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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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A bit of a different topic BUT since we are in the topic of Smash characters speculation, I'm interested in doing a turn towards removed characters' speculation.

Let's assume that for the next Smash game, we find out somehow (say a leak, a report etc.) that among the cut characters, only 3 are Nintendo (1st party) unique characters (so non-clones basically). Which 3 Nintendo unique/non-clone fighters do you think would be the ones most likely to get cut in the next game? The ones that I think will miss out are from the most over-repped series, so Piranha Plant (Mario), Corrin (Fire Emblem) and Mewtwo (Pokémon). Mewtwo was obviously the one of the 3 I was the most uncertain about as I had other candidates for the 3rd spot (Wii Fit Trainer or ROB) but ultimately the fact that it's part of an over-repped series and that it's been cut before makes me think it might leave again. But yeah, in a scenario where we found out that 3 Nintendo unique/non-clone fighters are among the cut fighters in the next game, who do you think they'd be?
Honestly, in this scenario if I had to pick three non-clones to cut (assuming that also includes characters that are semi-clones like Roy and Lucas and we're just talking completely unique characters), I'd say probably Plant because I already have doubts about it coming back as funny as it'd be, Corrin, and ZSS.

Sorta going along with the Raven Beak trade thing from a while back, ZSS just kinda feels a bit superfluous, so if I HAD to cut three? ZSS would definitely at least be on my mind.

EDIT: If we're talking like actual likelihood I have no idea, I just went with a hypothetical "who I'd like it to be" lol
 
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OK, quick question:

If Shadow got into Smash and had Chaos Control as part of his moveset, would it work better as his Up Special or something else?
Well Chaos Control refers to an entire category of abilities. He's guaranteed to have it in some form. If you're just referring to teleportation, it could be his up special or they could make it one of his other specials, with him teleporting and doing an attack when he reappears.
 

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Honestly, in this scenario if I had to pick three non-clones to cut (assuming that also includes characters that are semi-clones like Roy and Lucas and we're just talking completely unique characters), I'd say probably Plant because I already have doubts about it coming back as funny as it'd be, Corrin, and ZSS.

Sorta going along with the Raven Beak trade thing from a while back, ZSS just kinda feels a bit superfluous, so if I HAD to cut three? ZSS would definitely at least be on my mind.

EDIT: If we're talking like actual likelihood I have no idea, I just went with a hypothetical "who I'd like it to be" lol
Yes, only unique characters count, so Roy and Lucas don't as they are cloned to at least some degree and yes, it is a prediction-based question
 

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Mewtwo (Pokémon). Mewtwo was obviously the one of the 3 I was the most uncertain about as I had other candidates for the 3rd spot (Wii Fit Trainer or ROB) but ultimately the fact that it's part of an over-repped series and that it's been cut before makes me think it might leave again.
Pokemon in general is hard to guess.

Mewtwo feels like a 65-50% chance. Greninja and Lucario are more likely in my opinion to stay but Mewtwo has a chance to return.
 

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Secret Level is an anthology show from Amazon Video, animated by the folks who did Love Death & Robots (and the animation service for the Sonic movies). It has episodes based on a certain video game (and a few tabletop role playing board games)
One of which is a Pac-Man one, and Shadow Labyrinth is a prequel of that episode.
There is a Mega Man episode too.
Ah.

Well, regardless, the point was that MegaMan and Pac-Man had actual relevant usage when they were chosen for Smash 4. That's all I was saying earlier.
 

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Yes, only unique characters count, so Roy and Lucas don't as they are cloned to at least some degree and yes, it is a prediction-based question
Well, if it was a "here's who I'd want cut" I honestly might replace Plant with Lucario because I hate Smash Lucario, so my three would be Lucario, Corrin, and ZSS lol

If we're talking about actual predictions? As much as I love him I have to mention Incineroar. I don't know if he's necessarily on shaky ground since Sakurai wanted to include a wrestler moveset, but when you stack him up against Pikachu and Jigglypuff who have perfect attendance, Pokemon Trainer (particularly Charizard) and Mewtwo who are mega popular, Lucario who is still prominent and may be assisted by Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, and Greninja, one of the literal most popular Pokemon of all time and possibly aided by the existence of Legends ZA being a Kalos game, Incineroar has some STIFF competition.
 
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A bit of a different topic BUT since we are in the topic of Smash characters speculation, I'm interested in doing a turn towards removed characters' speculation.

Let's assume that for the next Smash game, we find out somehow (say a leak, a report etc.) that among the cut characters, only 3 are Nintendo (1st party) unique characters (so non-clones basically). Which 3 Nintendo unique/non-clone fighters do you think would be the ones most likely to get cut in the next game? The ones that I think will miss out are from the most over-repped series, so Piranha Plant (Mario), Corrin (Fire Emblem) and Mewtwo (Pokémon). Mewtwo was obviously the one of the 3 I was the most uncertain about as I had other candidates for the 3rd spot (Wii Fit Trainer or ROB) but ultimately the fact that it's part of an over-repped series and that it's been cut before makes me think it might leave again. But yeah, in a scenario where we found out that 3 Nintendo unique/non-clone fighters are among the cut fighters in the next game, who do you think they'd be?
3 most likely imo are Piranha Plant, Corrin and Incineroar.

The least popular additions to the franchises with the most characters.
 

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Ok, I got a new question.

For your most wanted newcomer(s) for Smash 6, how would you like their reveal trailers to be animated?

Full CGI-(Examples::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultridley::ultkrool::ultkazuya::ultsephiroth:)

Pre-rendered in the style of their game-(Examples::ultpyra::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultrobin:)

2D animated-(Examples::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac::ultjoker:)
 
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Ok, I got a new question.

For your most wanted newcomer(s) for Smash 6, how would you like their reveal trailers to be animated?

Full CGI-(Examples::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultridley::ultkrool::ultkazuya::ultsephiroth:)

Pre-rendered in the style of their game-(Examples::ultpyra::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultrobin:)

2D animated-(Examples::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac:)
For Jinx, I’d love it if they used Arcane’s style which is a combination of 2D hand painted backgrounds and 3D models with painted textures that gives it a really cool and unique look. This is a fan made music video showing off some scenes of Jinx using her song from her music video (slight potential spoilers as it shows parts of scenes throughout the show but without the context):


For Battletoads, it would be cool if the trailer started out as retro NES sprites and then transitioned to their modern Smash models, kind of like Rash’s Killer Instinct reveal trailer:

 

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Ok, I got a new question.

For your most wanted newcomer(s) for Smash 6, how would you like their reveal trailers to be animated?

Full CGI-(Examples::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultridley::ultkrool::ultkazuya::ultsephiroth:)

Pre-rendered in the style of their game-(Examples::ultpyra::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultrobin:)

2D animated-(Examples::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac:)
Full CGI: Waluigi, Bandana Waddle Dee, Takamaru, Shadow, Hayabusa and Lu Bu

2D Animated: Ayumi and Chun-Li
 

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The question is basically which unique characters are the lowest on the priority list.
Rn I have Piranha Plant, Jigglypuff, and Incineroar on the bottom, though you could make arguments for several others.
 

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Ok, I got a new question.

For your most wanted newcomer(s) for Smash 6, how would you like their reveal trailers to be animated?

Full CGI-(Examples::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultridley::ultkrool::ultkazuya::ultsephiroth:)

Pre-rendered in the style of their game-(Examples::ultpyra::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultrobin:)

2D animated-(Examples::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac:)
Off the top of my head:
  • Full CGI
    • Waluigi
    • Bandana Waddle Dee
  • Animated in the game’s style (2D or otherwise)
    • Raven Beak
 

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Ok, I got a new question.

For your most wanted newcomer(s) for Smash 6, how would you like their reveal trailers to be animated?

Full CGI-(Examples::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultridley::ultkrool::ultkazuya::ultsephiroth:)

Pre-rendered in the style of their game-(Examples::ultpyra::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultrobin:)

2D animated-(Examples::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac:)
For Rayman, I'd love it if they animated it like Origins/Legends. Even something akin to the Rayman 1 opening would be cool.

Sol's NEEDS to be animated like an ArcSys game. Yeah it'd probably be pretty obvious who it is from the jump, but don't tell me you wouldn't want to see how characters like Mario would look in that art style.
 

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I posted this in the Social Thread, but I thought I'd post it here too. There's a new rumor/leak that's very likely to be fake.
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Seems like the Smash 6 rumors/leaks have started.
Old and fake 4chan garbage.
 

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Relevance helps first-party characters. That's pretty undebatable. However, it's never been the end-all, be-all factor barring an exception like a retro or WTF character.

Characterizing Brawl's roster as just adding contemporary characters for their own sake seems inaccurate. :wario:,:pt:,:diddy:,:dedede:,:metaknight:, and :wolf: being in modern games helped, but these characters are better characterized as evergreen presences in their franchises. There's a decent chance that, had none of these series received games between 2001 and 2005, they still would have been added because they're popular, made major appearances previously, and would likely appear in future scenarios. That was in contrast to :zerosuitsamus:, :ike:, :lucas:, :lucario:, :toonlink:, and :olimar:, who were all rising stars that postdated Melee's roster and were partially added to modernize the roster.

Wii U/3DS did have a very contemporary roster, but that helps further distinguish Brawl's roster as not focusing on being strictly contemporary. :4wiifit:, :rosalina:,:4mii:, :4robinm:, and:4shulk: all postdate Brawl's project plan and were added at their first point of eligibility (:4greninja: too, but he had a spot saved). :4palutena: and :4littlemac: were classic characters that were reinvented in a game that postdated Brawl's project plan and they were heavily based on that appearance. Palutena was never getting in Brawl and Little Mac is so heavily defined by Punch-Out 2009 that he feels comparatively modern. Only :4villager: and :4bowserjr: were evergreen in the sense of having a consistent, established presence in their franchises that predated 2005 and would (most likely, at the time) postdate 2012.

:ultridley: and :ultkrool: seem to confirm that you don't have to have an appearance between project plans to get into a Smash game. Yeah, they're ballot picks, but people were holding Metroid's hiatus and K. Rool's absence as an argument against their appearances. Their merits outweighed the cons of not being relevant.

Characterizing first-party selection exclusively reviewing who has appeared in games released between project plans is a bit too reductionist. Not only does it cut off characters with genuine merits like Isaac and Skull Kid, it doesn't really capture why someone like Waluigi, BWD, or Dixie Kong are likely to be added. The argument for their inclusion relative to other characters goes deeper than just being modern reps for Mario, Kirby, or Donkey Kong.
 
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I posted this in the Social Thread, but I thought I'd post it here too. There's a new rumor/leak that's very likely to be fake.
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Seems like the Smash 6 rumors/leaks have started.
We discussed it earlier.

It's very fake.
 

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I posted this in the Social Thread, but I thought I'd post it here too. There's a new rumor/leak that's very likely to be fake.
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Seems like the Smash 6 rumors/leaks have started.
I know it’s nonsense from Toon Zelda alone, unless there’s a Wind Waker remaster on the way, what kind of chance would she even have if Toon Link himself is a bigger target of the chopping block?

Besides, the last thing Zelda fans want for a rep is yet ANOTHER variant of the Triforce trio.
 
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I know it’s nonsense from Toon Zelda alone, unless there’s a Wind Waker remaster on the way, what kind of chance would she even have if Toon Link himself is a bigger target of the chopping block?
Even then I think Tetra would be a better sell than her undisguised self.
 

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I know it’s nonsense from Toon Zelda alone, unless there’s a Wind Waker remaster on the way, what kind of chance would she even have if Toon Link himself is a bigger target of the chopping block?

Besides, the last thing Zelda fans want for a rep is yet ANOTHER variant of the Triforce trio.
Wait until they do add Toon Zelda and add Toon Ganondorf in the same game later. :troll:

But yeah, that leak is definitely fake. It is too early to call, anyway.
 

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Oh joy do I love greentext leaks with nothing backing them!

A bit of a different topic BUT since we are in the topic of Smash characters speculation, I'm interested in doing a turn towards removed characters' speculation.

Let's assume that for the next Smash game, we find out somehow (say a leak, a report etc.) that among the cut characters, only 3 are Nintendo (1st party) unique characters (so non-clones basically). Which 3 Nintendo unique/non-clone fighters do you think would be the ones most likely to get cut in the next game? The ones that I think will miss out are from the most over-repped series, so Piranha Plant (Mario), Corrin (Fire Emblem) and Mewtwo (Pokémon). Mewtwo was obviously the one of the 3 I was the most uncertain about as I had other candidates for the 3rd spot (Wii Fit Trainer or ROB) but ultimately the fact that it's part of an over-repped series and that it's been cut before makes me think it might leave again. But yeah, in a scenario where we found out that 3 Nintendo unique/non-clone fighters are among the cut fighters in the next game, who do you think they'd be?
If Sakurai's the Director: :ultpiranha: :ultpichu::ultcorrin:
If Sakurai's not the Director: :ultpiranha::ultcorrin::ultincineroar:

If you're wondering why there's a difference it's literally just because Sakurai wanted a grappler. I genuinely think that's enough to make a minor difference in likelihood lol.

Edit: Also almost forgot, if Pichu counts as being too echoey to be unique for this list then pretend I said Mewtwo for Sakurai
 
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Ok, I got a new question.

For your most wanted newcomer(s) for Smash 6, how would you like their reveal trailers to be animated?

Full CGI-(Examples::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultridley::ultkrool::ultkazuya::ultsephiroth:)

Pre-rendered in the style of their game-(Examples::ultpyra::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultrobin:)

2D animated-(Examples::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac::ultjoker:)
I imagine a Phoenix wright reveal trailer being done in this style:
And done in the middle of a Nintendo direct to really throw people off.

And what establishes it as a Smash reveal trailer would be a Nintendo character yelling "Objection!" and showing up on the witness stand with an invite in hand.
 
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Okay, so even assuming the cutoff point for base game newcomers in the next Smash is indeed July 2021 (assuming that's Sakurai's next project), I can still at least see a maximum of 18 base game newcomers (15 unique fighters, 3 Echoes). Here's my predictions wishlist:
Waluigi​
Toad​
Funky Kong​
Raven Beak​
Bandana Waddle Dee​
Gen 9 Pokémon​
Tom Nook​
Octoling (as a semi-clone)​
Ring Fit Trainee​
Officer Howard​
Isaac​
Takamaru​
Ayumi Tachibana​
Alucard​
Crash Bandicoot​
Dixie Kong (ε of Diddy)​
Ninjara (ε of Min Min, assuming she returns)​
Mach Rider (ε of Captain Falcon)​
 

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Personally I think Pokemon Trainer alone should be proof that representing modern Nintendo can be way more lenient than adding Corrin before FE Fates was released in the US. Not only were FireRed and LeafGreen no longer the latest mainline Pokemon games by the time Brawl released, they were also no longer the latest when the game started being developed. It would've been over a year since Emerald released in Japan, to be exact.
 
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Okay, so even assuming the cutoff point for base game newcomers in the next Smash is indeed July 2021 (assuming that's Sakurai's next project), I can still at least see a maximum of 18 base game newcomers (15 unique fighters, 3 Echoes). Here's my predictions wishlist:
Waluigi​
Toad​
Funky Kong​
Raven Beak​
Bandana Waddle Dee​
Gen 9 Pokémon​
Tom Nook​
Octoling (as a semi-clone)​
Ring Fit Trainee​
Officer Howard​
Isaac​
Takamaru​
Ayumi Tachibana​
Alucard​
Crash Bandicoot​
Dixie Kong (ε of Diddy)​
Ninjara (ε of Min Min, assuming she returns)​
Mach Rider (ε of Captain Falcon)​
This maximum list of predictions is pretty darn nice.
  • Two Mario newcomers, fit for the 40th anniversary (likely not that soon)
  • A unique DK newcomer AND an echo.
  • Bandana Dee completes the Kirby party.
  • Raven Beak, Tom Nook, and a Gen 9 Pokemon are realistic guesses for Smash newcomers.
  • Three retro* reps in one game.
  • No less than four promoted Assist Trophies, which I'm sure will cause some speculation for the future.
*Technically, Ayumi is as retro as Little Mac was in Smash 4, Mach Rider would be the first cross-series Echo, and Takamaru is a newcomer whose revival has yet to happen. But I assure you some Smash speculators wouldn't remember those stipulations.
 

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We discussed it earlier.

It's very fake.
Yeah. It also claims that trophies are returning and the new Adventure Mode will have cutscenes comparable to Subspace.
 

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Tbh, if I can have CGI for all the trailers, I'll take the CGI.
Sakurai wanted a grappler.
Sorry to harp on it again, but this is another example imo of overblowing the importance of this aspect. Incineroar being a grappler is part of why Sakurai chose it over Decidueye, or possibly another Alola Pokémon. I mean the quote itself was literally just "I wanted to try making a pro-wrestler type character at least once!" This and his other comments are overall quite vague on how much exactly he values that archetype and don't rule out, like, the mere opportunism of a wrestler character being the most appealing to him out of a very limited number of options.
 

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Corrin being higher priority than Jigglypuff is... a choice to say the least
My thing with Jigglypuff is that, well, it's always a very low priority character that barely scraped by in games where there's not very many cuts. So, what happens in a game when more significant cuts actually have to be made? Jiggs is always living on the edge, that luck seems likely to run out.

Corrin, well, I don't have them ranked very high either. But I do think the devs will value them more than the fans do.
Despite how much vitriol Fates gets from some fans (I mean, it's definitely far from my favorite FE game personally as well), it's one of the most successful games in the FE series (albeit somewhat piggybacking off Awakening), sold well, and was well-received by critics; on top of this, Corrin has a unique archetype as a shapeshifter character, which is also one that represents a prominent and novel aspect of FE.
Ultimately, Corrin will almost certainly be the lowest-ranked unique FE character, which makes them pretty likely to be cut. You could argue they're in the bottom three, for sure, but I think you could argue they're a number of spots ahead of the bottom-bottom tier, too.
 

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Ok, I got a new question.

For your most wanted newcomer(s) for Smash 6, how would you like their reveal trailers to be animated?

Full CGI-(Examples::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultridley::ultkrool::ultkazuya::ultsephiroth:)

Pre-rendered in the style of their game-(Examples::ultpyra::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultrobin:)

2D animated-(Examples::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac::ultjoker:)
For Waluigi, I think it would be really funny if his trailer was a low-budget, poorly-edited live action bit where it's basically his manifesto declaring how awesome he is. Almost like a stage play with cardboard signs and other extremely cheap-looking props.
 
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Also, while character speculation is back on the menu, I think Nintendo's ties to Universal might improve the chances of Earthworm Jim a little.

Why? Because Universal actually made an Earthworm Jim cartoon, which not even Crash Bandicoot got.

Yes, I know that's a pipe dream, but I've always liked the wacky characters myself.
Despite the controversies and bad things from the creator of that character, I actually would like to see Earthworm Jim as playable in Smash.
 

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I posted this in the Social Thread, but I thought I'd post it here too. There's a new rumor/leak that's very likely to be fake.
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Seems like the Smash 6 rumors/leaks have started.
DLC is never planned right away. That's way late into it. It's very unrealistic for it to ever be on an actual preparation document.

Would be a cool roster, though. But yeah, easily fake.
 

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DLC is never planned right away. That's way late into it. It's very unrealistic for it to ever be on an actual preparation document.

Would be a cool roster, though. But yeah, easily fake.
I think that leak mentioned Paper Mario was the early adopter character kind of like Plant, in which case I could see them being planned from the start since they need to be ready when the game comes out.

Plus Plant got a Palutena's Guidance unlike every other DLC character, so while I do agree for regular DLC, I could see the early adopter bonus character being planned early on.

EDIT: Should mention I don't think that leak is real, I just think it's fake for other reasons that aren't to do with Paper Mario being like Plant in this case lol
 
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Ok, I got a new question.

For your most wanted newcomer(s) for Smash 6, how would you like their reveal trailers to be animated?

Full CGI-(Examples::ultmegaman::ultsimon::ultridley::ultkrool::ultkazuya::ultsephiroth:)

Pre-rendered in the style of their game-(Examples::ultpyra::ultbyleth::ultminmin:ultrobin:)

2D animated-(Examples::ultpalutena::ultlittlemac::ultjoker:)

For Saber from Fate Stay night it be awesome to have the trailer animation be made by studio Ufotable. The same studio that adapted some of the most important Fate anime. Bonus points if we see other smash bros characters like link, fire emblem characters etc in this Ufotable style during a fight scene or something in the trailer. That be super hype to see.
 

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I imagine a Phoenix wright reveal trailer being done in this style:
And done in the middle of a Nintendo direct to really throw people off.

And what establishes it as a Smash reveal trailer would be a Nintendo character yelling "Objection!" and showing up on the witness stand with an invite in hand.
It would be cool too if it was the last announcement of the direct. So when they say: That was our last announcement for today you hear Objection immediately after it then the trailer starts.
 

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Okay, so even assuming the cutoff point for base game newcomers in the next Smash is indeed July 2021 (assuming that's Sakurai's next project), I can still at least see a maximum of 18 base game newcomers (15 unique fighters, 3 Echoes). Here's my predictions wishlist:
Waluigi​
Toad​
Funky Kong​
Raven Beak​
Bandana Waddle Dee​
Gen 9 Pokémon​
Tom Nook​
Octoling (as a semi-clone)​
Ring Fit Trainee​
Officer Howard​
Isaac​
Takamaru​
Ayumi Tachibana​
Alucard​
Crash Bandicoot​
Dixie Kong (ε of Diddy)​
Ninjara (ε of Min Min, assuming she returns)​
Mach Rider (ε of Captain Falcon)​
Good lineup, but I’d replace Ninjara with Noah or/and Mio, it would be a bit baffling imo NOT to include a Xenoblade 3 character since Monolith is reaching greater heights with Nintendo while ARMS is still unfortunately getting neglected.

Even then, Spring Man or Ribbon Girl would be more likely if Min Min’s replaced and they wanna keep ARMS represented.

Update: Ok never mind, I read through the cutoff being 2021, a year before Xeno 3 was announced.
 
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EDIT: Should mention I don't think that leak is real, I just think it's for other reasons that aren't to do with Paper Mario being like Plant in this case lol
Like where's the surprise character? The "leak" kept the token Pokémon tradition and the token couple new guests, but not the token surprise character that defies the norm? Paper Mario doesn't exactly fit that cloth, nor does any of the other characters except Waluigi, the only non-main character of the set that isn't the token Pokémon.
And it's Waluigi. As in, someone with notable demand and expectation.
 

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Like where's the surprise character? The "leak" kept the token Pokémon tradition and the token couple new guests, but not the token surprise character that defies the norm? Paper Mario doesn't exactly fit that cloth, nor does any of the other characters except Waluigi, the only non-main character of the set that isn't the token Pokémon.
And it's Waluigi. As in, someone with notable demand and expectation.
Nah, don't you see Golden? Toon Zelda is the surprise character!

As in it'd be a surprise if anyone actually believed that! :4pacman:
 
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