Nice Point Mafia Day 6 (5/8 to Lynch, Deadline: Saturday the 19th at Midnight)

[Kataefi]

stop ssbf stop =D

This is MK's [oscar] moment - let him come in here and discuss things with us - you have plenty of time to tell us your plans at the start of the next Day, but for now let's refrain from feeding scum more plainly obvious NK info alluding to suspects/connections/whatever...

 

[Deleted member]

@Kataefi: Sorry about that, I thought you were saying something else.

 

[M.K]

stop ssbf stop =D

This is MK's [oscar] moment - let him come in here and discuss things with us - you have plenty of time to tell us your plans at the start of the next Day, but for now let's refrain from feeding scum more plainly obvious NK info alluding to suspects/connections/whatever...

Well, I know it's gonna be hard to believe, but I'm gonna flip town. =/
When I do, I'd like you to shoot Nich or Cello. They've pushed my lynch incessently, and if you do end up lynching me, you'll have them to blame.
If Cello really is claimed Bulletproof, then Nich's the way to go. It'll be nice to see them die. >_>
Nich especially, just because he's got NOTHING going for him in terms of pressure. : c

 

[mentosman8]

First of all, sorry I was gone the past couple days. Hell on earth at work. Secondly, I am completely satisfied with this lynch, for some extra reasons as well. Thirdly, Swords, if you are even thinking about shooting me I will stop you. Fact of the matter. Do NOT listen to them.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Well, I know it's gonna be hard to believe, but I'm gonna flip town. =/
When I do, I'd like you to shoot Nich or Cello. They've pushed my lynch incessently, and if you do end up lynching me, you'll have them to blame.
If Cello really is claimed Bulletproof, then Nich's the way to go. It'll be nice to see them die. >_>
Nich especially, just because he's got NOTHING going for him in terms of pressure. : c

I'll believe that when I see it. Also, if you think I'm scummy, push a case on me. Me pushing your lynch doesn't count, because you sir, are superscum. You've still got time before night starts to make a case.

@Gheb
You're welcome to make a case on me as well.

Quick note:
Even if Gheb/MK makes a case on me, I probably won't be able to answer it until D2, as I'll be away just about all day tomorrow.

 

[mentosman8]

Oh, and before anyone asks, I will not elaborate on my former post.

 

[Kataefi]

Because I'm interested - Mentos can you comment on solely gheb's thoughts surrounding the yakuza and claims?: #1011 & #1012

 

[Kataefi]

ninja'd =(

 

[M.K]

I'll believe that when I see it. Also, if you think I'm scummy, push a case on me. Me pushing your lynch doesn't count, because you sir, are superscum. You've still got time before night starts to make a case.

@Gheb
You're welcome to make a case on me as well.

Quick note:
Even if Gheb/MK makes a case on me, I probably won't be able to answer it until D2, as I'll be away just about all day tomorrow.

I'm not scum, haha, and your inability to accept that will just cuz town to fail.
Tomorrow you'll pick a new victim, ride him towards the end, and it'll be town, just like TPK. XD
I mean, have fun, but I'm not scum. =)

 

[mentosman8]

Kat: Gheb does have a solid point in those posts. At a point in a game where there is a confirmed alignment-changing role, things have to be based solely on scumminess. Claims are murky business to begin with, but once there is a confirmed alignment changing role, they are thrown out the window unless we have concrete evidence that the recruiter/whatever it may be did not activate their ability. Whether this fact means that keeping Swords alive is too much WIFOM, I'm not as sure on, but he does raise a solid point about claims post confirmation of recruiting roles.

 

[Rockin]

Okay Meta, aside from giving Mafia more info to work with (connecting Nich to Cello as the possible lover? seriously?), how about giving your suspicions on who you find maf, and who you find town (assuming you really are town).

 

[Kataefi]

Kat: Gheb does have a solid point in those posts. At a point in a game where there is a confirmed alignment-changing role, things have to be based solely on scumminess. Claims are murky business to begin with, but once there is a confirmed alignment changing role, they are thrown out the window unless we have concrete evidence that the recruiter/whatever it may be did not activate their ability. Whether this fact means that keeping Swords alive is too much WIFOM, I'm not as sure on, but he does raise a solid point about claims post confirmation of recruiting roles.

Okay cool =D that clarified some things, thanks - my initial understanding was that, in reference to swords' claim in particular, the vig role is innately not-scum, that and with gheb's assumption as to whoever is yakked turns to a mafia goon made me think that swords' claim can now be made verifiable... in the sense that if he can successfully kill someone and mafia kill someone then it would point to him not being scum-aligned.

 

[mentosman8]

The problem with that theory is the potentiality of Swords being a serial killer. Even if not yakked the claim remains unverifiable because an SK acts exactly as a vig, simply independently aligned instead of town aligned. However, should he have been yakked he is almost assured to have lost his power, so should he not shoot tonight, that strongly supports that theory(especially as most SK's are required to shoot at night), however this then leaves the possibility of a vig non-shot. Really it is a very murky situation as either way could be interpreted as both town and non-town.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Mentos saying he will stop me from killing him makes me uneasy about targeting him. But anways, there have been 2 people for me killing gheb, and 2 for killing mentos. I'm leaning towards gheb myself.

@gheb why would i want to shoot Nic?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Well, I know it's gonna be hard to believe, but I'm gonna flip town. =/
When I do, I'd like you to shoot Nich or Cello. They've pushed my lynch incessently, and if you do end up lynching me, you'll have them to blame.
If Cello really is claimed Bulletproof, then Nich's the way to go. It'll be nice to see them die. >_>
Nich especially, just because he's got NOTHING going for him in terms of pressure. : c

Wut. I wouldn't push Cello's lynch, and i have yet to see a decent case on Nick. You wanting to get rid of nic looks like a big OMGUS right there.

 

[M.K]

Wut. I wouldn't push Cello's lynch, and i have yet to see a decent case on Nick. You wanting to get rid of nic looks like a big OMGUS right there.

Okay, so Ima just watch Cello run away with this game. Just like Marshy did in Scum Wars and ChibiCat in Smash Bros. - because nobody wants to pressure them at all. lol.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Mentos: Isn't that the very reason we're asking him to shoot? To confirm that he has that ability? Isn't that also the reason we're going to lynch him after we find the last mafia? The worst that could happen is a mafia non-shot (as there is absolutely no reason for a vig non-shot, I don't see why you would bring it up). Even then, it's not that terrible of a situation. If mafia wants to persist in that illusion, then they would have to give up their NK until we kill him. Forcing mafia to lose a couple of Night Kills just so we lynch Swords later? That's fine by me.

@Nick and Swords: Gheb-scum is certainly possible.

 

[Clownbot]

Isn't that the very reason we're asking him to shoot? To confirm that he has that ability? Isn't that also the reason we're going to lynch him after we find the last mafia?

....What? When exactly was this agreed upon?

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Swords: Don't shoot Gheb if MK is scum. He hammered, so he should be a prime mafia NK target toNight (and if he isn't targeted, we'll deal with that in the Morning). If you shoot the same target as the mafia, that will open up a can of worms more difficult to deal with later.

@Clownbot: Would you prefer to leave him alive? It's the only reasonable course of action. Well, there is something else we could do, but now isn't the time for that.

 

[M.K]

Oh.
I just now realized I've already been lynched.
Wow. I wasn't even scum. >_> Totally serious now.

 

[M.K]

Kill Cello someone.
Kill Nich Someone.

Done with this game lol. It's another one of those "Watch them control you, laugh, then realize 'oh ****, probably shouldn't have that'"

 

[Deleted member]

@Meta-Kirby: Cello Marl actually played well Day 2 and Nicholas1024 is by no means deserving of any kind of death whatsoever. And this is coming from someone who said he did not tunnel Cello Marl, then contradicted himself twice by saying Cello must have been scum from the start and is still wanting him dead.

 

[Clownbot]

@Clownbot: Would you prefer to leave him alive?

There's a reason I have my vote on him, you know. <.<

I think he should go ASAP. We don't need to wait until we get rid of the Mafia (besides, I'm pretty sure he is the Mafia, anyway).

 

[Clownbot]

SSBF, define tunneling real quick for me.

 

[M.K]

@Meta-Kirby: Cello Marl actually played well Day 2 and Nicholas1024 is by no means deserving of any kind of death whatsoever. And this is coming from someone who said he did not tunnel Cello Marl, then contradicted himself twice by saying Cello must have been scum from the start and is still wanting him dead.

Oh my god you are SO oblivious. Literally I feel like I'm talking to a potato or some kind of deaf, blind hamster.
They just double-teamed to lynch someone that is NOT scum XD I don't know how much more "anti-town" you can get than that. Someone kill this moron too plz.
AHAHAHAHA this is such a bad post makes me wanna die.

 

[Deleted member]

SSBF, define tunneling real quick for me.

Tunneling is where you focus mainly on another person while neglecting that there could be other people who are acting scummy as well, especially if you do it throughout the majority of the game.

I think I know what you're going to say as a counter reponse.

 

[Clownbot]

I think I know what you're going to say as a counter reponse.

Oh really? Do tell.

 

[mentosman8]

Cello: I simply said that regardless of the result, we can not definitively clear nor incriminate him based on the kills of the night, pretty much what I think Gheb was trying to say, responding to his comments.

@SSBF: I would like to have confirmation by the end of twilight that you won't be shooting me tonight. If you're really vig, I don't want to inadvertently lead things to a mislynch. If I have confirmation that you won't shoot me, I can worry about other business.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh really? Do tell.

"SSBF, stop tunneling Meta-Kirby. You're wasting time on a person that is fixing to get lynched anyway."

Something like that.

 

[Deleted member]

@Mentosman8: Ummmm, I claimed Town Jailer, not Town Vigilante. That was SwordsRbroken.

 

[M.K]

*that IS lynched already.

Hilarious. I hate Twilight. >_>

 

[Clownbot]

I lol'd, SSBF.

But my real response was going to be a correction of your definition. I figured it was going to be wrong based on what you were saying about MK tunneling Cello, but it was correct (I think ), which sort of... Confuses me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If he were to flip scum, I would go after Gheb 01 for reasons that Nicholas explained in #1007.

Please, for the love of god do not EVER follow any of Nick's "cases". Unless you want town to lose, that is.

@Gheb

You're welcome to make a case on me as well.

What case? I think you're the blatant village idiot.

Kat: Gheb does have a solid point in those posts. At a point in a game where there is a confirmed alignment-changing role, things have to be based solely on scumminess. Claims are murky business to begin with, but once there is a confirmed alignment changing role, they are thrown out the window unless we have concrete evidence that the recruiter/whatever it may be did not activate their ability. Whether this fact means that keeping Swords alive is too much WIFOM, I'm not as sure on, but he does raise a solid point about claims post confirmation of recruiting roles.

The problem with that theory is the potentiality of Swords being a serial killer. Even if not yakked the claim remains unverifiable because an SK acts exactly as a vig, simply independently aligned instead of town aligned. However, should he have been yakked he is almost assured to have lost his power, so should he not shoot tonight, that strongly supports that theory(especially as most SK's are required to shoot at night), however this then leaves the possibility of a vig non-shot. Really it is a very murky situation as either way could be interpreted as both town and non-town.

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@gheb why would i want to shoot Nic?

Because I want town to win this.

@Swords: Don't shoot Gheb if MK is scum. He hammered, so he should be a prime mafia NK target toNight (and if he isn't targeted, we'll deal with that in the Morning). If you shoot the same target as the mafia, that will open up a can of worms more difficult to deal with later.

Bad logic is bad. Even though you're right about him not shooting me.

The problem:

With Nick blatantly riding Swords' ****, swords has the momentum and a basis to get rid of me toNight. When I flip it's obvious that Nick will be the scapegoat toMorrow. The fact that Nick himself grasps neither this nor the WIFOM muck in swords mere existance in this game makes him a huge threat regardless of his claim - perfect target for the Vig.

Swords shoots Nick toNight and we lynch swords toMorrow. Scum will win if all 3 of them (MK, Nick, Swords) are town and we don't get rid of them asap.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also after reading mentos' posts I'm against shooting him. We need any competent player there is in ths game right now.

 

[DtJ S2n]

I'm no where close as V/LA as I thought I'd be today =/. A very poor sequence of events, really.

 

[Deleted member]

Please, for the love of god do not EVER follow any of Nick's "cases". Unless you want town to lose, that is.

First off, please link the games you've been in with Nicholas. I will read them.
Secondly, Nicholas1024 is actually a pretty good player here. His cases has been very solid, even the ones on me. If Meta-Kirby gets lynched and flips scum, you better be thanking him (And of course other people in the bandwagon). I really don't see your hate on Nicholas lately.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Swords shoots Nick toNight and we lynch swords toMorrow. Scum will win if all 3 of them (MK, Nick, Swords) are town and we don't get rid of them asap.

Also after reading mentos' posts I'm against shooting him. We need any competent player there is in ths game right now.

...you just want them dead because you think they are incompetent? Is that the only real reason?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You missed have missed the part where I said I think Swords is scum.

 

[Cello_Marl]

You must have missed the part where I asked if it was a real reason.

Swords, it's probably safe to go ahead and shoot Gheb. I was worried that there was no doc to protect you, or that they wouldn't protect you (doc, please protect Swords), but after thinking about it the most likely docs are Dende (train to unlock healing, or maybe it only works every other Night) or Korin/Karin (train to gather a Senzu bean).

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If you shoot me, town will lose this game.