this, but I am trying to improve. My game play should be considerably different from Smash Bros. Mafia. There, I attempted to quick hammer Fatchu because I wanted a townie killed, that's all. No evidence that he was scummy, just so he was dead. When I was at L-1 and asked to claim, I self-hammered. I was truly unhelpful there as I obviously didnt care about other players. Not just townies, but scums as well. On top of that, I was trying to push suspicion upon Vreal at the beginning of Day 2, who had I been townie, would have gotten a pro-town read from me.

Do I attempt to quick hammer anyone in this Mafia? No I do not. Would I self-hammer myself in this game? A million times no. Am I trying to help town? Absolutely, even if you don't see it. Do I try to outright push suspicion just becuase of a flip? No I do not.

I also took a lot of risks in ths game and I'm sure they usually don't benefit. But I am willing to continue doing that. Would I be doing those things as a scum? No I would not. I would have posted when it's safe, my main focus would be to keep myself out of the spotlight, and you would see a lot less out of me.

And people, so you want a claim, right? Well, this is my honest claim.

I am a Piccolo, a Town Jailer. At night, in addition to being able to seach or train for Dragonballs, I can also imprison one person of my choice and force them to train. I recently level up in Night 1 so not only can I imprison a person, I can also choose between forcing them to train or not to train at all.

Night 1, I imprison Cello Marl, one of the people I was suspecting.

 

[Clownbot]

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[DtJ Jungle]

That post is one big AtE.

 

[Clownbot]

Aside from the claim, especially the part about him Jailing Cello.

 

[Rockin]

I agree with JF that about 80% of that post was AtE, however the claim lines up with Cello's claim of him wanting to search, but trained instead. Looking at it further, it makes sense since Piccolo is an effing hardass XD

 

[mentosman8]

Clownbot's got what I thought: The claim does line up perfectly with what happened to Cello last night. In fact, it sums up the only way it makes sense, unless someone else has tried searching/failed/trained instead, his role fits perfectly with claimed information. The question becomes whether it's a town role or a scum role.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Pretty sure SSBF is town with that claim. Babidi is already revealed to be a scum, so I'd guess that the scum are villains, and If OS did yak someone, I really doubt he would've yak'd SSBF.

Cello, what did you mean by "trapping mentos to get a ball"? I thought it had something to do with why you couldn't search but I apparently misunderstood.

 

[M.K]

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Yeah...the AtE was unneeded but the claim is...huh.
Interesting.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

The question becomes whether it's a town role or a scum role.

Pretty much this. we have no way to determine whether piccolo is just a safe claim or his real claim without killing him. Jailer role could go either way, I don't see how he's cleared even if his **** lines up with what cello says.

 

[mentosman8]

Pretty sure SSBF is town with that claim. Babidi is already revealed to be a scum, so I'd guess that the scum are villains, and If OS did yak someone, I really doubt he would've yak'd SSBF.

Cello, what did you mean by "trapping mentos to get a ball"? I thought it had something to do with why you couldn't search but I apparently misunderstood.

Jungle already pretty much answered this, but scum will prolly invariably be villains, but they could potentially have safe claims which allow them to claim hero characters who aren't actually present in the game, so the role counts a lot more than the character, and the role isn't strictly town or scum sided. Either way, it may be best to consider other options for a while at least.

 

[Kataefi]

ssbf you never answered my questions =p can I also ask why you think sold is pro-town?

also I'm unfamiliar with this jailer role but it adds up with cello's actions. it's convenient, possibly a bit too much so - ... I still consider him lynch-material and it's interesting that his post wasn't 'scripted', I'm going to assume some of his others were scripted before... scripted in what way? could you answer this ssbf?

also jungle what's your take on swords right now then?

 

[Deleted member]

ssbf you never answered my questions

In that case, could you please rephrase that question? I had some trouble understanding your question, which made it a bit difficult to answer.

=p can I also ask why you think sold is pro-town?

He's been contributing a fair bit in this game, been relatively active, and has been helpful.

also I'm unfamiliar with this jailer role but it adds up with cello's actions. it's convenient, possibly a bit too much so - ... I still consider him lynch-material and it's interesting that his post wasn't 'scripted', I'm going to assume some of his others were scripted before... scripted in what way? could you answer this ssbf?

My othe big posts were scripted because they took very, very, long amount of time to do, a few required me to re-read the entire thread (I put them on OpenOffice and Wordpad). With Rockin's question, all I had to do was defend myself (After being called an aTe post, I still don't know how to defend).

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Swords does what SSBF does with fewer words. Picks at small things, parrots other people, and deflects suspicion off of him wihtout responding to it. I'm fine with either lynch today, but would rather go the SSBF route.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

SSBF: You say things and people find them scummy. Ask yourself "Why did I bring up that question? What relevant point does it have to current discussion or will it spur any new information that can bring someone into a new light?" If you are to defend yourself, you need to bring to light your reasoning and your whole thought process when prompted.

 

[M.K]

^^Why, even with the claim?

You DID acknowledge that his post contained AtE, which it did, but you didn't mention the only VALID part we could retrieve; the claim. Are you saying that you don't believe his claim is truthful? If so, why?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Is that directed at me?

I was giving advice for future reference.

 

[M.K]

Yeah it was to you, but concerning the post that is two above that one.
Sorry, you ninja'd yourself and ninja'd me too somehow...if that's possible. =)

 

[DtJ Jungle]

****, I'm confused.

Which post number lol

 

[M.K]

Swords does what SSBF does with fewer words. Picks at small things, parrots other people, and deflects suspicion off of him wihtout responding to it. I'm fine with either lynch today, but would rather go the SSBF route.

^^^Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you. lol

Basically what I mean is that you acknowledged (last page) that his post was almost entirely AtE. I agree with that point, but you forgot to acknowledge/make reference to/comment on the ONE piece that was actually important: the claim.
Since he claimed such a role, and it's supported by the information we have regarding Cello's last night action, why do you still consider him a lynch candidate, moreso the PRIMARY lynch candidate? Do you not believe his claim? If so, why? If not, reason with me your opinion on the benefits of an SSBF lynch over another?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Pretty much this. we have no way to determine whether piccolo is just a safe claim or his real claim without killing him. Jailer role could go either way, I don't see how he's cleared even if his **** lines up with what cello says.

Jungle already pretty much answered this, but scum will prolly invariably be villains, but they could potentially have safe claims which allow them to claim hero characters who aren't actually present in the game, so the role counts a lot more than the character, and the role isn't strictly town or scum sided. Either way, it may be best to consider other options for a while at least.

I don't excuse scummy play because he has a role that may exist and a character that can't be verified. Even if it lines up with what happened to cello, that doesn't mean a townie did it to him. Piccolo could be a safeclaim, we dont know and im not going to excuse who i beleive the scummiest player up until this point is just beacuse of it. It's murky to deal with in endgame too, especailly if he continues to play like he is.

I only brought up swords because Kat asked my opinion, and i feel like i should weigh other options to begin with. I gave that opinion on swords without digging into anything he's said, but just by what i remember off the top of my head.

 

[M.K]

I don't excuse scummy play because he has a role that may exist and a character that can't be verified. Even if it lines up with what happened to cello, that doesn't mean a townie did it to him. Piccolo could be a safeclaim, we dont know and im not going to excuse who i beleive the scummiest player up until this point is just beacuse of it. It's murky to deal with in endgame too, especailly if he continues to play like he is.

I only brought up swords because Kat asked my opinion, and i feel like i should weigh other options to begin with. I gave that opinion on swords without digging into anything he's said, but just by what i remember off the top of my head.

I know why you brought up Swords, I don't have a problem with that.
I'm seeing your point more clearly now. Ronike did say that the characters may not align properly in the beginning of the game flavor, so what you're saying is correct.

@SSBF

Did you target Cello and why?

 

[mentosman8]

I know why you brought up Swords, I don't have a problem with that.
I'm seeing your point more clearly now. Ronike did say that the characters may not align properly in the beginning of the game flavor, so what you're saying is correct.

@SSBF

Did you target Cello and why?

*facepalm* you realize he stated this in the post he claimed, right?

 

[M.K]

How did I miss that >_> Nice going me.
ANYWAYS I still wanna know why :3 (YAY my question is still valid).

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote Meta-Kirby
FoS: Jungle / Swords

Double-Edged roles like Jailkeeper are generally town. I guess it could make sense as a mafia role too but I don't think we SSBF is Mafia. Let's lynch one of the three people I mentioned above, SSBF proxies his vote on me and we win this.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Why do I get the feeling that SSBF's natural play makes him more bulletproof than me...?

Anyway, for anyone that's thinking, "Maybe we should kill SSBF anyway since he'll be detrimental" (a thought that I admit has crossed my own mind [and the thought you're all concealing behind "it might be a safeclaim!"]), the worst that he'll do is keep me on permanent lock-down. Especially if he sheeps Gheb.

@MK: Why are you still stuck on Yak targets? It didn't happen. Let it go.

@Jungle: SSBF's role exists as he says, because it worked on me. Admittedly, there hasn't really been a chance for people to counter the point of failed-search-to-train, but there's no benefit to making that sort of claim unless it were true, since someone definitely would come forward (still, considering our subject...if anyone searched, then failed and trained instead, please come forward). The ability itself makes sense enough since SSBF said he thought our characters were from the Majin Buu saga, during which Piccolo forced Goten and Trunks to train. Conversely, while Babidi's ability was character-appropriate, I can't think of any villain that would force a character to train (I was actually knocked out, then woke up in that room), especially since it improved to choosing whether or not they can train. I am interested in how you respond to MK's inquiry.

@S2: I was under the impression that failed search attempts resulted in training instead, so if he had claimed to have searched, I thought that meant he had to have been successful with his search. Also, yakking. Let it go.

@Gheb: I agree on MK, but leave Swords alone. I don't think he's Bad People. Jungle's recent comments don't look good, but I didn't get a really bad feeling before. I don't think it matters though.

@SSBF: Asking again, what do you mean by "given that Kid Trunks is not mentioned in the game"? Also, how did you come to the conclusion that our characters are "from the Majin Buu Saga", considering that you are Piccolo?

Unvote Vote Meta-Kirby

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Claim seems believable IMO. Unvote

MK, you realize that SSBF said in that very same post he targeted cello because he was suspicious of him?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Jungle's recent comments don't look good, but I didn't get a really bad feeling before.

*coughrecruitmentcough*

 

[Nicholas1024]

Hm. SSBF's claim hasn't completely convinced me of his innocence, but I have misgivings about continuing with the lynch, particularly because his playstyle so far is consistent with what I've seen from him in Tree stump.

Anyway, I'm dropping Mentos off my suspicion list for the moment at least. His D2 play has been solid, and the reasons he gave for pushing Xonar and stuff in his defense were plausible.

As far as who's replacing him on the suspect list, that honor goes to Meta-Kirby. Here's why.

His first D1 post I'd like to look at is this:

Just wanted to bring this up: Telling us how many times you've voted for him and how much you think his plan sucks doesn't exactly make you cleared. The only way to clear you (and not even fully then) would be if you were on a Cello wagon that ended in a lynch flip Mafia. V_V

(He FOS'd TPK in the following post.) This is just plain bad, as I outline in a later post. TPK had responded to Xonar's accusation of mass buddying, and Meta Kirby just completely misses the point. There were legit reasons to attack TPK, but that was definitely not one of them.

He doesn't give much content for a few pages, until he comes back with a scumlist.

People I like:
-Mentos
-Rockin
-Nich

People Who....wait, what?:
-Hilt
-Sold2
-Clownbot

People who I wouldn't mind lynching:
-Cello
-SSBF
-Xonar

People I wouldn't mind lynching, but would prefer one of the above:
-Overswarm

Xonar flipped town, Cello was definitely D1 town (and probably still is), and SSBF has at least a chance of being town. In addition, Cello and Xonar had some serious heat against them D1, and given SSBF's playstyle, he's an easy lynch to push. Overswarm was at #4 on his suspect list. That way, he can help ensure OS survives until N1, and gets to yak someone.

Vote: TPK
This is L-1

I don't like your attitude, and that's really enough for me. You haven't contributed as much as I'd like to see from somebody who is getting pressured, and your response is that this game sucks? Odd.
Refute points, tackle arguments and I'll gladly take my vote off, but for now this is where I stand.

He was on the TPK lynch, bypassing the chance at Overswarm.

And finally, his D2 play hasn't been a whole lot better. He has been attacking Cello a lot on the flimsy suspicion that he was yakked. Um... what? That's hardly grounds for a vote, let alone a lynch. So, I feel pretty confident going Vote: Meta-kirby

(Hilt/Gheb and SSBF round out my suspect list's top three.)


@Swords
Do you realize that mentos just said that five or so posts above you?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Love how everybody's suddenly oh so suspicious of Meta after I mention him.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

ANYWAYS I still wanna know why :3 (YAY my question is still valid).

That is why i posted that nic. MK's two most recent posts show that he is skimming.

 

[M.K]

Ooh fun. Yeah I guess I deserve that cuz that was incrdibly dumb. I'm in school right now but I will address all points when I get home. I'm not scum though, but what is that statement without proof?
I'm also willing to claim if necessary. My role is beneficial to town and also addresses my actions D1 and the reasoning behind them.
As for inactivity, sorry, I'm in the middle of exam week and its crazy. I'm not able to be as active as I normally am. That's not excuse though lol. Ill step it up

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Cello I wasn't doubting the existence of the role, I was doubting the alignment of the role/player.

Also, I was unaware the Flavor matched up with the Role (the Goten/Trunks thing, I've only seen thru Cell Saga ) . Then i also realized he did this to Gohan in the Saiyan saga after you brought it up.

unvote

vote: Swords

 

[M.K]

Hm. SSBF's claim hasn't completely convinced me of his innocence, but I have misgivings about continuing with the lynch, particularly because his playstyle so far is consistent with what I've seen from him in Tree stump.

Anyway, I'm dropping Mentos off my suspicion list for the moment at least. His D2 play has been solid, and the reasons he gave for pushing Xonar and stuff in his defense were plausible.

As far as who's replacing him on the suspect list, that honor goes to Meta-Kirby. Here's why.

His first D1 post I'd like to look at is this:


(He FOS'd TPK in the following post.) This is just plain bad, as I outline in a later post. TPK had responded to Xonar's accusation of mass buddying, and Meta Kirby just completely misses the point. There were legit reasons to attack TPK, but that was definitely not one of them.

My point in that post was to refute TPK's argument because he had said that he wasn't buddying Cello BECAUSE he had a vote on him and that he thought his plan was horrible. That's not an argument against buddying, and it doesn't prove anything either way. Maybe my wording was off or something, but my intentions weren't to bring up some random hooligan point on this.

He doesn't give much content for a few pages, until he comes back with a scumlist.


Xonar flipped town, Cello was definitely D1 town (and probably still is), and SSBF has at least a chance of being town. In addition, Cello and Xonar had some serious heat against them D1, and given SSBF's playstyle, he's an easy lynch to push. Overswarm was at #4 on his suspect list. That way, he can help ensure OS survives until N1, and gets to yak someone.

If you were to list out all the people who mistakenly considered Xonar scum, or the people who did not get their suspicions spot on, you'd have a hell of a lot more people than I. It's your opinion that Cello is town; I completely disagree. It doesn't really matter what happens on D1 if D2 he became scum through Yak. [/quote]
You're being a hypocrite in this post. We just had a very close push to lynch on SSBF, and you're calling me out for calling it "easy"? Sorry, I hate playing with this guy, and if even the slightest thing chimes out to me in a scummy manner, I'd like to push it further. I don't understand why you're calling me scummy for pushing a lynch candidate that most of the game (apparently, unless the other voters on that wagon were lying) considered to be scummy or act scummy.

He was on the TPK lynch, bypassing the chance at Overswarm.

So you gonna lynch the other people too? You were on the lynch yourself, did you bypass your lynch candidates as well?
People who "give up" on the game look very scummy to me. See Vrael in Smash Bros. Mafia ; the very last day he just kept saying "whatever, lynch me or lose" which to me, is not a valid defense. In THIS game, TPK looked to be giving up, so that struck me as very odd and discomforting. We scrambled for a lynch at the end, you can't deny that, and yeah, we hit town accidentally, but can you really blame anyone? I know if I were scum, you'd be like "Oh yes we can blame you, you scum", but I'm not and I made a mistake, like the others on that lynch.

And finally, his D2 play hasn't been a whole lot better. He has been attacking Cello a lot on the flimsy suspicion that he was yakked. Um... what? That's hardly grounds for a vote, let alone a lynch. So, I feel pretty confident going Vote: Meta-kirby

Why are you discounting this possibility? It's one of my theories; like I've said, there WAS a post back in D1 in which OS said:

Thanks for being a (predictable) pal, Cello. If you're town, we'll have a good laugh at this at the end. If we're mafia, I'm so deep inside your brain I'm renting a timeshare.

It is in my opinion that OS is the type of player that is comfortable enough with being Mafia that he can say something like this. Everyone already established the Cello V. OS mindset, so phrases like this aren't inherently picked up. Also notice how he says "if YOU'RE town" and if "WE'RE mafia". I can't help but say that this struck me as odd. In my opinion, if they both weren't scum day 1, then Cello would be OS's primary yakking target, assuming he yakked. Now, you're telling me that this is hardly a grounds for vote? Then can you please define grounds for voting? This is not a flimsy suspicion, like you so claim. You're just utlizing confirmation bias to make my points seem refutable and weak. I'm sorry that I haven't clearly delineated ^^that point, but the search wasn't working for me and I couldn't find the quote. Actually had to go to OS's profile and search through all his posts from everywhere forever. (The post searching one won't let me do it, it just says "please wait 60 seconds", even if I only click once).

 

[Nicholas1024]

(Quick note about the 60 seconds search thing, It happens to me too, just refresh the page after a minute or so and it'll work.)

My point in that post was to refute TPK's argument because he had said that he wasn't buddying Cello BECAUSE he had a vote on him and that he thought his plan was horrible. That's not an argument against buddying, and it doesn't prove anything either way. Maybe my wording was off or something, but my intentions weren't to bring up some random hooligan point on this.

Could you please explain how you can be attacking someone and buddying them at the same time for me? I really don't get it.

If you were to list out all the people who mistakenly considered Xonar scum, or the people who did not get their suspicions spot on, you'd have a hell of a lot more people than I. It's your opinion that Cello is town; I completely disagree. It doesn't really matter what happens on D1 if D2 he became scum through Yak.

It's not just one point that kills you. Yes, a ton of people were pushing SSBF, or Xonar, or TPK at one point or another. However, if you look at people that pushed all three but mainly ignored overswarm... that's a far more limited group.

Also, Cello being town on D1 matters a lot. If he was scum D1, pushing a lynch against him then was a pro-town action, if he was town D1 (as is far more likely), it was a scummy action.

You're being a hypocrite in this post. We just had a very close push to lynch on SSBF, and you're calling me out for calling it "easy"? Sorry, I hate playing with this guy, and if even the slightest thing chimes out to me in a scummy manner, I'd like to push it further. I don't understand why you're calling me scummy for pushing a lynch candidate that most of the game (apparently, unless the other voters on that wagon were lying) considered to be scummy or act scummy.

You misunderstand me. I mean that SSBF is an easy lynch to push, simply because of his playstyle. He posts a lot of fluff and plays badly as town or scum. (No offense SSBF. Why don't you ask Xiivi for some mafia advice? Helped my game quite a bit.) The point is that your top three suspects were all likely D1 lynches.

So you gonna lynch the other people too? You were on the lynch yourself, did you bypass your lynch candidates as well?

Unfortunately yes. I bypassed my other main lynch candidate (Overswarm) to lynch TPK, who was also high on my scumlist and a bigger chance of being lynched. It doesn't work in my favor, but neither does it work in your favor.

People who "give up" on the game look very scummy to me. See Vrael in Smash Bros. Mafia ; the very last day he just kept saying "whatever, lynch me or lose" which to me, is not a valid defense. In THIS game, TPK looked to be giving up, so that struck me as very odd and discomforting. We scrambled for a lynch at the end, you can't deny that, and yeah, we hit town accidentally, but can you really blame anyone? I know if I were scum, you'd be like "Oh yes we can blame you, you scum", but I'm not and I made a mistake, like the others on that lynch.

Giving up is not a scumtell. It's bad play and very annoying, but it's not a scumtell. Both town and scum give up on a game, just as both town and scum get modkilled. There is no incentive for either side to just give up.

Why are you discounting this possibility? It's one of my theories; like I've said, there WAS a post back in D1 in which OS said:



It is in my opinion that OS is the type of player that is comfortable enough with being Mafia that he can say something like this. Everyone already established the Cello V. OS mindset, so phrases like this aren't inherently picked up. Also notice how he says "if YOU'RE town" and if "WE'RE mafia". I can't help but say that this struck me as odd. In my opinion, if they both weren't scum day 1, then Cello would be OS's primary yakking target, assuming he yakked. Now, you're telling me that this is hardly a grounds for vote? Then can you please define grounds for voting? This is not a flimsy suspicion, like you so claim. You're just utlizing confirmation bias to make my points seem refutable and weak. I'm sorry that I haven't clearly delineated ^^that point, but the search wasn't working for me and I couldn't find the quote. Actually had to go to OS's profile and search through all his posts from everywhere forever. (The post searching one won't let me do it, it just says "please wait 60 seconds", even if I only click once).

If Overswarm planned to yak Cello, would he really have breadcrumbed it like that? It opens up a whole thing of WIFOM, and it's basically 50-50 whether it would have worked or not. No, my guess is that he yakked someone (if he got to yak at all) that nobody suspected in the hopes that town would tear itself apart trying to find the guy he yakked.

 

[Clownbot]

MK, you seem to have forgotten that Vrael was Town in Smash Bros. :|

FoS MK

Vote Swords

Who are you looking at since SSBF's claim is believable to you? Name more than one person.

 

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@SSBF: Asking again, what do you mean by "given that Kid Trunks is not mentioned in the game"?

Kid Trunks might be one of the characters in the game, but we don't really know that yet. Aside from who flipped when dead, we have no knowledge of what character is in the game, aside from what we know privately that we cannot share with others, unless we do a claim.

Also, how did you come to the conclusion that our characters are "from the Majin Buu Saga", considering that you are Piccolo?

Piccolo has at least a secondary role in the Majin Buu Saga and is an very major character throughout most of the earlier Dragonball Z Sagas. But the main reason why I came to that conclusion is because the Majin Buu Saga has the most amount of characters of all the Sagas and is the last major Saga in Dragonball Z. Further supporting this claim was Overswarm's flip when it was revealed he was Babidi, one of the villans.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Hey SSBF, mind telling us something about who you think is scum? Flavour stuff like that doesn't tell us who the mafia is.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote Swords

Obvscum has to die right now. Going into detail later.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

SSBF, stop posting fluff and parrots and start posting substance.

I'm liking nic's points on SSBF.

Vote: SSBF

I was pointing out that your most recent post at that time was basically a parrot and fluff.

Here's a thought. Was the yakuzza killed by a SK/vig?

Parroting is where you repeat what someone else has already said. Agreeing with someone is saying that you agree with what person A has said. They are both similar, but not the same.

But now i have a question for you, Jungle. (i'm calling you this because i don't feel like putting (｡◕‿‿◕｡) every time i address you.) Who is scum?

If someone usually agrees, then they will say that they agree. Parroting is repeating what that other person has said, but not saying that they agree.

Cello, yes, i would have rode the OS wagon all the way if TPK wasn't closer to being lynched.

He posts that he didn't think OS was scum at the time. Seems that he is somewhat defending overswarm. Then he posts:

Then here he implies that he thought OS was scum. SSBF, please explain.

You were already at L-3, so if you felt the need to claim, why didn't you?

Your whole "case" on SSBF is complete garbage. Nobody in this game has posted less substance and more useless stuff than you and yet you still push SSBF for exactly that reason? Since when are people claiming at L-3? Since when is nudging a player for that reason pro-town? Your explanation on parroting / agreeing are pure, unfiltered crap as well and are basically tailored excuses for your own parroting.

Like what have you ever done except tunneling the easiest target on the field? Like who loves to do that? You guessed it - scum!

Cello I wasn't doubting the existence of the role, I was doubting the alignment of the role/player.

Also, I was unaware the Flavor matched up with the Role (the Goten/Trunks thing, I've only seen thru Cell Saga ) . Then i also realized he did this to Gohan in the Saiyan saga after you brought it up.

unvote

vote: Swords

Jungle is officially off my scumlist for now.

 

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Hey SSBF, mind telling us something about who you think is scum? Flavour stuff like that doesn't tell us who the mafia is.

To be honest, I'm actually liking the case on SwordsRbroken and Meta-Kirby, so I'm starting to become suspicious of both of them. Cello Marl is still my top suspect, but if you want me to bring a case against him, then I will. I'm still plenty suspicious of him.