Nice Point Mafia Day 6 (5/8 to Lynch, Deadline: Saturday the 19th at Midnight)

[SwordsRbroken]

Currently on Page 7 of Day 1. Already gathering some thoughts on the situation.

Before I go to bed tonight, I'd like to respond to something:



I hope you do realize you were parroting Nicholas1024 here, so that makes it somewhat hypocritical of you to say that.

I was pointing out that your most recent post at that time was basically a parrot and fluff.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Here's a thought. Was the yakuzza killed by a SK/vig?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Here's a thought. Was the yakuzza killed by a SK/vig?

*facepalm*

Swords, did you even READ Cello's posts?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Posting to say I'm going to be V/LA for today and all of tomorrow, going to be out of town. I'll try to make a post when I can, but I probably won't be able to do much of anything until Monday. So I'll catch back up then.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

SSBF and Swords: I have a question for both of you

What's the difference between parroting and agreeing with someone?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Id actually like Swords to answer that, not SSBF.

I like MK's analysis of SSBF's post, prett much sums up what I think of him in general. Large walls of text that address irrelevant points or are just fluff in general in addition to bringing nothing new to the table (very late to the table for that matter) makes it look like he's trying to be helpful.

 

[Rockin]

FFFFFFFF that's the last thing I need to see in a mafia game. Effing Yak...

Here's a thought. Was the yakuzza killed by a SK/vig?

In terms of Yaks... I think we should listen to Cello

I gotta look back in terms of SSBF and his post, but so far I can kinda understand Cello's and Nich's points (The tree stump meta is questionable though...I dunno)

JF - Is that all you have to say for the first few posts in D2? >>;;

Can you tell us what you thought about D1 in general as well as the lynch on TPK?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

What's the difference between parroting and agreeing with someone?

Parroting is where you repeat what someone else has already said. Agreeing with someone is saying that you agree with what person A has said. They are both similar, but not the same.

But now i have a question for you, Jungle. (i'm calling you this because i don't feel like putting (｡◕‿‿◕｡) every time i address you.) Who is scum?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Swords, how do you distinguish between the two?

Havent liked SSBF, Mentos and Rockin.

@Rockin: I didn't talk about D1 because I figured there were more pressing matters at hand that I felt needed to be addressed (Current thoughts > Past thoughts) like thoughts on flips and what not.

I feel like D1 we scrambled for a lynch a little bit, where in the end we were just like 'just do it!" I dislike how a good portion of talk was about the mechanics of the game. While it's good to understand how the game works, I don't like people's actions being directed/role speculation. I thought the TPK lynch was a safe one. Not necessarily a bad one (definitely not someone I would want around in Lylo), would've liked to see mentos go.

vote: mentos

 

[mentosman8]

(The tree stump meta is questionable though...I dunno)

The Tree Stump meta is there, even I have to admit, the two biggest flaws I see with it are:

A. The part where SSBF started "buddying" me in the game was when I was having my explosion, and is very possibly related to that and

B. The rest was said under the assumption that I was town in that game. That made a huge difference in everyone's reactions, some getting angry at me for self hammering, some who were with me about Cello tunneling. If I had flipped scum before that comment, then we have a different story.

Jungle, care to elaborate? You say you were feeling me yesterday, why? You have not given any argument against me so far, but suddenly you wanted me lynched yesterday and still do today? I don't like the fact that you didn't give any kind of reasoning to go with that vote. Not to mention, some of the things that you say you didn't like D1(people's actions being dictated/role/character speculation) I was one of the strongest opponents of. So, let's hear some argument here.

 

[DtJ S2n]

I don't like the SSBF lynch. I think he's been doing the wrong things, but he's had good intentions, imo. I'd like to think that if he was really scum, that his partners would tell him to stop doing stupid things like making lists at the very least =/. Cello, I think you're looking too hard into SSBF, using shaky reasoning like buddying mentos in a different game, which Mentos was getting frustrated with at that time, from what I understand.

Sorry I couldn't say much, but I just wanted to say that. I gotta go for now, playing Brawl minus at a friends house. I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

 

[M.K]

I don't like the SSBF lynch. I think he's been doing the wrong things, but he's had good intentions, imo. I'd like to think that if he was really scum, that his partners would tell him to stop doing stupid things like making lists at the very least =/. Cello, I think you're looking too hard into SSBF, using shaky reasoning like buddying mentos in a different game, which Mentos was getting frustrated with at that time, from what I understand.

Sorry I couldn't say much, but I just wanted to say that. I gotta go for now, playing Brawl minus at a friends house. I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

I don't think you're completely correct. Your interpretation of his playstyle is not indicative of past games.
In Smash Bros, the Mafia was on the wagon in the SSBF lynch because they saw him as a liability. He's posting in the same over-fluffed, over-analytical way as he did in Smash Bros. as scum.

@Cello.
Didn't you claim D1? Can you please remind me of that if you did?

 

[Clownbot]

SSBF's play is constant regardless of alignment which is the point I was trying to make with Nich's meta on him.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, went through a re-read of responses to Overswarm and this is what I found on Day 1:

Cello Marl: Clashed relentlessly with Overswarm and attempted to refute most of his posts. This lasted throughout at least half of Day 1. He was the first person to argue with Overswarm on the case. From #123 by Overswarm, he and Cello Marl were going back to back against each other. Most of the argument he made against Overswarm were about the Dragonballs and how to get them to work as a town, some of which I really do disagree on. His argument was very direct and most of his Day 1 posts consisted of that. He also made a post dedicated to a assasult against Overswarm, a sign that he truly thought he was scum. Add the all-training argument and you got what was one of Mafia's games most heated Day 1 argument. Finally at #273, he votes for Overswarm. In that post, he goes after Overswarm for contradicting himself and skimming (Although he did not directly say he did skim). He was the only person to have his vote on Overswarm.

Hilt: The 3rd person to go after Overswarm. He made a short string of posts dedicated to his offense on Overswarm. These including going after him for contradicting himself, misinterperating others posts, and giving out an unhelpful example on his attack against Nicholas. One example of Hilt's post accusing Overswarm of contradicting himself was where he accused him of shooting down Nicholas's plan, but agreeing with Xonar. Shortly after #219, he dropped his case against Overswarm and never really spoke against him again. He did clash with Overswarm, but not for long. He also voted for The Paprika Killer for his lynch.

Meta-Kirby: Mentioned Overswarm as a suspect, but the one thing that caught my eye is that he never really persuded him at all. Other then mentioning him as a suspect and that he wouldn't mind a lynch on him, he mentioned nothing on why he was suspicious. Another person who voted for The Paprika Killer.

With Cello Marl spending most of his time attacking Overswarm on Day 1 and being the only person out of the five with a vote on him, you would think it would give him a more pro-town read and maybe convince me to unvote him. It doesn't. Now it doesn't make him anymore scummier, but Overswarm was a Yakaza, a person who sacerfice himself to make another person a scum. Therefore, if Cello was town before, chances are, he is scum now.

I noticed a connection between Meta-Kirby and Hilt going on with Overswarm. Meta-Kirby mentioned Overswarm as one of his suspects, but he never gave reasons why he was suspicious. As a matter of fact, where he mentioned Overswarm as a suspect, he even agreed with him on a few points.

Hilt quickly dropping his argument with Overswarm. The only other post I can recall him directing his post at Overswarm was his “his WIFOM was halirious” post, which isn't really much.

So yeah, keep your eyes out for Meta-Kirby and Hilt as well.

This is starting to make me suspicious of Meta-Kirby. I really wish Meta-Kirby would have explained his case against Overswarm, hey, he even highlighted him as a suspect.

FoS: Meta-Kirby

 

[Clownbot]

A question for future reference:

After someone is yakked do they just become a regular goon? Say, hypothetically, they were bulletproof before being yakked. Would they still be bulletproof after being yakked?

 

[Cello_Marl]

After someone is yakked do they just become a regular goon? Say, hypothetically, they were bulletproof before being yakked. Would they still be bulletproof after being yakked?

Assuming that the same version of Yakuza is being used here as was used in Simpsons, then yes, abilities are lost:

Once per game, you can decide to die in peace, giving your will to one player in the town. This will cause them to join your cause...Turning them into a mafia goon. You are not allowed to make a night kill the night you decide to die.

Even with the nature of the flavor, I doubt Ronike changed it. Seeing as another kill took place last Night, mafia yakking a vig/SK would be stupidly broken. In any case, I am still just as much of a Bulletproof Hated Lover (once again, not really, but close enough) as I always was. Also, I searched last Night, but I trained, and nothing happened. Maximum level.

 

[mentosman8]

I've always seen them turn into a normal goon, although I guess it does come to mod discretion much like masons can sometimes keep their roles when masoned.

 

[mentosman8]

Also, I searched last Night, but I trained, and nothing happened. Maximum level.

... That sentence doesn't make sense. You searched but you trained?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

@SSBF: i dont get your reasoning for MK? It looks to me like a pussyfooted OMGUS.


Why do you say if Cello was town before, he got yakked? Your reasoning that you dont trust anyone you had a town read on stands for EVERYONE since no one knows who got yakked

 

[DtJ Jungle]

lol Mentos I was wondering about that too.

Also

I'll get to your elaboration in a bit.

 

[Deleted member]

@SSBF: i dont get your reasoning for MK? It looks to me like a pussyfooted OMGUS.

This is not an attempt to OMGUS Meta-Kirby at all. If it was an obvious OMGUS, it would be like "Meta-Kirby is scum because he doesn't like my post/(Give ****** reasons that gives us nothing to work on.". This is a legitimate suspcion against him, as Meta-Kirby put almost zero effort toward his case on Overswarm, despite mentioning him as a suspect. I have a couple of other reasons for suspecting him as well.

Why do you say if Cello was town before, he got yakked? Your reasoning that you dont trust anyone you had a town read on stands for EVERYONE since no one knows who got yakked

First off, when I made that analysis way back into Day 1, I only mentioned five people as townies, so therefore, you are incorrect in that regard.

Secondly, I said "chances are", meaning that it is possible that Cello might have been yakked, but it isn't guarateen. However, given that Cello Marl and Overswarm were attacking each other a LOT into Day 1, if Cello Marl was town, he is the most likely to be yakked. Like I said, I said most likely, which equals possible, NOT guarateen.

 

[Clownbot]

... That sentence doesn't make sense. You searched but you trained?

I also seriously doubt if you trained once you've already reached maximum level without gaining anything.

 

[Deleted member]

@Cello Marl:

Maximum level.

9001. At night, everyone may choose to either train or search for a dragonball. Training may give a permanent boost to ones power, or provide a new power, but you aren't told when you have reached your maximum level and it may sometimes take several nights to level up.

Look at the bolded. There is no possible way that you know you have reached your maximum level, town, scum, independent, etc. I don't see how you would possibly know that you've reached your maximum level.

 

[M.K]

This is not an attempt to OMGUS Meta-Kirby at all. If it was an obvious OMGUS, it would be like "Meta-Kirby is scum because he doesn't like my post/(Give ****** reasons that gives us nothing to work on.".

Bahahahahaha, can you tell me anyone that would actually say "I DUN LIEK HIS POST" or "YOU VOTED FOR ME OMG BAD YOU!"?? That's hilarious; a person does not need to explicitly state their intentions for voting in this manner for it be an OMGUS.
The reason I didn't pursue OS, as you pointed out in your post, was because I, like others, found OS to BE scummy, but not AS scummy as others. Having a suspect and not pursuing them and not having the scum AS a suspect are two completely different things. In the span of a single day, in my opinion, it's not incredibly valid to say "Well you had a suspicion, why didn't you act upon it?". Only if someone does it consistently does it appear scummy. A simple non-pursuit might just be a mistake or an overlook.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Mod: Is Game Specific Rule 9001 strictly accurate, specifically the portion concerning whether or not we are told when we reach maximum level? I can't post my pm to prove my statement, so this is my best recourse.

@Nick and Swords: I'm assuming that you would have stayed on OS if there were more people on that wagon than on TPK's. Is this correct?

@Mentos: At the beginning of this Day, you let us all know how the Yakuza role worked. I can see why you didn't think of the "conversion to goon" part, but why did you leave out the fact that using the Yakuza ability normally requires the mafia Night Kill to be forgone? That's pretty important, especially since your supposed intent was to educate us.

As for settling for TPK... I didn't?...and was more than prepared to go for the OS lynch by the end of D1.

The fact of the matter is that your vote wasn't on OS. That is the manner in which you settled for V; you've not claimed any other suspicions, and you didn't pressure anyone for information. If you had parked your vote on OS when there wasn't someone else available, Nick and Swords would have stayed, and other people would have been attracted to voting for him. Like Xonar said, your intent was clearly for OS to live. On that note...

immediately after Cello's post accusing you [SSBF] of buddying me, you put this up. Why does this bother me? If you're scum...it really does look like you're trying your best to cement a connection, which is a scummy thing to do.

So, why aren't you voting for him? Do you think he's town? Like I said, you claimed he was on your "watch list" for posting fluff, the same reason you got onto Xonar. Lots and lots of fluff. Surely you have some opinion of him. Tell us what you think. What do you think of how he supported OS despite doing so going against his nature? Also, SSBF has trouble dealing with unusual situations. I doubt that he thought about his point against using wishes to revive townies on his own (that they might come back as a different alignment, or recruiters). Who put that thought in his head? Even if it wasn't you, don't you think that OS or his "other partner" suggesting it to him (because he was Babidi) makes sense?

A. The part where SSBF started "buddying" me in the game was when I was having my explosion, and is very possibly related to that and

B. The rest was said under the assumption that I was town in that game. That made a huge difference in everyone's reactions, some getting angry at me for self hammering, some who were with me about Cello tunneling. If I had flipped scum before that comment, then we have a different story.

Didn't you see the date I mentioned? Your "explosion" was at the end of the game. However, previous to the 28th of April, he barely talked about your slot at all, and when he did, it was to point out how Today hadn't posted and should be scrutinized. Then, on the 1st of May, his first post after he received his role for DBZ, he suddenly calls her 5 posts "great contents" for asking good questions. How did your presence suddenly change his mind about Today's play? I'm not suggesting that you did anything improper, but both of you being scummates here is the most likely explanation for his sudden turnabout.

Cello, what are you exactly again? Town or Scum?

Town.

@All: When we find a worthy lynch target, let's just kill the poor ******* this time.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Swords, how do you distinguish between the two?

If someone usually agrees, then they will say that they agree. Parroting is repeating what that other person has said, but not saying that they agree.

Cello, yes, i would have rode the OS wagon all the way if TPK wasn't closer to being lynched.

 

[Clownbot]

Cello, are you saying that your PM specifically stated you had already reached maximum level?

You also ignored Mentos:

... That sentence doesn't make sense. You searched but you trained?

 

[Rockin]

Reading up D2 so far, I see a lot of fluff and uneeded post coming from SSBF, but I hardly seeing any defending. it's like he's trying to derail the topic at hand. It's starting to remind me of his Super Smash Bros. Mafia play, where he was flailing.

I'm also interested on how Cello searched and trained at the same time.

SSBF, tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. Also, what do you feel about the case/issues that's been presented against you?

 

[Deleted member]

Just responding to some stuff:

2) SSBF
Overswarm barely cracked SSBF's top five scum near the end of D1, and SSBF never really went after him. Attacked Cello, TPK and Xonar plenty though.

I'll explain why I didn't go after Overswarm. Being that he was in #5, it would be useless to exhaust my (Internet) energy on him and I prefer to go after people I suspected more. Now granted, I did express willing to hammer if he was Day 1 lynch, but that didn't happen. I'll explain more if you wish.

In the confirmation phase, SSBF swore that he wouldn't self-hammer. This particular habit of his is so well-ingrained that he refused to even self-vote, much less self-hammer, in Tree Stump Mafia. Why then, was he so supportive of OS when an important part of his platform was self-hammering? SSBF didn't even address it, which makes sense; if he doesn't talk about it, he doesn't have to oppose it. Combine this with his view that OS was "another fantastic player" even though he was lurking and wanted to kill inactives, an idea that SSBF disagreed with.

Ronike blacklisting Overswarm over something that happen in the Social Thread is proof that he means serious business. Self-voting and self-hammering is very anti-town and should not be done under most circumstances, especially if you are using it as a "I give up!" excuse. Now granted, if it is strategic and if it could help town, then maybe I'll do it, but not under any other circumstances would I do it.

I never supported Overswarm on the self-hammering at all as you can see. I used to support Overswarm in general, even thought I didn't really read deep into him. But I'd also like you for to know that although he used to have my 2nd strongest town read, I did notice him dropping in quality.

On top of that, Overswarm was NOT lurking. He was one of the most active players of Day 1 and posted a ******** of contents.

I forgot about this since I got sidetracked talking about Cello's post... First and foremost, why is it bad to be "very supportive" of a lynch on someone who ends up flipping mafia when they flipped?

I'll try to clarify that up. I wasn't liking that you were supportive of his lynch, but by the end of the Day, you did not have a vote on him. To the end, you were certain that Overswarm was scum. You did have a vote on him early in Day 1, but due to the Xonar's incident, you persude him instead. After Xonar supposedly redeemed himself enough to warrant your unvote of him, why didn't you re-vote Overswarm, since he was your top lynch candidate? I mean immediately after unvoting Xonar.

Havent liked SSBF, Mentos and Rockin.

Can you explain why you find Rockin suspicious? I'm not seeing it.

The reason I didn't pursue OS, as you pointed out in your post, was because I, like others, found OS to BE scummy, but not AS scummy as others. Having a suspect and not pursuing them and not having the scum AS a suspect are two completely different things. In the span of a single day, in my opinion, it's not incredibly valid to say "Well you had a suspicion, why didn't you act upon it?". Only if someone does it consistently does it appear scummy. A simple non-pursuit might just be a mistake or an overlook.

I wasn't even asking you why you didn't persude Overswarm. I was simply asking why you didn't mention why Overswarm was scummy to you. Just dedicating one explaination on why you found Overswarm scummy would have prevented this argument from forming.

 

[mentosman8]

Response to Cello's post coming up soon, gotta finish lunch and stuff first though

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Mentos: Did you train, or search?

@SSBF: How did OS get to your 2nd-most townie read in the first place, if you "didn't have a deep read on him"? Why is it that, despite being "so scummy", I'm the obvious townie choice for conversion?

In any case, OS wouldn't have yakked me anyway; he obviously has a low opinion of my intelligence, and wouldn't have thought I would be a useful addition to the mafia. This isn't WIFOM, it's a fact. Does a burglar hide stolen loot in a burning fireplace because no one will think he hid anything there? No. It's counterproductive, and that's how OS views me, in real life and here.

Ronike blacklisting Overswarm over something that happen in the Social Thread is proof that he means serious business. Self-voting and self-hammering is very anti-town and should not be done under most circumstances, especially if you are using it as a "I give up!" excuse.

I don't think self-hammering was the issue there, but let's drop that for now.

On top of that, Overswarm was NOT lurking.

Yeah, he did. Early on, you thought he was as you said, "However, he has slightly declined in quality. Ever since we've moved on to pure scum hunting, I haven't seen him around too much." Then, later, he actually did lurk. It's the reason he didn't get lynched.

Cello, are you saying that your PM specifically stated you had already reached maximum level?

Yes. Apparently, Game Specific Rule 9001 means that we aren't told ahead of time when we cap out, although we are told when we actually do hit that limit.

 

[mentosman8]

@Mod: Is Game Specific Rule 9001 strictly accurate, specifically the portion concerning whether or not we are told when we reach maximum level? I can't post my pm to prove my statement, so this is my best recourse.

Still won't explain the fact that you said you searched and trained last night, however if they respond that you did get told you reached maximum level despite being theoretically impossible, does still help.

@Mentos: At the beginning of this Day, you let us all know how the Yakuza role worked. I can see why you didn't think of the "conversion to goon" part, but why did you leave out the fact that using the Yakuza ability normally requires the mafia Night Kill to be forgone? That's pretty important, especially since your supposed intent was to educate us.

I don't believe I have ever encountered a yakuza which requires the night kill to be skipped to be able to use it's power. Most of my experience with yaks comes from EpicMafia, where yaks are in addition to the mafia nk. There was a yak in Simpsons mafia, but I don't remember how exactly it worked. Regardless, my main experience with yaks comes where they can do both yak and kill, so I wouldn't have thought to suggest the idea that the kill is lost for it, because I expect the opposite.

The fact of the matter is that your vote wasn't on OS. That is the manner in which you settled for V; you've not claimed any other suspicions, and you didn't pressure anyone for information. If you had parked your vote on OS when there wasn't someone else available, Nick and Swords would have stayed, and other people would have been attracted to voting for him. Like Xonar said, your intent was clearly for OS to live. On that note...

I'm sorry that I made a post saying I wanted to read things more carefully before I re-placed my vote for sure, and about 15 hours when I was able to come back(most of which was spent sleeping) the lynch already happened? Do you expect me to put all of my time into this game and not do anything else so that there's no possibility a lynch happens less than a day after my last post? That's not settling for another lynch, that's the town settling for another lynch when I'm not able to be at the computer.

So, why aren't you voting for him? Do you think he's town? Like I said, you claimed he was on your "watch list" for posting fluff, the same reason you got onto Xonar. Lots and lots of fluff. Surely you have some opinion of him. Tell us what you think. What do you think of how he supported OS despite doing so going against his nature? Also, SSBF has trouble dealing with unusual situations. I doubt that he thought about his point against using wishes to revive townies on his own (that they might come back as a different alignment, or recruiters). Who put that thought in his head? Even if it wasn't you, don't you think that OS or his "other partner" suggesting it to him (because he was Babidi) makes sense?

I'm not voting for him, because I'm not fully decided yet. Don't really think he's town, but I haven't gotten time to do the re-read I want to yet, and I don't want to jump the gun voting for anyone. Next, I didn't get onto Xonar for posting fluff, although I did point such things out while analyzing him. Your last point is a pretty solid one, I have only been in two games that would let me meta that fact, and he wasn't around this forum for either of them. I'll be keeping that in mind during my read.

Didn't you see the date I mentioned? Your "explosion" was at the end of the game. However, previous to the 28th of April, he barely talked about your slot at all, and when he did, it was to point out how Today hadn't posted and should be scrutinized. Then, on the 1st of May, his first post after he received his role for DBZ, he suddenly calls her 5 posts "great contents" for asking good questions. How did your presence suddenly change his mind about Today's play? I'm not suggesting that you did anything improper, but both of you being scummates here is the most likely explanation for his sudden turnabout.

Hm, I didn't actually look at the game, so I don't know exactly where this occurred. I couldn't say though. I know I'm not scum with him, so that rules out that idea in my mind at least, and everything else I think would be too complicated for it to actually be a planned action. I can see where you're going with that though, I thought that the time fit better with the end of the game than it did.

Anyway, I'll get back to this in a while, got some stuff to get done before my safety meeting at work tonight.

 

[Deleted member]

@Mentos: Did you train, or search?

Why bother asking this? Asking questions is good, but if everyone were to answer this, scums would know who has the Dragon balls and who doesn't. This makes choices for night kills much easier, especially if people with multiple Dragon balls did tell they did have one. I'm not a fan of keeping information secret, but some information are best left secret, for they may only be beneficial to scums, not townies.

@SSBF: How did OS get to your 2nd-most townie read in the first place, if you "didn't have a deep read on him"? Why is it that, despite being "so scummy", I'm the obvious townie choice for conversion?

Like others, I tend to focus more on scum reads then townie reads. This is why I focused more on you, The Paprika Killer, and Xonar then Overswarm at the time.

The reason why you're the most likely choice for being yakked is because you and Overswarm had a huge grudge against each other. Unless he was also punished with no conversion (Since Ronike blacklisted him), he could have chosen you as someone to join the Mafia. People preferred to lynch Overswarm over you, so he could have used the opportunity to convert you into a scum when there wasn't much suspicion on you (Aside from me, SwordsRbroken, and Meta-Kirby, not many people after your and Overswarm argued to death over Dragon balls/game play mechanics).

In any case, OS wouldn't have yakked me anyway; he obviously has a low opinion of my intelligence, and wouldn't have thought I would be a useful addition to the mafia. This isn't WIFOM, it's a fact. Does a burglar hide stolen loot in a burning fireplace because no one will think he hid anything there? No. It's counterproductive, and that's how OS views me, in real life and here.

But you are known as a fairly good player around Smash World Forums. Plus, not many people really suspected you by the end of Day 1. I'm speculating that a Yakuza would yak a relatively strong, experience, and a player with not much suspicion on them.

Also, have you ever met Overswarm before? If not, then how are you sure he'll greet you the same way in real life as in this game?

Yeah, he did. Early on, you thought he was as you said, "However, he has slightly declined in quality. Ever since we've moved on to pure scum hunting, I haven't seen him around too much." Then, later, he actually did lurk. It's the reason he didn't get lynched.

He only missed two out of I think nine days in Day 1. When he did post, he was usually active as ****. ISO him and you'll see that he has made over 100 posts in this thread (Including pre-game). If you mean active lurking, I'll look into it.

 

[Clownbot]

Starting to think that Cello is blatantly ignoring it when everyone asks him how he searched and trained.

Why bother asking this? Asking questions is good, but if everyone were to answer this, scums would know who has the Dragon balls and who doesn't.

Searching =/= finding

 

[DtJ S2n]

I don't think you're completely correct. Your interpretation of his playstyle is not indicative of past games.
In Smash Bros, the Mafia was on the wagon in the SSBF lynch because they saw him as a liability. He's posting in the same over-fluffed, over-analytical way as he did in Smash Bros. as scum.

As scum, did SSBF go around telling everyone his every thought? Describe his scum play in a little bit more detail please, or is it like, seriously the same as his town play. I don't wanna go back and read Smash Bros. mafia.

Starting to think that Cello is blatantly ignoring it when everyone asks him how he searched and trained.

Agreed. Vote Cello Marl. Entirely willing to unvote as soon as this is answered.

 

[Kataefi]

heya sold could you explain the wrong things by ssbf and why you feel these have underlying good intentions?

interested in cello's response

Also ssbf if swarm was secondary on your town list and that warranted some interference from you then why did we not see this direct behaviour for any of your other townie reads who also came under fire?... e.g. nich, your primary town read D1 - I remember questioning some of nich's thoughts, you seemed somewhat unphased by this at the time - by your logic that shouldn't have been the case. saying swarm was a town read to justify your interference could be considered a nullpoint when your other townie reads didn't get the same treatment.

Like others, I tend to focus more on scum reads then townie reads.

Interesting thing to say considering you defended some my points with 'I acted because I thought swarm was town at the time' =p

MK I've noticed you seem to be dissecting ssbf's posts a lot - is this because you think he's scum? why is this? Could you elaborate on your suspects?

 

[M.K]

I feel like SSBF is scum.
Cello is scum as well, for a couple of reasons.
1) There was a post in D1 that literally had OS saying "Well Cello, if we were both scum, this would've been a doozy" or something along those lines. Makes me suspicious. I feel like OS died and made Cello scum.
2) he's not answer the questions directed towards him.

@Sold.
Yes, he did, and he made it clear to dilineate who he felt was scum and who he didn't feel was scum. He also ridiculed players like he did at the beginning of this game. Olol.

 

[DtJ S2n]

SSBF is always contributing his opinion and letting others know what he's thinking. I don't think he's lied yet either. Example, he makes a list of his opinions on everyone at two different points. As town, he thinks he's helping by telling his view on players. If he was scum, what would he have to gain by doing this? I can't think of a reason SSBF would do this other than trying to help.

That's what I was thinking, but if SSBF's play is exactly the same as scum like MK and Clownbot suggest, I guess my thoughts are backless here and I need to reevaluate.

 

[M.K]

SSBF is always contributing his opinion and letting others know what he's thinking. I don't think he's lied yet either. Example, he makes a list of his opinions on everyone at two different points. As town, he thinks he's helping by telling his view on players. If he was scum, what would he have to gain by doing this? I can't think of a reason SSBF would do this other than trying to help.

That's what I was thinking, but if SSBF's play is exactly the same as scum like MK and Clownbot suggest, I guess my thoughts are backless here and I need to reevaluate.

You're right; he does those things as town and scum. However, when scum, he's not the type of person to actively talk AGAINST his scum partners. He's not that type of player. He makes lists as both; as town, it hurts, and as scum, it's helpful to town because he never undermines his partners. : )

 

[Clownbot]

Nah, MK, he claimed suspicion of both his scum partners. His reasoning wasn't really legitimate though; when I look back after the end of the game it seemed like obligatory bussing, which might give us something to look at if he gets lynched and flips scum.