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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Noipoi

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Piranha Plant: …wait, what?
Joker: I don’t really know who this is but everyone seems excited so I’m happy for them!
Hero: Cool!
Banjo & Kazooie: **** YEEEEAAAAAH!!!
Terry: I also don't know who this is but he seems cool!
Byleth: …I’m going back to bed.
Min Min: Sure.
Steve: HOLY ****
Sephiroth: JESUS CHRIST
Pyra/Mythra: Meh…
Kazuya: Okay
Sora: Hell. Yes.
 

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Dimitri was nice before he snapped and after he recovered. Edelgarde is nice to her friends at least and she has some justification for her actions based on everything that happened to her.
i don't think you can justify starting a war. considering the person she starts the war against also went through similar horrors you'd be saying at the same time she was justified in doing the things she did at the same time. if anything three houses is a game with no real heroes which many say is just true of war. i know plenty would say that "claude was protecting his home from invaders" wouldn't defend what he did. so no i don't think there is anything justification for what she did.

Thats not really a good comparision
Bayonetta was almost a 7 year old franchise when it was added.
Bayonetta latest game at the time was funded by Nintendo
Devil May Cry had no games in Nintendo consoles at the time.
point being that the whole "this franchise would get in over this franchise" and "this character would get in over this character" doesn't hold up in smash
 

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Oh, what the heck.

:ultpiranha: Haha, what?
:ultjoker: Of all the characters they could have gone for, it was this guy? Sheesh.
:ulthero: Nice!
:ultbanjokazooie: YEAH BABYYY
:ult_terry:Oh, okay.
:ultbyleth:...I suppose this was inevitable.

:ultminmin Fair enough.
:ultsteve: sensible chuckle.gif
:ultsephiroth:WHAT?!
:ultpyra::ultmythra: I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
:ultkazuya:not jin
:ultsora:YEAH BABYYYY
 

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i don't think you can justify starting a war. considering the person she starts the war against also went through similar horrors you'd be saying at the same time she was justified in doing the things she did at the same time. if anything three houses is a game with no real heroes which many say is just true of war. i know plenty would say that "claude was protecting his home from invaders" wouldn't defend what he did. so no i don't think there is anything justification for what she did.



point being that the whole "this franchise would get in over this franchise" and "this character would get in over this character" doesn't hold up in smash
Fair point. Perhaps justified was the wrong word. I think I meant you could understand what might drive someone in her situation to drastic action like that, even if it is misguided. She was still wrong for inciting war and there were better ways of resolving her issues.
 
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Though, part of it might also be familiarity with the source material; Everyone acknowledged Tekken was pretty big, but it seemed like the bulk of the Smash fanbase weren't also tekken fans, so naturally they weren't quite as excited at Kazuya's presence
Yeah, some franchises just don't have much fans within Smash Bros fanbase for whatever reason.
Tekken, KOF and Dragon Quest fans don't seem to have much crossover with Smash Bros fans compared to let's say Persona 5 fans.
 

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Oh I didn’t include PP when I did mine earlier. Anyway it was confusion. And some disappointment obviously as a toad supporter
 

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:ultinkling:: Fair enough
:ultdaisy:: Lol what?
:ultridley:: AAAAAAAAAA FINALLYYYYYYYY
:ultsimon:: Great, let's go!
:ultrichter:: Oh, there's another one.
:ultchrom:: Makes sense...
:ultdarksamus:: I can't believe they actually made her playable :')
:ultkrool:: -dances to Gangplank Galleon-
:ultisabelle:: Meh, but I've always liked playing as Villager, can't complain.
:ultken:: That's cool!
:ultincineroar:: This character looks fun!
:ultpiranha:: Ahahahahahah
:ultjoker:: Meh
:ulthero:: Instantly loved the spell menu
:ultbanjokazooie:: Shed a tear, I'll main them no matter what
:ult_terry:: Another classic character, great!
:ultbyleth:: ...I wonder why I was expecting anything else.
:ultminmin: Don't really care about Arms but she looks fresh and different enough.
:ultsteve:: Lmao, this is cool! Love these crazy movesets
:ultsephiroth:: Whaaat?! Incredibly epic reveal.
:ultpyra::ultmythra:: Yaaaawn...
:ultkazuya:: Cool, cool.
:ultsora:: Meh. As long as people are happy...
 
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As far as initial reactions go, I was pretty happy with every newcomer.
The only significantly different ones were :ultsora::ultsephiroth::ult_terry:who I got the most excited for, :ultsteve: who I was mostly indifferent too but happy for MC fans and :ultbylethf:who I was happy got in but I remember audibly going "Oh no..." as the trailer started because I knew it was going to be Corrin 2.0 for the community.

Otherwise everyone else was a happy:
 

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Just to be 100% clear these are my reactions to the reveal trailers, not how much I like/dislike a character's presence in the game.

:ultpiranha: - Bewildered but also happy at how silly and absurd it was. Fun reveal, I liked it.
:ultjoker: - My brother told me "they added Joker to Smash" and I thought he was talking about like, the Batman character. So I didn't believe him for like thirty minutes lol. My thoughts then were like "I'll wait to see the gameplay before judging", very neutral.
:ulthero3:- Disappointed but didn't have much to do with the actual character. Was annoyed he got leaked so far in advance and I was hoping we didn't actually know who "brave" was lol.
:ultbanjokazooie: - Feel like I should've cared more but kinda didn't for whatever reason. Another guy we saw coming from miles away, albeit not as obvious as "brave" but still. Was glad for his fans but had no real reaction, barely felt anything.
:ult_terry: - Cool, slightly positive reaction. I was mainly focused on "zomg, snas undertale realll!!!" at the time than anything else, poor Terry didn't have a real chance to get my attention lol.
:ultbyleth:- My reactions are a lot more mild than most people, but with Byleth I legitimately felt nothing. I was expecting Fire Emblem eventually so there was no surprise and as for my thoughts on Byleth, I didn't have any. There was no opinion, thought, feeling, anything positive or negative really. Byleth reveal was a thing that existed I guess?
:ultminmin - We already knew we were getting ARMS something and the fact they told us that made her very unsurprising. Didn't really care much either way that it was Min Min and not like, idk, Twintelle or Helix or something. Thought she was kinda boring regardless, was a mostly neutral reaction.
:ultsteve: - Saw him coming from a mile away (not necessarily for that specific reveal but like, in general) yet I still liked his reveal. I wanted to see Minecraft in Smash, I got Minecraft in Smash, neat!
:ultsephiroth:- Really cool honestly, very fun reveal and came as a little surprising at the time. Also funnily enough, I remember playing a couple silly games with friends where we'd act as if a music playlist decides who gets in Smash, and One-Winged Angel played. Remember thinking "Huh wait nobody talks about him but he actually makes a lot of sense" one day before the reveal, maybe the playlist method is magic or something lmao
:ultpyra::ultmythra: - I don't remember my initial thoughts on them honestly? I remember my day 1 thoughts when she came out and for the moveset preview, but not the actual reveal. Probably didn't react much but I can't remember.
:ultkazuya: - Wasn't very excited but I also thought he was a good choice. I remember realizing Terry, "the Minecraft guy" and him were the only FP characters my father would recognize and appreciating him for that.
:ultsora: - So this one's interesting. I felt he was a very fitting last character, was happy for his fans and glad we finally got some closure on the ballot. On the other hand, I reeeaallllyyy didn't like his trailer. Not because like "oh Sora bad" or something, but the whole vibe of it was kinda off to me. Like, a Smash trailer that's trying to make us feel all sappy and relies on you already having some deep emotional connection to the character? Bleh. It didn't hit at all for me and just felt incredibly unfitting.
 
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The only significantly different ones were :ultsora::ultsephiroth::ult_terry:who I got the most excited for, :ultsteve: who I was mostly indifferent too but happy for MC fans and :ultbylethf:who I was happy got in but I remember audibly going "Oh no..." as the trailer started because I knew it was going to be Corrin 2.0 for the community.
I wounder who could be the next "Oh no..." character that could cause a fire in the community?
Maybe Fortnite?
 

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I wounder who could be the next "Oh no..." character that could cause a fire in the community?
Maybe Fortnite?
Jonesy has a pretty bland design but other than that I’m okay with Fortnite. The building mechanic could be interesting.

I’m pretty much fine with anyone since every character has fans but if I had to pick two least wanted characters now it’s probably Freddy Fazbear and Conker. Freddy is mostly just because his design doesn’t really appeal to me. Conker is in the same boat but I just never cared for the character in general. He’s also a RARE character so his inclusion would make two of my most wanted less likely since most people would be more than content with two characters. That said, if either gets in, I’ll still be happy for their fans like I was when we got Steve so I’ll manage.
 

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Spoiler tagged for the sake of not clogging up the thread with a massive post, my reactions to the reveals through Ultimate;

 

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I wounder who could be the next "Oh no..." character that could cause a fire in the community?
Maybe Fortnite?
Something new that kids like, like Fortnite.

And obviously Fire Emblem. It’d take a lot for an FE character to get a positive response from Smash fans these days.
 

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My reactions were:

:ultpiranha:: shrugs
:ultjoker:: Not another PlayStation character. This is worst than Cloud. Although, this time, my reaction wasn't out of pure anger.
:ulthero3:: It was just a matter of time.
:ultbanjokazooie:: FINALLY! I've been wanting this since the first game!
:ult_terry:: Cool. Didn't see this coming but I'm not surprised.
:ultbyleth:: Not interested.
:ultminmin: Not interested.
:ultsteve:: laughs at the Steve haters who thought he had no chance at getting in
:ultsephiroth:: Nice but not as hyped other as people are.
:ultpyra::ultmythra:: Not interested.
:ultkazuya:: He's okay.
:ultsora:: Wow! He actually made it in. Good...for his supporters, that is.
 
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I played them all multiple times and the DLC, just she seemed to me the most important character by design.
She was, Blue Lions and Golden Deer were made their own thing much later in development and it shows with how Claude got a church route copy and even Dimitri's route is still extremely similar to it.

The original intention with Edelgard was to be a rival character that could interact with Byleth's divine pulse ability then the devs gave her a route split then they decided to add BL and GD later. There's a reason the main theme of the game is a song sung from her PoV and she got an early merch push with the figma.

Is she? I thought the actual villain was Thales and Edleguard was as "duped" as everyone else? I am thinking of starting it up again lol.
Less duped and more Edelgard is in a position where she's more or less forced to work with him which she openly hates
 

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She was, Blue Lions and Golden Deer were made their own thing much later in development and it shows with how Claude got a church route copy and even Dimitri's route is still extremely similar to it.

The original intention with Edelgard was to be a rival character that could interact with Byleth's divine pulse ability then the devs gave her a route split then they decided to add BL and GD later. There's a reason the main theme of the game is a song sung from her PoV and she got an early merch push with the figma.
no CF was the late addition added after KT joined the dev team cause they liked her.
 

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Took a bit to write this out so I'm probably late as ****.

:ultpiranha: : Was tuning in and out because I had to get ready for a 2nd "job"/"internship" that I'm thankfully away from now, so when I saw it, I thought they were showing like a free bonus item or Assist that you could pick up and have bite people or set down to bite anyone that got near it. Then it acted more like a fighter and got a splash screen. I'd never laughed so much at a character reveal in my life from the sheer insanity of it.

:ultjoker: : Was working a shift at my old 1st job and wasn't really following the VGAs so I didn't see the reveal live. I checked Discord on some downtime and heard about Joker and my reaction was more of a "The Persona guy? Really? They added him? Alright then." Didn't really have any strong feelings one way or the other.

:ulthero: : Was watching during my current job with no sound and was having issues with the stream. "Ah there's Erdrick." Until it was shown to be the Luminary and I was like "No wait, it's Heccer (an inside joke between a couple people elsewhere on the Boards). Plop will be excited." Then the actual Erdrick showed up with the other Heros. "Ah, there's Erdrick."

:ultbanjokazooie: : "Wait, are they playing K. Rool's trailer? Is this a streaming error....? -the part with K. Rool with the Kongs is added- Ah, something new. A new enemy? -DK's house again- Ok...? -Jiggy- Ah, here's Banjo. So people were right about him showing up here."

:ult_terry:: Took a convenient break around this time to see the Direct. Went in expecting Terry due to the SNK Leak and Vergeben, so it was just a matter of waiting for him to be confirmed. So there was no surprise here, though was probably more "excited" about him than the other Fighter Pass DLC up to that point.

:ultbyleth:: A reveal so underwhelming after so much buildup that it straight up left me in a low mood the whole day. I wasn't "angry" like I was back with Corrin, just....disappointed.

:ultminmin : Was just glad to get it over with since the "guessing game" was too long. Not really much to say about her specifically, but her trailer made me think it was going to be Ribbon Girl at first since it obviously wasn't going to be Spring Man :V
.....I also dreaded how this gave ammunition to a certain sector of DLC speculation that had already become infamous for twisting everything to be how their character is all but confirmed and would spam about it in places. Won't name the character directly since my intention isn't to start something with the fanbase here, but it should be obvious who.

:ultsteve: : Was getting ready for work when this dropped. I collectively sighed and went on my day.

:ultsephiroth:: Took a break when the VGAs were going to start and watched while walking the building. Freaked out over hearing the first two notes of One-Winged Angel and was hyped the whole rest of the trailer since Sephiroth was someone I was predicting right before Min Min got revealed.

:ultpyra: : Watched the Nintendo Direct at my desk quietly. "Ah, some DLC expansion for Xenoblade 2, whatever." -then Pyra shows off the invitation- "Wait, what? Smash? She's there by herself? Odd, but alright."
:ultmythra: : "Oh that's what they're going for. Didn't think we'd get another Zelda/Sheik style ever since the split. Cool."

:ultkazuya: : Was home for the E3 Direct (because I broke my toe) so got to watch live with sound on. Not what I was expecting since Vergeben decided to tank his momentum with Master Chief. I believe my exact words regarding Kazuya once the closeup of his chest while carrying Ganondorf was "Jin? I thought Tekken already got a costume?" (I knew it was Kazuya, but in the heat of the moment, I mixed their names up). I thought it was cool, but I was kind of over the wild ride by this point.

:ultsora:: Was surprised this happened since I straight up didn't think Disney would ever cooperate, but otherwise was just a "meh" out of me. Objectively a good finale, but subjectively mediocre as far as I'm concerned since I couldn't care less about Kingdom Hearts.
 

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It’s time, everyone.
I like the idea of them being focused on spacing and having high mobility on paper as a counterpart to the Marth template, but I think the meter is just too strong for not much downside. The drawback of it not being chargable I feel doesn't work because it still just rewards failing to properly space and land effective hits in neutral, and since they have strong anti-camping tools and mobility, they can basically just freely control neutral the entire time, combined with their normals being safer on shield and the dash attack. It would make sense for them to have a meter, but I think its conditions would need to be adusted.

Beyond that I like the general format and emblems used. Hope 2B wins that poll, or Takamaru, I have specific ideas for how I'd want both to play.
 
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:ultpiranha: Hahahaha, what?!
:ultjoker: OH ****!
:ulthero: Nice!
:ultbanjokazooie: YEAH BABYYY
:ult_terry: Cool!
:ultbyleth: Pffftthhahaahhaha ok lol!

:ultminmin Nice!
:ultsteve: ....sigh ok
:ultsephiroth:WHAT?!
:ultpyra::ultmythra: Oh **** YEAH!
:ultkazuya:not jin
:ultsora:YEAH BABYYYY
 

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Took a bit to write this out so I'm probably late as ****.

:ultpiranha: : Was tuning in and out because I had to get ready for a 2nd "job"/"internship" that I'm thankfully away from now, so when I saw it, I thought they were showing like a free bonus item or Assist that you could pick up and have bite people or set down to bite anyone that got near it. Then it acted more like a fighter and got a splash screen. I'd never laughed so much at a character reveal in my life from the sheer insanity of it.

:ultjoker: : Was working a shift at my old 1st job and wasn't really following the VGAs so I didn't see the reveal live. I checked Discord on some downtime and heard about Joker and my reaction was more of a "The Persona guy? Really? They added him? Alright then." Didn't really have any strong feelings one way or the other.

:ulthero: : Was watching during my current job with no sound and was having issues with the stream. "Ah there's Erdrick." Until it was shown to be the Luminary and I was like "No wait, it's Heccer (an inside joke between a couple people elsewhere on the Boards). Plop will be excited." Then the actual Erdrick showed up with the other Heros. "Ah, there's Erdrick."

:ultbanjokazooie: : "Wait, are they playing K. Rool's trailer? Is this a streaming error....? -the part with K. Rool with the Kongs is added- Ah, something new. A new enemy? -DK's house again- Ok...? -Jiggy- Ah, here's Banjo. So people were right about him showing up here."

:ult_terry:: Took a convenient break around this time to see the Direct. Went in expecting Terry due to the SNK Leak and Vergeben, so it was just a matter of waiting for him to be confirmed. So there was no surprise here, though was probably more "excited" about him than the other Fighter Pass DLC up to that point.

:ultbyleth:: A reveal so underwhelming after so much buildup that it straight up left me in a low mood the whole day. I wasn't "angry" like I was back with Corrin, just....disappointed.

:ultminmin : Was just glad to get it over with since the "guessing game" was too long. Not really much to say about her specifically, but her trailer made me think it was going to be Ribbon Girl at first since it obviously wasn't going to be Spring Man :V
.....I also dreaded how this gave ammunition to a certain sector of DLC speculation that had already become infamous for twisting everything to be how their character is all but confirmed and would spam about it in places. Won't name the character directly since my intention isn't to start something with the fanbase here, but it should be obvious who.

:ultsteve: : Was getting ready for work when this dropped. I collectively sighed and went on my day.

:ultsephiroth:: Took a break when the VGAs were going to start and watched while walking the building. Freaked out over hearing the first two notes of One-Winged Angel and was hyped the whole rest of the trailer since Sephiroth was someone I was predicting right before Min Min got revealed.

:ultpyra: : Watched the Nintendo Direct at my desk quietly. "Ah, some DLC expansion for Xenoblade 2, whatever." -then Pyra shows off the invitation- "Wait, what? Smash? She's there by herself? Odd, but alright."
:ultmythra: : "Oh that's what they're going for. Didn't think we'd get another Zelda/Sheik style ever since the split. Cool."

:ultkazuya: : Was home for the E3 Direct (because I broke my toe) so got to watch live with sound on. Not what I was expecting since Vergeben decided to tank his momentum with Master Chief. I believe my exact words regarding Kazuya once the closeup of his chest while carrying Ganondorf was "Jin? I thought Tekken already got a costume?" (I knew it was Kazuya, but in the heat of the moment, I mixed their names up). I thought it was cool, but I was kind of over the wild ride by this point.

:ultsora:: Was surprised this happened since I straight up didn't think Disney would ever cooperate, but otherwise was just a "meh" out of me. Objectively a good finale, but subjectively mediocre as far as I'm concerned since I couldn't care less about Kingdom Hearts.
Lol you seem to mostly be working or otherwise engaged when they reveal, maybe during smash 6 you can get some time off :p
 
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:ultpiranha: : I was actually kinda mad at this lol. I warmed up to him since, through!
:ultjoker: : Kinda hype even throuhg i never played Persona 5, the trailer was cool
:ulthero2: : DQ8 is my favourite game of all time, nuff said lol.
:ultbanjokazooie: : Okay
:ult_terry: : "Who?" "He's kinda cool"
:ultbyleth: : Dissapointing but understable

:ultminmin : Confused why ARMS got a rep, but thinking it was cool anyways.
:ultsteve: : WHAT
:ultsephiroth: : WHAT
:ultpyra: : Okay
:ultkazuya: : Oh, that's cool.
:ultsora: : WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
 

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I literally laughed out loud when plant was revealed. I was honestly pretty happy because it meant smash could still add characters that were a complete surprise to me, smash speculation has been preyty samey for a while with the usual few characters getting brought up over and over. I wasnt really familiar with most of the other DLC besides banjo and sora so my reaction to them was just spending the next few days learning what the games they were from were about, which was fun in its own way.

But man the feeling that "If piranha plant can get in, that means ANYONE can, right?" was great. They didnt add any other dlc on the same level of weirdness, but its nice to know they could. (My never-gonna-happen pick is spelunky guy, his moveset basically makes itself)
 
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