Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[BritishGuy54]

I can imagine Chun-Li and Shadow being a double header in a Nintendo Direct.

I think in terms of third parties in the base game, that’ll do. Two hugely iconic series getting more content that they sorely need.

 

[Gengar84]

I can imagine Chun-Li and Shadow being a double header in a Nintendo Direct.

I think in terms of third parties in the base game, that’ll do. Two hugely iconic series getting more content that they sorely need.

Yeah, I think it’s a toss up between Chun-Li and Zero. I’m leaning towards Zero because he’s already an Assist Trophy and Street Fighter has two characters compared to Mega Man’s one. I could see either one though.

 

[BuckleyTim]

I do think the Capcom discussions tend to leave out Dante, though.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I do think the Capcom discussions tend to leave out Dante, though.

I think its a coin toss between him and Phoenix Wright. Whichever Sakurai finds funnier to watch

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I do think the Capcom discussions tend to leave out Dante, though.

Sakurai said Dante was a heavily requested fighter after the Mii Costume reveal, I think he'll be making it in Smash 6 at some point. If he doesn't then well...

Wunderwaft BTW nice profile pic

 

[Louie G.]

I do think the Capcom discussions tend to leave out Dante, though.

I’ll gladly welcome Dante being an underdog prospect over how much we needed to hear about him during Ultimate DLC (lol).

Personally I’ve grown to find him probably the most likely Capcom prospect from a new IP. Out of everyone whose fan demand surged post-ballot, Dante feels like the one with the strongest visibility and equivalent east and west pull. But the way I see it I think he’s more DLC material (I mean, look at him) and someone like Chun-Li is a safer base game grab.

Monster Hunter is a good prospect as well but I err on the side of caution since they were skipped over through all of Ultimate… new information and success has risen since them to urge them to reconsider but if it doesn’t happen this time then something is in the water. Resident Evil should reasonably be a strong candidate but I worry Sakurai may not feel he can do it justice.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Well, I guess it was. But the color scheme is different.

It's red and white, isn't it? Looks the same to me. Just more detailed on the Famicom boxart.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I think Dante is DLC next game. Maybe it's Ultimate bias but that sorta feels like the context he's most appropriate in, if that makes sense? It felt like he wasn't really a factor in discussion during base game, and then skyrocketed in popularity once DLC was announced. I'd be surprised if Nintendo decided not follow through on all those requests to give them 5$.

I am notoriously a Phoenix Wright stan so I would rather see that happen, an evidence based mechanic better executed than Velma's in Multiversus would be cool. I also just want a courtroom stage and AA music. An Edgeworth Echo Fighter (sorry Apollo) is my pipiest of pipe dreams.

Monster Hunter is interesting, since it's had miis since Smash 4 and Rathalos in base Ultimate. I kinda prefer the devs leaning into the armor and Monster side of the games rather than giving a character slot to 'avatar dude with weapons' but seeing as how Steve was maybe my childhood dream character I can't complain. It would be cool to have a stage we could see outside boss fights though.

 

[NotGenerico]

I’ll gladly welcome Dante being an underdog prospect over how much we needed to hear about him during Ultimate DLC (lol).

Personally I’ve grown to find him probably the most likely Capcom prospect from a new IP. Out of everyone whose fan demand surged post-ballot, Dante feels like the one with the strongest visibility and equivalent east and west pull. But the way I see it I think he’s more DLC material (I mean, look at him) and someone like Chun-Li is a safer base game grab.

Monster Hunter is a good prospect as well but I err on the side of caution since they were skipped over through all of Ultimate… new information and success has risen since them to urge them to reconsider but if it doesn’t happen this time then something is in the water. Resident Evil should reasonably be a strong candidate but I worry Sakurai may not feel he can do it justice.

I agree with the idea that Dante seems more like a DLC type of character. Those usually have some sort of gimmick and he'd fit the bill with all of the crazy stuff he can do.

On the other hand, I could see Zero, Chun-li or Monster Hunter as base roster newcomers.

 

[Laniv]

I feel like Monster Hunter is going to get at least a stage next game. After that, they might get a fighter as DLC

I am notoriously a Phoenix Wright stan so I would rather see that happen, an evidence based mechanic better executed than Velma's in Multiversus would be cool. I also just want a courtroom stage and AA music. An Edgeworth Echo Fighter (sorry Apollo) is my pipiest of pipe dreams.

Phoenix having better defensive options and Edgeworth having higher damage output is a really clever way to go about it

 

[Shinuto]

Posting since some people posted I about but here's the new version of 4chan archive site used for the v board. We can keep track of "leaks" for s**** and giggles now again.

/v/ - Video Games

arch.b4k.dev

 

[dezeray112]

I can imagine Chun-Li and Shadow being a double header in a Nintendo Direct.

I think in terms of third parties in the base game, that’ll do. Two hugely iconic series getting more content that they sorely need.

I'm with you in which I think Chun-Li and Shadow are both safe choices.

Anyways, I predict within April's Switch 2 Direct that there could potentially be at least a small tease trailer shown similar to the one they did for Ultimate and then a full reveal by June.

 

[PeridotGX]

I was just checking Sakurai's twitter profile and I saw this very real and true tweet.

Unfortunately i don't speak japanese, so i have no idea what it means. Could someone translate?

 

[Megadoomer]

I was just checking Sakurai's twitter profile and I saw this very real and true tweet.
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Unfortunately i don't speak japanese, so i have no idea what it means. Could someone translate?

"Bonjour, je m'appelle Masahiro Sakurai. Nous ajoutons Vectorman (le roi des rois) comme combattant dans le nouveau "Super Smash Bros." Il est plus fort que Dieu et ne sera jamais affaibli. S'il vous plaît, comprenez."

I think it means that they're adding Knack from the hit video game "Knack 2".

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Real talk if Sakurai could post a picture of two or three oddly colored pieces of furniture with a vague statement attached I'm sure New Smash Speculation would pop out of thin air.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I was just checking Sakurai's twitter profile and I saw this very real and true tweet.
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Unfortunately i don't speak japanese, so i have no idea what it means. Could someone translate?

Holy ****, we found the best Smash Bros. leak of all time. The new Gematsu.

 

[ninjahmos]

It's red and white, isn't it? Looks the same to me. Just more detailed on the Famicom boxart.

OK, but see how a few parts of his clothing are blue? I don't think there was any blue in his in-game design.

 

[BrawlX10]

so def/prob Sol Badguy right? since Guilty Gear was recently added to switch and its like the last big fighting game they still need to add to their roster.

I personally see Sol Badguy more of a DLC pick than a base game pick.
For base game i think Monster Hunter and Resident Evil for new series and Shadow and Chun-li for already repped ones might be the most likely. I also think there's a posibility of a Undertale character as base game, probably more likely as DLC, but i think it could work as a base game pick to hype people a lot with how well recived the sans costume was.

 

[Louie G.]

As for Phoenix, I'm just a little way of him. I actually think he must have had pretty substantial ballot support, his community push is surprisingly longstanding compared to his contemporaries. Probably just since Ace Attorney is so closely associated with Nintendo, so back during Smash 4 when our focus was firmly on these characters with the closest ties he was a sensible choice.

Not to say that he isn't a good choice nowadays, I think he is. But with so much inter-company competition from other characters who present more obvious moveset potential and fighting prowess, he might struggle to stand out as the clear choice without a popularity that eclipses all the others. And while his supporters are still fairly vocal, I don't know if it's the kind of Banjo-level support that triumphs over similarly popular faces like Dante or Monster Hunter if weighing out their options.

His unorthodox style may work as a positive too though - perhaps Sakurai is specifically driven by the challenge to make such a relatively grounded character work. But with that in mind I think Phoenix kind of lives and dies off how base game plays out. I don't see Nintendo advocating too strongly for him compared to Sakurai's own sense of inspiration... we look back at Ultimate DLC, and most of those characters do demonstrate some more obvious "fighter essence". It's my understanding that Nintendo's picks err a little on the safer side this way even if many weren't explicitly on the community radar.

But we do have MVC3 as a reference point.... for better or worse? I feel like as much as this gives us a basis to work off and say Phoenix can work in a fighting game, it feels very un-Smashlike to lift a gimmick or moveset from a separate crossover. I think if Phoenix was in Smash, they'd be coming up with a completely new spin on it. But lifting a few attacks is fair game, Mega Man gets his uppercut for example.

 

[ninjahmos]

I agree that Shadow and Chun-Li might be the most likely base third-party newcomers. Both of their franchises could definitely use some more content, especially music.

And, if not Chun-Li, then it could be either Monster Hunter or a Resident Evil character. Or even Zero.

 

[Gengar84]

Yeah, my only hesitancy about Chun-Li is she’d be the only character in the game to be a third representative of their series for third party. Not to say that it can’t happen, just that I feel like they might prioritize a series with fewer characters. She is definitely deserving and I could still see it happen but I feel more confident in Zero, considering he’s already in Smash as an Assist Trophy and Mega Man only has one character right now.

 

[Gorgonzales]

The Dante talk made me think of a meme that I just had to bring to reality because it was so ridiculous.

"We sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding."

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yeah, my only hesitancy about Chun-Li is she’d be the only character in the game to be a third representative of their series for third party. Not to say that it can’t happen, just that I feel like they might prioritize a series with fewer characters. She is definitely deserving and I could still see it happen but I feel more confident in Zero, considering he’s already in Smash as an Assist Trophy and Mega Man only has one character right now.

Yeah but this is under the impression that Darth's dream of EIH2 happens. If Ken gets cut, then Street Fighter would only have two if Chun-Li gets added.

And if you discount Echoes, Final Fantasy is the ONLY third-party with more than one representative so I don't see the harm of Street Fighter having one more.

 

[BritishGuy54]

Yeah, my only hesitancy about Chun-Li is she’d be the only character in the game to be a third representative of their series for third party. Not to say that it can’t happen, just that I feel like they might prioritize a series with fewer characters. She is definitely deserving and I could still see it happen but I feel more confident in Zero, considering he’s already in Smash as an Assist Trophy and Mega Man only has one character right now.

I could see it happening if gets cut.

I think even general audiences questioned why Ken was included at all over Chun-Li.

 

[dezeray112]

I could see Guilty Gear's Sol Badguy either as a base or DLC character.

If there are ones that I could possibly see coming through the DLC route, I'd say that could be reserved for another SNK rep and maybe another Tekken character along with a Virtua Fighter character?

 

[Gengar84]

Yeah but this is under the impression that Darth's dream of EIH2 happens. If Ken gets cut, then Street Fighter would only have two if Chun-Li gets added.

And if you discount Echoes, Final Fantasy is the ONLY third-party with more than one representative so I don't see the harm of Street Fighter having one more.

That’s a good point. I do feel like Ken is likely to come back if Ryu does since echoes are generally less resource intensive but it’s not guaranteed. I suppose we could potentially get Alucard over Richter in a similar scenario. Richter is more of a straight copy than Ken so I don’t see much reason to remove him and keep Simon but anything is possible.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Yeah but this is under the impression that Darth's dream of EIH2 happens. If Ken gets cut, then Street Fighter would only have two if Chun-Li gets added.

And if you discount Echoes, Final Fantasy is the ONLY third-party with more than one representative so I don't see the harm of Street Fighter having one more.

counterpoint, its street fighter, this series always has tons of representation when involved in crossovers

 

[Shinuto]

The Dante talk made me think of a meme that I just had to bring to reality because it was so ridiculous.

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"We sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding."

You had Shantae right there and you went with a less rhyme sounding name?!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

counterpoint, its street fighter, this series always has tons of representation when involved in crossovers

Being fair, a notable amount of the crossovers they're involved in are developed by Capcom

That's like saying we shouldn't have a lot of Nintendo characters because they have a ton of representation in a Nintendo-published crossover.

 

[Gorgonzales]

You had Shantae right there and you went with a less rhyme sounding name?!

...I'm disappointed with myself for not taking that opportunity.

 

[BrawlX10]

I could see Guilty Gear's Sol Badguy either as a base or DLC character.

If there are ones that I could possibly see coming through the DLC route, I'd say that could be reserved for another SNK rep and maybe another Tekken character along with a Virtua Fighter character?

Another character that i can see as DLC is a Genshin Impact character, not terribly likely mind you, but i think it's got some merits to be considered, like league it's got a huge playerbase as well, obviously probably not as many players as LoL, but still lots of people play Genshin.
Even though i personally dont like the Genshin fanbase, the game itself is ok to me.

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah, my only hesitancy about Chun-Li is she’d be the only character in the game to be a third representative of their series for third party. Not to say that it can’t happen, just that I feel like they might prioritize a series with fewer characters. She is definitely deserving and I could still see it happen but I feel more confident in Zero, considering he’s already in Smash as an Assist Trophy and Mega Man only has one character right now.

The flaw in this line of thinking I feel, aside from the fact that Ken is technically an echo fighter, is that it erases Chun-Li's value as a standalone character.

In my eyes the initiative for Street Fighter is unique. Unlike how the conversation is posed around Sonic, it's not so much out of a perceived obligation to add another character. Instead it is centralized on Chun-Li, who is herself one of the most important and popular characters absent from the roster period. She is an icon whose crossover appeal is palpable in simply being there to fight Peach or Samus. She is a Capcom mascot equivalent, not secondary, to Mega Man or Ryu.

No disrespect to Zero, but he doesn't really have that. I think he'd be a great choice too, but it's really not as simple as making sure everyone gets their turn first... I mean, if we got a wholly unique Zero, that actually puts Mega Man a cut above Street Fighter for having two unique characters instead of an echo. It's never gonna be a neat and tidy, equally fair distribution of characters so I dunno. I doubt they're too hung up on it. Not saying it can't happen but I think "Zero is more likely because SF has two characters already" is a big oversimplification.

 

[Gengar84]

The flaw in this line of thinking I feel, aside from the fact that Ken is technically an echo fighter, is that it erases Chun-Li's value as a standalone character.

In my eyes the initiative for Street Fighter is unique. Unlike how the conversation is posed around Sonic, it's not so much out of a perceived obligation to add another character. Instead it is centralized on Chun-Li, who is herself one of the most important and popular characters absent from the roster period. She is an icon whose crossover appeal is palpable in simply being there to fight Peach or Samus. She is a Capcom mascot equivalent, not secondary to, Mega Man or Ryu.

No disrespect to Zero, but he doesn't really have that. I think he'd be a great choice too, but it's really not as simple as making sure everyone gets their turn first... I mean, if we got a wholly unique Zero, that actually puts Mega Man a cut above Street Fighter for having two unique characters instead of an echo. It's never gonna be a neat and tidy, equally fair distribution of characters so I dunno. I doubt they're too hung up on it. Not saying it can't happen but I think "Zero is more likely because SF has two characters already" is a big oversimplification.

Fair enough. Like I said, Chun-Li is deserving and can definitely still happen. She’s more than earned her spot on her own merits. That said, that wasn’t my only reasoning for Zero though. He’s also already in Smash as an Assist Trophy while Street Fighter went with Guile over Chun-Li. This is all mostly baseless speculation so I fully admit I could be wrong. That’s just what my gut is telling me right now.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I don't see us getting three characters of any 3rd party series, barring Sonic maybe getting a surprise glowup with a new character and Shadow echo.

Our Base game third party choices tend be characters with massive popularity, some also being considered a nes icon. It's hard to tell if this track record will hold up.


There really isn't much information to go off of with these 7, but it's worth noting Konami hasn't had a single DLC rep and 2/3 of Capcom'd reps were base roster. Definitely speaks to the idea that some characters are easier to get ahold of than others, although Sakurai is more than willing to pull a few strings.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

He’s also already in Smash as an Assist Trophy while Street Fighter went with Guile over Chun-Li.

The idea that Guile is more iconic because he was picked over Chun-Li is hilarious. It's probably not what you meant but it could still be interpreted that way.

I'm sure the real reason is simply because the guy doesn't have enough specials for a full moveset, even when factoring in a Focus Attack. So he's in the weird limbo where he's iconic enough to warrant being in Smash but doesn't have enough for a traditional Smash moveset.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Real talk if Sakurai could post a picture of two or three oddly colored pieces of furniture with a vague statement attached I'm sure New Smash Speculation would pop out of thin air.

And most likely lead to absolutely nothing but fiery debates over a theory that eventually turns out to be wrong.

So yeah, standard Smash speculation.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Now that Mai has an official outfit for good girls and boys, I wonder if they'll add her to the KoF stage.

I agree that Shadow and Chun-Li might be the most likely base third-party newcomers. Both of their franchises could definitely use some more content, especially music.

And, if not Chun-Li, then it could be either Monster Hunter or a Resident Evil character. Or even Zero.

 

[Louie G.]

I don't see us getting three characters of any 3rd party series, barring Sonic maybe getting a surprise glowup with a new character and Shadow echo.

I'm ngl, you kinda shot your argument in the foot by saying "...except Sonic". Like, Street Fighter has an echo fighter already and Chun-Li is at least as popular as any given Sonic character. What makes Sonic the exception? If anything, citing this steadier progression off one unique character and one echo fighter toward a new face in Chun-Li or Alucard makes way more sense.

Not to hound on you for it, because it's rampant in the entire community, but Sonic being put aside as this series capable of extra special treatment is completely made up through community biases. Sephiroth got in before a second Sonic character, Richter and Ken got in before Shadow. If there's a chance Sonic can work up to three characters then there is just as strong a chance that Street Fighter, Castlevania or Final Fantasy could too.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I don't see us getting three characters of any 3rd party series, barring Sonic maybe getting a surprise glowup with a new character and Shadow echo.

Solution: Nintendo/Capcom merger!

Then my entire Capcom vs. Capcom roster becomes 1st Party!

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm sure the real reason is simply because the guy doesn't have enough specials for a full moveset, even when factoring in a Focus Attack. So he's in the weird limbo where he's iconic enough to warrant being in Smash but doesn't have enough for a traditional Smash moveset.

That and the AT feels like they were aiming to parody how Guile is traditionally played, while I think Chun-Li would just be your standard "run around and do random attacks" assist.