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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

RileyXY1

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I mean I'm doubting a port because the Switch 2 is backwards compatible and Smash has never done ports (if there was ever a time to do it it would've been Smash 4 since the Wii U was a flop and they didn't even do it then).
And not only that I don't think Sakurai likes the idea of ports. Brawl was notably announced without Sakurai even knowing about it, and Iwata got him to work on the game by threatening to port Melee to the Wii with the only new addition being online play if he refused. So he ultimately chose to create Brawl.
 

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And not only that I don't think Sakurai likes the idea of ports. Brawl was notably announced without Sakurai even knowing about it, and Iwata got him to work on the game by threatening to port Melee to the Wii with the only new addition being online play if he refused. So he ultimately chose to create Brawl.
I kind of wonder how history would have changed if Sakurai ultimately refused.
 

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I kind of wonder how history would have changed if Sakurai ultimately refused.
Impossible to say for sure. Not having Sakurai would mean that whoever had to take over would have some pretty big shoes to fill. Moreover, losing his star power, would make negotiations a lot harder. Sora, for example, was a result of Sakurai's personal charisma, initiative and good luck, by bumping into a Disney exec and convincing them of the idea. We might have continued to get cutscenes in the games without Sakurai feeling that them getting spoiled ruined the suprise of having them. Though, another developer might have also decided that hype trailers were worth more than in-game story cutscenes.

What I can say almost for sure is that Pit(If he were ever added in the first place) wouldn't have gotten a redesign. No Sakurai making Brawl means he doesn't see Pit and get the idea to make Kid Icarus: Uprising, so the angel would be stuck with his brawl moveset. We therefore also don't get Palutena and Dark Pit in this timeline.
 

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I kind of wonder how history would have changed if Sakurai ultimately refused.
Melee would have presumably been a new play control version with bad Wifi.

Not even sure if competitive Melee would be as big as this timeline because it’s resilience after Brawl released is why it’s still played by lot of people till this day.
 

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Melee would have presumably been a new play control version with bad Wifi.

Not even sure if competitive Melee would be as big as this timeline because it’s resilience after Brawl released is why it’s still played by lot of people till this day.
I mean I feel like the original version would still need that resilience because I imagine any further release of Melee would be the PAL version since it had balance changes, and they may just decide to play the original NTSC release anyway since Melee would've been out for a while already, especially if it's a New Play Control (meaning no GCN controller) with bad online.
 

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Honestly can't wait for people to start posting fake leaks that look incredibly absurd, yet somehow a lot of players believe them.

 

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Honestly can't wait for people to start posting fake leaks that look incredibly absurd, yet somehow a lot of players believe them.

Before I saw the name, I thought that was Tofu from Resident Evil.



My immediate reaction was "probably not my first choice for a Resident Evil character, but it would make for an entertaining joke."
 

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The sad thing is, the rise of AI over the past few years is gonna make the fake leak game even more insufferable the next time around.
Maybe. Or because the majority of people online will quickly assume AI, it may just make image leaks less prominent. Which will make it funnier when the image leak that is real happens and then is revealed to be real.

Regardless, it's going to be an interesting time after the next Smash Bros. is revealed.
 
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Something interesting I saw someone on ResetEra point out
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Tekken 8, in its marketing for Clive, was able to directly mention Final Fantasy XVI by name and show its logo, this appears on all the marketing for the character. Final Fantasy XVI is rated M by the ESRB, while Tekken 8 is rated T. The same is true with PEGI, where FFXVI is 18+ and Tekken 8 is 16+. It's notable because in Japan, FFXVI and Tekken 8 are both rated CERO-D, which is the equivalent of M for mature, but even in the regions where FFXVI is rated higher the name and logo are still shown.

This topic of the ESRB restrictions have come up a few times in this thread so I thought this was worth mentioning, don't know if it's old news.
 
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Well, not specifically characters that debuted post 2021, but some characters whose main relevance is based on games released after 2021:
  • Master Kohga
  • Off the Hook
  • Toadette
  • Alear
I mean Toadette Makes the most sense as a Toad Costume so im sure she has a good chance!
And dont say they have to be echoes Dude they ahave the exact same proportions and can share animations!
So Toad/ Toadette + the captain version could easily join smash if Sakurai doesnt Screw over toad Again!
 

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Something interesting I saw someone on ResetEra point out
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Tekken 8, in its marketing for Clive, was able to directly mention Final Fantasy XVI by name and show its logo, this appears on all the marketing for the character. Final Fantasy XVI is rated M by the ESRB, while Tekken 8 is rated T. The same is true with PEGI, where FFXVI is 18+ and Tekken 8 is 16+. It's notable because in Japan, FFXVI and Tekken 8 are both rated CERO-D, which is the equivalent of M for mature, but even in the regions where FFXVI is rated higher the name and logo are still shown.

This topic of the ESRB restrictions have come up a few times in this thread so I thought this was worth mentioning, don't know if it's old news.
I feel like it was ever an issue then they probably just add a disclaimer in trailers if it ever happens in Smash rather then avoid it.
 

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leaks with evidence COWER before the might of random text leaks on 4chan that have no traction yet are miraculously right months later :ultpiranha:
Also the reason we get to have interminable conversations about the 99% of 4chan text leaks that are obvious fake, which coincidentally guess one thing right and have 10 other things which would never happen, for that one real one which gets Sora right

Can't wait...
 

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Also the reason we get to have interminable conversations about the 99% of 4chan text leaks that are obvious fake, which coincidentally guess one thing right and have 10 other things which would never happen, for that one real one which gets Sora right

Can't wait...
Also makes me think about stuff like Gematsu where it ended up being wrong but only because it was an earlier version of the project plan that included Chrom (who we know was considered until Robin took over) and Chorus Kids/a Rhythm Heaven character (who we know was at least slightly worked on, hence the series icon being unused in the game and it being a Chorus Kid bowtie).
 

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Also makes me think about stuff like Gematsu where it ended up being wrong but only because it was an earlier version of the project plan that included Chrom (who we know was considered until Robin took over) and Chorus Kids/a Rhythm Heaven character (who we know was at least slightly worked on, hence the series icon being unused in the game and it being a Chorus Kid bowtie).
True, but Gematsu is a very rare case, it's much easier for stuff to leak at the end of production when the most people are involved than at the point the character list doesn't even reflect the finished game.

Which is why despite being "wrong" in the sense that it didn't line up... it leaked even more useful information imo, as we all would've learned the actual roster eventually anyway. Characters who were planned then scrapped, not so much.
 

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The sad thing is, the rise of AI over the past few years is gonna make the fake leak game even more insufferable the next time around.
I don't think there is enough video data/sample for AI to train on. So, any AI-generated Smash reveal trailer should be easy to spot. Perhaps, even regular art/image would be hard to replicate. Fake leaks with blur may be easier to accomplish with combination of Photoshop. We shall see.
 

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True, but Gematsu is a very rare case, it's much easier for stuff to leak at the end of production when the most people are involved than at the point the character list doesn't even reflect the finished game.

Which is why despite being "wrong" in the sense that it didn't line up... it leaked even more useful information imo, as we all would've learned the actual roster eventually anyway. Characters who were planned then scrapped, not so much.
Yeah, it's just the one I remember most because I joined here during pre-Smash 4 speculation and because it was such an odd case when you look back at it, like somehow someone got a hold of Sakurai's ORIGINAL project plan for characters, like what the heck, how did you get that? lol

Obviously ESRB leak was bigger since it was just straight up the full roster, and Grinch leak was pretty fun when it happened even though only Banjo and Ken ended up being right on it and almost certainly by accident, but Gematsu is the big one I always think about.
 

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the series icon being unused in the game and it being a Chorus Kid bowtie
I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before? Unless I just saw it and mistook it as being fanmade… still I feel like I’d have remembered this.

For me the clincher for Rhythm Heaven has always been the Sneaky Spirit in Smash Run. They really had no reason to do that otherwise - it’s such an abstract, obscure pull as is.
 
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I don't think there is enough video data/sample for AI to train on. So, any AI-generated Smash reveal trailer should be easy to spot. Perhaps, even regular art/image would be hard to replicate. Fake leaks with blur may be easier to accomplish with combination of Photoshop. We shall see.
The main issue AI image generators have regarding making fake Smash screenshots is making the backgrounds look like actual locations that'd be used for Smash stages. This was generated half a year ago by Zerp Zerp to showcase a fake AI-generated leak:

And Waluigi looks decent, and you can pass off the Waluigi-colored Mario as the leaker using his Waluigi palette. But the background is...not a recognizable location from a game featured in Smash or even a game people want to see represented in it.
 

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before? Unless I just saw it and mistook it as being fanmade… still I feel like I’d have remembered this.

For me the clincher for Rhythm Heaven has always been the Sneaky Spirit in Smash Run. They really had no reason to do that otherwise - it’s such an abstract, obscure pull as is.
Maybe the one I saw was fanmade? Probably was, but still, we know people presumably found data for it in the emblems in the files, listed as "rhythm" and as far I found in a Source Gaming article, it was placed in between "duckhunt" and "rockman" in the lineup.

I definitely do think the Sneaky Spirit is the only actual remnant of Rhythm Heaven getting stuff in Smash 4 though. It's the only non-playable series to get one that isn't a Subspace enemy or a Namco arcade character (thus linking them to Pac-Man inherently).
 
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The main issue AI image generators have regarding making fake Smash screenshots is making the backgrounds look like actual locations that'd be used for Smash stages. This was generated half a year ago by Zerp Zerp to showcase a fake AI-generated leak:

And Waluigi looks decent, and you can pass off the Waluigi-colored Mario as the leaker using his Waluigi palette. But the background is...not a recognizable location from a game featured in Smash or even a game people want to see represented in it.
Nobody talks about the dragon, right?
 

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Nobody talks about the dragon, right?
If I remember right, Zerp or someone else talked about if you blurred it to the extent a lot of leaks are, you'd probably miss stuff like Waluigi having three rows of teeth and the dragon would maybe have a passing resemblance to Ridley depending on how blurry it is, but the background kinda messes with that idea a lot here lol
 

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You'd have to blur things to a comedic point to hide all the flaws.... maybe if it was one random image of many in a Grinch-style hoax?
 

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And Waluigi looks decent, and you can pass off the Waluigi-colored Mario as the leaker using his Waluigi palette. But the background is...not a recognizable location from a game featured in Smash or even a game people want to see represented in it.
The trick is to get the AI to generate the individual elements separately, then photoshop them together yourself.
 

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I wonder if making characters more expressive with their animations thanks to the mario movie is going to become a common goal for a lot of nintendo games going forward. The next 3D Mario is going to look gorgeous in that case.
Smash Team might get the influence too.
 
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I wonder if making characters more expressive with their animations thanks to the mario movie is going to become a common goal for a lot of nintendo games going forward. The next 3D Mario is going to look gorgeous in that case.
Smash Team might get the influence too.
It's the year 2025/2026. A new smash has come out, and one of the big things that it's praised for is the expressive character animation. Every character has been given a lot more expressive movements and facial expressions, and it altogether increased the game's appeal by a lot.

Except for Sonic. He still doesn't emote for some likely Sega related reason.
 

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If I remember right, Zerp or someone else talked about if you blurred it to the extent a lot of leaks are, you'd probably miss stuff like Waluigi having three rows of teeth and the dragon would maybe have a passing resemblance to Ridley depending on how blurry it is, but the background kinda messes with that idea a lot here lol
Yeah exactly, if you blur it then it becomes significantly easier to pass off as real.
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I think this took me a grand total of like five to seven minutes between the AI and blurring in Photoshop back then. Obviously isn't truly convincing but it's a bit scary for the sheer lack of effort and time investment. If you have infinite tries eventually some are going to end up looking real, and when it takes like five minutes to make one, I think it could end up being an issue.

Edit: Actually now that I think of it I think it took even less time than that, like within a minute to two minutes lol
 
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