Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Master Hero Sock-on-Rye]

Assuming there will be another "free" early adopter character like there was in the last two games, who do you think has a shot?
For Sm4sh it was if you bought both versions and for Ultimate it was if you registered to MyNintendo.
So we have a highly requested veteran who didn't make the cut and a not highly requested but still recognizable newcomer (who was also the "wierd pick"), both first party. Since we don't know who's gonna be cut this time around (if any) I'll go off the second option and say Toad. Even though he isn't a"wierd pick" in the slightest, I think that would satisfy most people as a lukewarm newcomer who most people could go with or without.

Let's see here. The past two early adopter characters were additions from established IPs, one veteran and one newcomer, who some fans could recognize while others would be surprised by.

Hear me out, but if the game wasn't delisted, I'd actually vouch for Euden from Dragalia Lost in this instance.

 

[ninjahmos]

It probably won't happen, but I'd love to hear a new arrangement of the Starman Theme (as in the item) and a new remix of the SMBDX Credits Theme for the next game.

 

[Kirbeh]

Assuming there will be another "free" early adopter character like there was in the last two games, who do you think has a shot?
For Sm4sh it was if you bought both versions and for Ultimate it was if you registered to MyNintendo.
So we have a highly requested veteran who didn't make the cut and a not highly requested but still recognizable newcomer (who was also the "wierd pick"), both first party. Since we don't know who's gonna be cut this time around (if any) I'll go off the second option and say Toad. Even though he isn't a"wierd pick" in the slightest, I think that would satisfy most people as a lukewarm newcomer who most people could go with or without.

Highly requested vet, then surprise weirdo. If they keep up the early adopter "bonus" character, I'll say the next one will a requested newcomer.

Part of me wants to say Waluigi. I feel like going the entire pre-release marketing without showing off his AT only to show him dead last as playable but still missing the boat for base game is a very Sakurai move.

The other part of me wants Petey as a direct follow up to Plant. No particular reason. It would be a fun evolution of his roles at least. From boss to FS to fighter.

Depending on who's cut though, I could se3 it being another popular vet that doesn't make it into base.

Final answer actually: some sort of character promotion. Could be a boss, AT, Pokeball or Mii costume but it'll be someone who has "gotten in" at some point in some way, just not in the fighter role as of yet.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Assuming there will be another "free" early adopter character like there was in the last two games, who do you think has a shot?
For Sm4sh it was if you bought both versions and for Ultimate it was if you registered to MyNintendo.
So we have a highly requested veteran who didn't make the cut and a not highly requested but still recognizable newcomer (who was also the "wierd pick"), both first party. Since we don't know who's gonna be cut this time around (if any) I'll go off the second option and say Toad. Even though he isn't a"wierd pick" in the slightest, I think that would satisfy most people as a lukewarm newcomer who most people could go with or without.

On the assumption that it isn't a veteran that missed the boat because of a potential rework and there's actually hidden fighters again (so the "surprise character" isn't public knowledge before release)?

This might be a good place to put Waluigi.

 

[The Prankster 16]

On the assumption that it isn't a veteran that missed the boat because of a potential rework and there's actually hidden fighters again (so the "surprise character" isn't public knowledge before release)?

This might be a good place to put Waluigi.

Idk I feel he's too big and requested as a newcomer to be relegated to free bonus character. He'd either have to be base game or DLC.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Idk I feel he's too big and requested as a newcomer to be relegated to free bonus character. He'd either have to be base game or DLC.

So was Mewtwo.

Like it's not an exaggeration that he was one of the most requested characters for Smash For in general in spite of being a veteran.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Assuming there will be another "free" early adopter character like there was in the last two games, who do you think has a shot?
For Sm4sh it was if you bought both versions and for Ultimate it was if you registered to MyNintendo.
So we have a highly requested veteran who didn't make the cut and a not highly requested but still recognizable newcomer (who was also the "wierd pick"), both first party. Since we don't know who's gonna be cut this time around (if any) I'll go off the second option and say Toad. Even though he isn't a"wierd pick" in the slightest, I think that would satisfy most people as a lukewarm newcomer who most people could go with or without.

Assuming they don't make the base roster; Dixie, Impa, Funky, Bandana Dee or yes indeed Toad. Paper Mario or Waluigi are also good choices.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

SUTTE HAKKUN MADE IT TO NSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAKKUN IS COMING TO SMASH BROS YALL AIN'T READY!!!!

 

[dream1ng]

I agree, Waluigi is the most requested first-party newcomer, and is of an increasingly small group of first-parties that will appeal widely to both the casual and the hardcore Smash demographics. Relegating him to post-launch DLC incentive would be a misuse of the character's promotional potential imo.

There are many characters that will be able to fill Mewtwo's Smash 4 place if they cut a bunch of characters from base who later show up as DLC. Far fewer who can function in the role of the big cross-audience first-party these days. And unlike Mewtwo, I doubt Waluigi isn't planned from the beginning.

 

[ninjahmos]

I think it'd be pretty funny if they added the Mega Mushroom for the next game, which they probably won't.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I really want the Warriors Orochi 3 version of Unbreakable Determination if we get Ryu Hyabusa in Smash. Even better if we get Lu Bu as DLC down the line.

That's my favorite version of Unbreakable Determination/4-2/Basilisk Minefield.

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.

Battleship Dodriguez [Contra]
Graveyard [Ghosts 'n Goblins]
Millennium Tower Rooftop [Like A Dragon]
The Village [Resident Evil]
Courtroom [Ace Attorney]

 

[HyperSomari64]

I think it'd be pretty funny if they added the Mega Mushroom for the next game, which they probably won't.

If it also needs the Mini Mushroom as an item

 

[Thegameandwatch]

I think it'd be pretty funny if they added the Mega Mushroom for the next game, which they probably won't.

It would be cool as a Final Smash for Mario. It would essentially be identical to how it works on NSMB on DS. The Mega Mushroom would make Mario giant and allow Mario to instantly KOs any opponent by him simply touching them. Also plays the music from that game.

Superstar is more iconic but it would be boring since it just make Mario invincible. Its also already an item.

Both ideas are still better than Mario Finale which just exists for the e3 trailer.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I agree, Waluigi is the most requested first-party newcomer, and is of an increasingly small group of first-parties that will appeal widely to both the casual and the hardcore Smash demographics. Relegating him to post-launch DLC incentive would be a misuse of the character's promotional potential imo.

There are many characters that will be able to fill Mewtwo's Smash 4 place if they cut a bunch of characters from base who later show up as DLC. Far fewer who can function in the role of the big cross-audience first-party these days. And unlike Mewtwo, I doubt Waluigi isn't planned from the beginning.

Honestly I'm wondering...

Considering the first "early adopter" bonus was Mewtwo who had a brief showcase of his model, and Plant, who had a fully in-game trailer rather than a cinematic, I almost wonder if we should be looking at characters that it would be hard to build a trailer around.

Obviously veterans would probably count for that, but I moreso mean in terms of if it's a newcomer.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think it'd be pretty funny if they added the Mega Mushroom for the next game, which they probably won't.

I'd say they haven't already only because the Mushroom item does the same thing already, and while the Mega Mushroom could bring that to an amusing extreme, it'd probably come at the cost of being usable in normal gameplay.

Honestly I'm wondering...

Considering the first "early adopter" bonus was Mewtwo who had a brief showcase of his model, and Plant, who had a fully in-game trailer rather than a cinematic, I almost wonder if we should be looking at characters that it would be hard to build a trailer around.

Obviously veterans would probably count for that, but I moreso mean in terms of if it's a newcomer.

Mewtwo I think was revealed the way he was because he was so unfinished. That and none of SSB4's DLC newcomers had a CGI trailer barring Corrin who literally just reused an existing cutscene.

Piranha Plant is an actual outlier here since Ultimate's DLC did get CGI trailers, but I think overall it has more to do with budget and how far along the character is rather than creativity on Sakurai's part.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Mewtwo I think was revealed the way he was because he was so unfinished. That and none of SSB4's DLC newcomers had a CGI trailer barring Corrin who literally just reused an existing cutscene.

Piranha Plant is an actual outlier here since Ultimate's DLC did get CGI trailers, but I think overall it has more to do with budget and how far along the character is rather than creativity on Sakurai's part.

Probably for Mewtwo since I think he was mid-development at that point, but now this has me thinking about potential newcomers that it might be hard to make a trailer for lol

 

[dream1ng]

Honestly I'm wondering...

Considering the first "early adopter" bonus was Mewtwo who had a brief showcase of his model, and Plant, who had a fully in-game trailer rather than a cinematic, I almost wonder if we should be looking at characters that it would be hard to build a trailer around.

Obviously veterans would probably count for that, but I moreso mean in terms of if it's a newcomer.

I think that's a red herring. Mewtwo wasn't far enough in production for a real trailer, and for Smash 4 they probably didn't have the budget or foresight of Ultimate's DLC trailers like how Joker was also too early for gameplay but could still have a more highly-produced trailer.

Mewtwo would eventually get a trailer more on par with the other 4 DLC, he was just already known by then.

And then for Plant, tbh... it's PP, and the CGI trailers are no doubt costly, so that was probably just a budget-saving maneuver.

I think it was other factors which resulted in their situations, not a lack of being able to devise a fuller trailer. I mean, not every reveal trailer has to be as elaborate as like, Sephiroth's or Terry's anyway... some end up simpler and shorter like Steve's or Kazuya's.

 

[Ivander]

You know what I'm hoping for. That if the next Smash Bros. brings back Stage Builder, I just want a plain block texture and a pixel block texture that you can edit to be any color to make it easier to create stages with the right colors. Because not only would it be nice to actually have a stage builder texture just able to be colored anything and look plain normal compared to being restricted to the textures in Smash Ultimate, one of the things I did alot for Smash 4 and a bit for Smash Ultimate was try to make NES & SNES Stages. I basically looked at video game stage maps and then tried to re-create them to some extent. The two easiest ones I did for both were Vegetable Valley from Kirby's Adventure and the World 1 Airship from Super Mario Bros. 3.

But regardless, my OCD always made it hard to do Stage builder in Ultimate because of the textures being fixed to certain colors and the layers being off-putting when looking at them from a top-down angle(really need the layers to connect/match up better next game). The Data bar making it harder to do big stages with a lot of details didn't help either.
The rumored Mouse feature will certainly make some things easier to make and whatnot, but as I stated, besides making it much easier to add details to stages without getting punished by the data bar thing, the thing I'm really hoping for is that we get a plain block texture and a potential Pixel block option or something like that that can be made any color to allow for maximum detail potential. A Pixel background(or something to help with pixels like a complete black or blue background like what you would see in the background of most NES games) would also be nice. Cause I'd love to be able to create NES/SNES/Genesis stages in Stage Builder.

 

[MBRedboy31]

You know what I'm hoping for. That if the next Smash Bros. brings back Stage Builder, I just want a plain block texture and a pixel block texture that you can edit to be any color to make it easier to create stages with the right colors. Because not only would it be nice to actually have a stage builder texture just able to be colored anything and look plain normal compared to being restricted to the textures in Smash Ultimate, one of the things I did alot for Smash 4 and a bit for Smash Ultimate was try to make NES & SNES Stages. I basically looked at video game stage maps and then tried to re-create them to some extent. The two easiest ones I did for both were Vegetable Valley from Kirby's Adventure and the World 1 Airship from Super Mario Bros. 3.

But regardless, my OCD always made it hard to do Stage builder in Ultimate because of the textures being fixed to certain colors and the layers being off-putting when looking at them from a top-down angle(really need the layers to connect/match up better next game). The Data bar making it harder to do big stages with a lot of details didn't help either.
The rumored Mouse feature will certainly make some things easier to make and whatnot, but as I stated, besides making it much easier to add details to stages without getting punished by the data bar thing, the thing I'm really hoping for is that we get a plain block texture and a potential Pixel block option or something like that that can be made any color to allow for maximum detail potential. A Pixel background would also be nice. Cause I'd love to be able to create NES/SNES/Genesis stages in Stage Builder.

In addition to all that, one thing that bothers me is that none of the materials in Ultimate right now are orange. If I ever want to make a stage based on Buizel or Plessie or something, I’m out of luck.
I do think it’s neat that there's a big variety of materials rather than just really simple ones, but having lots of materials and having them be recolorable would be great!

 

[P4ST4N4G4]

I would like to get both Satellaview Zelda games officially, then we could get them with their full dubs as intended.
Maybe they could even retain their timer functionality to time events and incentivize people to play on different days and on different hours of the day.

 

[Geno Boost]

SUTTE HAKKUN MADE IT TO NSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAKKUN IS COMING TO SMASH BROS YALL AIN'T READY!!!!

hakkun would be inklings worst nightmare he sucks color

 

[Gengar84]

You know what I'm hoping for. That if the next Smash Bros. brings back Stage Builder, I just want a plain block texture and a pixel block texture that you can edit to be any color to make it easier to create stages with the right colors. Because not only would it be nice to actually have a stage builder texture just able to be colored anything and look plain normal compared to being restricted to the textures in Smash Ultimate, one of the things I did alot for Smash 4 and a bit for Smash Ultimate was try to make NES & SNES Stages. I basically looked at video game stage maps and then tried to re-create them to some extent. The two easiest ones I did for both were Vegetable Valley from Kirby's Adventure and the World 1 Airship from Super Mario Bros. 3.

But regardless, my OCD always made it hard to do Stage builder in Ultimate because of the textures being fixed to certain colors and the layers being off-putting when looking at them from a top-down angle(really need the layers to connect/match up better next game). The Data bar making it harder to do big stages with a lot of details didn't help either.
The rumored Mouse feature will certainly make some things easier to make and whatnot, but as I stated, besides making it much easier to add details to stages without getting punished by the data bar thing, the thing I'm really hoping for is that we get a plain block texture and a potential Pixel block option or something like that that can be made any color to allow for maximum detail potential. A Pixel background(or something to help with pixels like a complete black or blue background like what you would see in the background of most NES games) would also be nice. Cause I'd love to be able to create NES/SNES/Genesis stages in Stage Builder.

Yeah, I’d love if they took the best parts of Beawl’s and Ultimate’s Stage Builder and built from there. Brawl’s was definitely easier to use but I found it harder to replicate specific aesthetics from retro games compared to Ultimate. I was able to make pretty good looking stages in Ultimate all things considered but the limitations do suck and it’s definitely harder to use. I agree at the very least we should be able to change colors of materials and set spawn points. It would be nice if we could select any background in the game too. I do wish there was some way to make the stages feel more natural and less like cardboard cutouts from a diorama but I’m not sure how they’d do that. I’d love to see Brawl’s props come back too.

 

[Garteam]

Waluigi is, IMO, the most likely newcomer, bar none. He's the most popular character request generally, he's had an absurd amount of character support for about 6 years now, he's very famous with a general audience by virtue of being part of Mario's regular cast, and he hits an ideal sweet-spot of having a ton of source material to refer to and a lot of creative latitude in how to actually put everything together.

If Waluigi is not, I genuinely don't see which newcomers could be in.

 

[Gengar84]

Waluigi is, IMO, the most likely newcomer, bar none. He's the most popular character request bar none, he's had an absurd amount of character support for about 6 years now, he's very famous with a general audience by virtue of being part of Mario's regular cast, and he hits an ideal sweet-spot of having a ton of source material to refer to and a lot of creative latitude in how to actually put everything together.

If Waluigi is not, I genuinely don't see which newcomers could be in.

I think he’s very likely but I’d say Octoling beats him in that category. Splatoon has been a huge success and Nintendo is sure to want to keep that going with another Smash character. Octoling would also be relatively to implement as they’d be anywhere from an echo to an Isabelle style semiclone.

 

[PeridotGX]

Waluigi is, IMO, the most likely newcomer, bar none. He's the most popular character request generally, he's had an absurd amount of character support for about 6 years now, he's very famous with a general audience by virtue of being part of Mario's regular cast, and he hits an ideal sweet-spot of having a ton of source material to refer to and a lot of creative latitude in how to actually put everything together.

If Waluigi is not, I genuinely don't see which newcomers could be in.

These are the characters I think are pretty much locks (I'd give them over a 95% chance if RTC was still a thing)

• Waluigi
• New Animal Crossing character
• Octoling
• New Pokemon
• Legonis (Astral Chain)
• Ring Fit Adventure character
• Undertale/Deltarune character

And there are a few characters that I think are extremely likely, but I hesitate to call them locks (probably like an 80% in RTC)

• Bandana Dee
• New Xenoblade character
• New Sonic character
• Sol Badguy

Of course, going into Ultimate I thought Decidueye and Bandana Dee were locks, so my radar on this sort of thing is way off.

 

[Gengar84]

These are the characters I think are pretty much locks (I'd give them over a 95% chance if RTC was still a thing)

• Waluigi
• New Animal Crossing character
• Octoling
• New Pokemon
• Legonis (Astral Chain)
• Ring Fit Adventure character
• Undertale/Deltarune character

And there are a few characters that I think are extremely likely, but I hesitate to call them locks (probably like an 80% in RTC)

• Bandana Dee
• New Xenoblade character
• New Sonic character
• Sol Badguy

Of course, going into Ultimate I thought Decidueye and Bandana Dee were locks, so my radar on this sort of thing is way off.

Interesting you put Officer Howard, Undertale and Sol Badguy so high. I feel like Astral Chain is a bit too small to be considered a lock, especially taking into account all the issues with Platinum. I don’t think I’m confident enough to put any third party character at 80% and Sol does have a lot of competition if they want another fighting game character. Undertale is a very popular indie game and got some attention in Ultimate but I’d hesitate to call it a lock. They’d all be pretty cool and Officer Howard is one of my most wanted first party characters but I’m not quite as confident in them. They could definitely still happen though.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

These are the characters I think are pretty much locks (I'd give them over a 95% chance if RTC was still a thing)

• Waluigi
• New Animal Crossing character
• Octoling
• New Pokemon
• Legonis (Astral Chain)
• Ring Fit Adventure character
• Undertale/Deltarune character

And there are a few characters that I think are extremely likely, but I hesitate to call them locks (probably like an 80% in RTC)

• Bandana Dee
• New Xenoblade character
• New Sonic character
• Sol Badguy

Of course, going into Ultimate I thought Decidueye and Bandana Dee were locks, so my radar on this sort of thing is way off.

Frankly, the only character on that list I think is a lock is a new Pokémon. Waluigi is incredibly likely as has been said, but even then, I can imagine the developers not being into him. I'd actually argue Dee is more likely than some of the characters on the lock list.

 

[Gengar84]

I admit I do fall into the trap of allowing my personal biases to artificially inflate a character’s chances in my head. It’s easy to find all kinds of reasons why a character makes perfect sense for Smash and I do tend to hyper focus on characters I personally care about. I don’t generally say any character is a lock or dismiss anyone either. Realistically, most of my favorites are kind of long shots but I think there’s a solid argument to be made for a lot of them. My favorites are niche enough in the Smash community that I’m relying on most of them being surprise picks but I could envision that scenario where I do get at least a few. We’ll see what happens though.

 

[Dinoman96]

I personally don't think there are any real locks outside of like, a new Pokemon and maybe a new Fire Emblem (either for base game or DLC).

 

[Gengar84]

I personally don't think there are any real locks outside of like, a new Pokemon and maybe a new Fire Emblem (either for base game or DLC).

I don’t think there are any 100% locks either but I would be genuinely surprised if Nintendo didn’t want to capitalize on Splatoon’s success and add another character. I personally feel like that’s even more likely than a new Pokemon, though both are as close to locks as you can get without being absolutely guaranteed in my eyes.

 

[Stratos]

I really don't remember, but I've asked this? If Waluigi got his own video game series, what genre would it be in your opinion? However, I remember that I had mentioned other times that Waluigi should get his own series so that he could have moves based on that for the Super Smash Bros series, which is not really true, because whether he gets his own video game or not, I would say that Waluigi can come as a newcomer to the Super Smash Bros. series.

 

[Amornal1]

I think that ryu hayabusa it's the second most likely third party character only because Monster Hunter it's the most likely one imo.

 

[Gengar84]

I wouldn’t call them the most likely but there are two characters in my most wanted list I feel have a pretty decent chance for Smash (though that might be my biases inflating their chances again). Those two characters would be Zero (Mega Man X) and Jinx (League of Legends).

Zero makes a ton of sense because he’s already very present in Smash through a Mii outfit and Assist Trophy. He’s a character with a long legacy and has always been very popular. Coming from an action platformer with appearances in multiple fighting games, Zero’s moveset is already perfectly suited for Smash. It also helps that the door is already opened with Mega Man being in and bringing some X music with him.

Jinx is a much more recent character comparatively but League of Legends is one of the most popular games in the world and Arcane propelled it into mainstream pop culture. Jinx was already one of the most iconic champions but her appearance in Arcane really connected to a lot of people and gave her a ton of depth beyond her Harley Quinn archetype from the games. She’s also got a very similar rebellious energy to Joker with a colorful and eye catching design. It’s just a guess but she seems like the kind of character Sakurai would gravitate towards.

 

[The Prankster 16]

View attachment 398081

Using my previous roster as a template, I made a reveal to release timeline for each of my newcomers.

The "teaser" and "full" for the pre-order/early adopter characer is like how they showed off Mewtwo's model at the end of the 50-Fact Extravaganza, but then he got a full trailer for himself later on

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I think that ryu hayabusa it's the second most likely third party character only because Monster Hunter it's the most likely one imo.

I hate that your right about Monster Hunter because Dante and Phoenix would be cooler choices

 

[Amornal1]

I hate that your right about Monster Hunter because Dante and Phoenix would be cooler choices

I wish i wasn't too, but i think i'm most likely right.

 

[Gengar84]

My biggest problem with Monster Hunter is the fact that it’s another nameless avatar character. I tend not to care about those kinds of characters in general but particularly in Smash where part of the fun for me is seeing all these different personalities come together. Oversaturating the roster with too many blank avatars kind of takes away from that for me even if they have a ton of moveset potential.

 

[Amornal1]

My biggest problem with Monster Hunter is the fact that it’s another nameless avatar character. I tend not to care about those kinds of characters in general but particularly in Smash where part of the fun for me is seeing all these different personalities come together. Oversaturating the roster with too many blank avatars kind of takes away from that for me even if they have a ton of moveset potential.

I think that this wouldn't be a problem for including him.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

My biggest problem with Monster Hunter is the fact that it’s another nameless avatar character. I tend not to care about those kinds of characters in general but particularly in Smash where part of the fun for me is seeing all these different personalities come together. Oversaturating the roster with too many blank avatars kind of takes away from that for me even if they have a ton of moveset potential.

Use the one from Marvel.

 

[Gengar84]

I think that this wouldn't be a problem for including him.

I don’t think it’s any kind of barrier that would prevent them from getting in, just that it would be harder for me to be personally invested in them if they did. Still, the hunters look cool and seem like they’d be fun to play so I’m not opposed. There’s just a lot of characters I’d personally rather see first.