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the thing is Meowth is irreplaceable even for those that never played pokemon he still has been the bad guy of pokemon series at least in the anime or movies for decades even if he is absent recently its like heihachi he always finds away to come back
haha at the last comment there...
Which is still enough to warrant not gatekeeping them altogether. Just because they aren't 100% of the newcomers doesn't mean they're 0%.
Honestly? Anime Meowth was a blessing and a curse for his prominence. Having what the public know as the Meowth be one that's highly anthropomorphized and that can talk made it so it was never as prominent in the games or other Pokémon media, where it behaves more like a normal cat. It also made it so the anime couldn't just apply those traits to all Meowth, meaning that once the Team Rocket Meowth left the show...Meowth as a whole basically left the show.
But like... The Team Rocket Meowth hasn't found his way back though. This is the first time he's ever really been gone.
Yeah, and I think that percentage gets higher once you factor in third party characters. I don’t think Mega Man, Pac Man, Simon, Banjo, or Terry had a whole lot going on at the time of their inclusion. People also tend to discount the characters that don’t fit the promotional narrative like Duck Hunt by saying they don’t count because they were the token surprise slot. Whether that’s actually a thing or not, Duck Hunt is still a classic character who didn’t have anything to promote.
The old man just refuses to stay dead.
That's true, but remember that Sakurai has to talk to Nintendo higher-ups, and a character from a dormant franchise will always be a harder sell than one that's currently appearing in games.
Not to mention, at this point it genuinely wouldn't make sense for the Team Rocket trio to return in the anime. They don't fit in at all with the overarching plot of Horizons.
It's clear that third parties play by different rules.
This conversation has been about old first-parties here. We get...just about enough in the base game that it makes no sense to gatekeep them altogether. You might as well say third-parties can't happen because they've only got 2-3 slots devoted to them in the base game at best.
MegaMan was being used in a new Comic Crossover at the time of being decided, and Castlevania had the cartoon going on. So both franchises were relevant at the time. Pac-Man obviously always has tons of rereleases, so he never really "leaves" the spotlight(. Banjo is similar, so he's easier to know exists. Terry is the one who stood out the most with barely noticeable at all due to few rereleases or new materials at all.
But they need to meet Captain Pikachu and start the hunt all over again.
Could you name some of those characters? Ring Fit Adventurer and Octoling are the big ones, Tom Nook stands a pretty good shot as a New Horizons-based character, and Ayumi seems like she could get vindicated after two decades. However, I’m not really seeing who else would fill in the remainder of 2016 to mid-2021.
What about Shadow Labyrinth?
I’m not arguing the norm doesn’t exist. I’m arguing that it’s not a hard rule that prevents any older characters with nothing to promote from showing up. Sure, that makes them less likely but it doesn’t outright disqualify them as some people imply.
...Uh, is there another cartoon I don't know of? Ghostly Adventures debuted after Pac-Man Party(the former modified Party's designs for the cartoon).
I’m guessing another Sonic character, at the very least.
Devil's advocate, they could come back for whatever inevitably follows Horizons. I don’t think it's going to have a 25 year run like the Ash saga did.
Do you mean examples that wouldn't have been featured in Ultimate in some way?
Mega Man 10 was 2 years prior to Smash 4's project plan being made.
Pac-Man is an evergreen character with constant releases and re-releases including some just before he was picked for Smash 4.
By the end of 2015 we knew Netflixvania was in the works and Lords of Shadow 2, as utterly dreadful as it was, was out a year prior with Mirror of Fate (again, as bad as it was) which starred a version of Simon was out the year before that.
King of Fighters was very much still active when the decision to add Terry was made.
I’m guessing a lot of them that showed up as Assist Trophies or Mii outfits were likely some of the highest scoring. I’d imagine Zero, Bomberman, Alucard, and Shadow all did really well.
My point is, do you think those recent appearances actually had any impact on their Smash inclusions or were they included because of their history? I suspect all of them got in Smash for the latter and would have still gotten in without those recent appearances. I don’t think Simon was added to promote Lords of Shadow.
I mean...we know it won't have one.
Welcome back! We haven't opened character threads yet, so we're all here until further notice. Any particular hopes, both for Smash and for Switch 2?
As for Alucard, he got his AT spot because he was originally going to be playable, but Sakurai realized that it would just be weird to represent Castlevania without a Belmont so Alucard was cut and turned into an AT while Simon and Richter became playable instead.
Not quite sure, I think Smash 4 was at a time when character requests were still primarily first parties before Cloud and Bayonetta really opened the floodgates to crazier choices.
Geno even sakurai said it
There was also the fact that there was a massive anti-third party bias at the time, especially with more realistically designed characters. The community at the time really didn't like seeing realistically designed characters get into Smash and had a strong preference for more cartoony mascot-styled characters, so if any third parties did well on the ballot they would probably be ones that fell into the "cartoon mascot" style.
Secret Level is an anthology show from Amazon Video, animated by the folks who did Love Death & Robots (and the animation service for the Sonic movies). It has episodes based on a certain video game (and a few tabletop role playing board games)
Rayman, Shantae, Shovel Knight are the three off the top of my head
And my point is it's flat out incorrect to say those characters "didn't have a whole lot going on" at the time of their selection. The lack of content or influence from the recent stuff is irrelevant here. Yes they were picked for everything else behind them but being actually relevant also helps them.
You've got me thinking. I can understand Knuckles doing well enough on the ballot to give him an Assist Trophy. But why would Knuckles be the Sonic character to (presumably) do the best, instead of Tails or Eggman or Shadow or anyone else? I can only really think of one reason.
Thank you!
You know how there's an alternate version of ZSS's side B that she does when you hold down B instead of tapping it? Because it's suspiciously a lot like her PM side-B.