Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[GoldenYuiitusin]

The Ninja Commandos. For their Final Smash they go back in time to kill Oda Nobunaga

That's right. They go back in time to kill Oda Nobunaga.

 

[Laniv]

I really want to see an insect Smash Bros. character but I don’t think any of them are really popular or important enough to have much of a chance. Insect characters tend to have some of my favorite designs and I just think it would be really cool, that’s all.

Heres a few of my favorites by series:

Pokemon: Golisopod
Digimon: Tyrant Kabuterimon
League of Legends: Kha’Zix
Megaman: Kuwagust Anchus
Kirby: Buggzy

Sarah Kerrigan and the Zerg in general from StarCraft have a lot of insect traits and I’d say she’s the most likely character with any kind of insect theme for Smash. I’d love any of these but Kerrigan seems the most realistic.

If we didn't get Incineroar, Buzzwole or Pheromosa would've been great choices

 

[Gengar84]

If we didn't get Incineroar, Buzzwole or Pheromosa would've been great choices

Yeah, I’d have been happy with either of them too. Golisopod’s still my favorite but the Ultra Beasts are also cool.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I really want to see an insect Smash Bros. character but I don’t think any of them are really popular or important enough to have much of a chance. Insect characters tend to have some of my favorite designs and I just think it would be really cool, that’s all.

Heres a few of my favorites by series:

Pokemon: Golisopod
Digimon: Tyrant Kabuterimon
League of Legends: Kha’Zix
Megaman: Kuwagust Anchus
Kirby: Buggzy

Sarah Kerrigan and the Zerg in general from StarCraft have a lot of insect traits and I’d say she’s the most likely character with any kind of insect theme for Smash. I’d love any of these but Kerrigan seems the most realistic.

Bug Fables?

 

[fogbadge]

I really want to see an insect Smash Bros. character but I don’t think any of them are really popular or important enough to have much of a chance. Insect characters tend to have some of my favorite designs and I just think it would be really cool, that’s all.

Heres a few of my favorites by series:

Pokemon: Golisopod
Digimon: Tyrant Kabuterimon
League of Legends: Kha’Zix
Megaman: Kuwagust Anchus
Kirby: Buggzy

Sarah Kerrigan and the Zerg in general from StarCraft have a lot of insect traits and I’d say she’s the most likely character with any kind of insect theme for Smash. I’d love any of these but Kerrigan seems the most realistic.

Bug fighters? let's see

Vikavolt, Taranza, if we're suggesting digimon then Tentomon is a good shout

 

[Gorgonzales]

I really want to see an insect Smash Bros. character but I don’t think any of them are really popular or important enough to have much of a chance. Insect characters tend to have some of my favorite designs and I just think it would be really cool, that’s all.

Heres a few of my favorites by series:

Pokemon: Golisopod
Digimon: Tyrant Kabuterimon
League of Legends: Kha’Zix
Megaman: Kuwagust Anchus
Kirby: Buggzy

Sarah Kerrigan and the Zerg in general from StarCraft have a lot of insect traits and I’d say she’s the most likely character with any kind of insect theme for Smash. I’d love any of these but Kerrigan seems the most realistic.

Wiggler from Mario and Boggy B. from Worms would be my two top bug fighters (although them being bugs is just a neat bonus, I like their combat potential due to their designs and abilities).

Golisopod is awesome. If I had to choose a bug fighter from Pokemon it'd be him.

Bulborb from Pikmin and DeMille from Tomato Adventure aren't explicitly bugs but they're kinda bug-like. I guess.

 

[fogbadge]

Wiggler from Mario and Boggy B. from Worms would be my two top bug fighters (although them being bugs is just a neat bonus, I like their combat potential due to their designs and abilities).

Golisopod is awesome. If I had to choose a bug fighter from Pokemon it'd be him.

Bulborb from Pikmin and DeMille from Tomato Adventure aren't explicitly bugs but they're kinda bug-like. I guess.

isnt demille meant to be a rabbit?

 

[Perkilator]

I really want to see an insect Smash Bros. character but I don’t think any of them are really popular or important enough to have much of a chance. Insect characters tend to have some of my favorite designs and I just think it would be really cool, that’s all.

Heres a few of my favorites by series:

Pokemon: Golisopod
Digimon: Tyrant Kabuterimon
League of Legends: Kha’Zix
Megaman: Kuwagust Anchus
Kirby: Buggzy

Sarah Kerrigan and the Zerg in general from StarCraft have a lot of insect traits and I’d say she’s the most likely character with any kind of insect theme for Smash. I’d love any of these but Kerrigan seems the most realistic.

Scizor is the one Gen 2 Pokémon I wish was in Melee, which is lucky because it just so happens to be a Bug-Type Pokémon.

 

[DarthEnderX]

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Definitely either Iori or Nakoruru for me.

The SV-001 Metal Slug.

With Marco/Tarma/Eri/Fio as drivers, Bowser Jr.-style.

I'm already looking forward to that new Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves game especially since that it will have Ken and Chun-Li crossing over as guests.

I'm looking forward to it less now. Because now it'll have 2 fewer Fatal Fury characters.

 

[FazDude]

I really want to see an insect Smash Bros. character but I don’t think any of them are really popular or important enough to have much of a chance. Insect characters tend to have some of my favorite designs and I just think it would be really cool, that’s all.

Heres a few of my favorites by series:

Pokemon: Golisopod
Digimon: Tyrant Kabuterimon
League of Legends: Kha’Zix
Megaman: Kuwagust Anchus
Kirby: Buggzy

Sarah Kerrigan and the Zerg in general from StarCraft have a lot of insect traits and I’d say she’s the most likely character with any kind of insect theme for Smash. I’d love any of these but Kerrigan seems the most realistic.

I think Spidops would be my top pick for a Gen 9 'Mon.

 

[Gengar84]

I think Spidops would be my top pick for a Gen 9 'Mon.

Spidops would definitely be interesting from a gameplay perspective. Based on design, my personal favorite Gen 9 Bug type is Lokix. I’d say it’s in my top 3 overall favorites from the Gen along with Ceruledge and Great Tusk.

 

[Arcanir]

I really want to see an insect Smash Bros. character but I don’t think any of them are really popular or important enough to have much of a chance. Insect characters tend to have some of my favorite designs and I just think it would be really cool, that’s all.

Heres a few of my favorites by series:

Pokemon: Golisopod
Digimon: Tyrant Kabuterimon
League of Legends: Kha’Zix
Megaman: Kuwagust Anchus
Kirby: Buggzy

Sarah Kerrigan and the Zerg in general from StarCraft have a lot of insect traits and I’d say she’s the most likely character with any kind of insect theme for Smash. I’d love any of these but Kerrigan seems the most realistic.

Bug Pokemon in general would be really fun, along with Golisopod there's also Scizor, Genesect, Lotix, Slither Wing, and a few others that would be great to play as. Digimon's also in a similar boat as you have examples like the Kabuterimons and (Bancho)Stingmon, though my preference would be base Kabuterimon out of those.

Kragg from Rivals of Aether could also be fun with his earth mechanic, I'm curious how it'll be developed in 2.

 

[fogbadge]

Spidops would definitely be interesting from a gameplay perspective. Based on design, my personal favorite Gen 9 Bug type is Lokix. I’d say it’s in my top 3 overall favorites from the Gen along with Ceruledge and Great Tusk.

I don’t think you can go wrong with gen 9 Pokemon

 

[FazDude]

Kragg from Rivals of Aether could also be fun with his earth mechanic, I'm curious how it'll be developed in 2.

Forgot about Kragg, oh my god. Would love to have my Rivals main in Smash.

 

[Gengar84]

I don’t think you can go wrong with gen 9 Pokemon

I don’t know what Gen you count Legends Arceus as but I’m also a huge fan of Hisuian Zoroark and Sneasler. They probably both make my top 10 overall favorite Pokemon.

 

[fogbadge]

I don’t know what Gen you count Legends Arceus as but I’m also a huge fan of Hisuian Zoroark and Sneasler. They probably both make my top 10 overall favorite Pokemon.

gen 8 I believe

 

[Will]

Bug Fables?

It was a game that mimicked classic Paper Mario RPG style before Nintendo remade TTYD, which now washes it to obscurity.

It’s still on the Switch tho.

edit: ohhhhhhh this was a rhetorical question

 

[Gorgonzales]

isnt demille meant to be a rabbit?

Only thing I can find saying that comes from a fandom wiki. Otherwise he's referred to as just a boy. It's fine by me, I like it when a character's species is kept ambiguous. Makes em more unique.

It was a game that mimicked classic Paper Mario RPG style before Nintendo remade TTYD, which now washes it to obscurity.

It’s still on the Switch tho.

Saying that is like saying Mario Odyssey invalidates the existence of A Hat in Time.

The remake of TTYD doesn't make Bug Fables obsolete. Bug Fables is a good game with a well-written story and loveable characters that can stand on its own feet.

 

[Will]

Saying that is like saying Mario Odyssey invalidates the existence of A Hat in Time.

I didn’t say it was invalidated. I said washed into obscurity after the cult classic game it is inspired from was remade.

The remake of TTYD doesn't make Bug Fables obsolete.

I mean… It starts with an O, so I’ll give you a point, but still not what I said.

Bug Fables is a good game with a well-written story and loveable characters that can stand on its own feet.

I’m sure it is. I’m twice as sure that it’s definitely in TTYD’s shadow now. I’m not saying don’t buy it lol support the indie devs.

I’ll support a sequel. Let them give Nintendo a reason to remake SPM too.

 

[fogbadge]

Only thing I can find saying that comes from a fandom wiki. Otherwise he's referred to as just a boy. It's fine by me, I like it when a character's species is kept ambiguous. Makes em more unique.

Ah the Klonoa effect

 

[Borskaboska]

with how consistently new pokemon get added to smash bros, do you think people at game freak have that in mind when designing the creatures for new gens? Like they design the starters with them potentially being smash characters in mind.

 

[fogbadge]

with how consistently new pokemon get added to smash bros, do you think people at game freak have that in mind when designing the creatures for new gens? Like they design the starters with them potentially being smash characters in mind.

not really

 

[Will]

with how consistently new pokemon get added to smash bros, do you think people at game freak have that in mind when designing the creatures for new gens? Like they design the starters with them potentially being smash characters in mind.

You’ll end up designing a super cool Pokemon with a unique type, attack choice, and/or lore, just for Sakurai to pick a simpler one because he just liked it more.

I feel like that’s how we got Incineroar. IIRC I think more speculators were expecting Decidueye for all those reasons.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

You’ll end up designing a super cool Pokemon with a unique type, attack choice, and/or lore, just for Sakurai to pick a simpler one because he just liked it more.

I feel like that’s how we got Incineroar. IIRC I think more speculators were expecting Decidueye for all those reasons.

I mean to be fair, Decidueye was on the table. Sakurai just felt like he wanted to make a wrestler character more, so Incineroar stepped up.

 

[ninjahmos]

I may or may not have said this before, but if Alucard ever gets into the next game, they should give him Smash remixes of Dracula's Castle and The Tragic Prince.

Oh, and they should definitely add in some more music from Rondo of Blood, as well as Symphony of the Night.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Delzethin reworks Peach with inspiration from Mario RPG and the Showtime game. I rather like it, but I'm not terribly attached to her current playstyle anyway so that is bias talking.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Steve's inclusion in Smash Brothers relatively recently has been a quite a contravesial topic especially in terms of balance, the amount of complexity getting him in and his competitive placement. Being the best character in-game according to tier-list to being busted and causing ires and for bans.

Do you think it's possible for him to return next game especially the difficulty implementing him with stages and mechanics?

Do you even want to return next-game or should get cut or even replaced with other Microsoft reps like Crash or Master Chief?

Should Steve's moveset should be entirely revamped next game or should stay as is?

 

[dream1ng]

with how consistently new pokemon get added to smash bros, do you think people at game freak have that in mind when designing the creatures for new gens? Like they design the starters with them potentially being smash characters in mind.

I do not. I think they have merchandise in mind.

You’ll end up designing a super cool Pokemon with a unique type, attack choice, and/or lore, just for Sakurai to pick a simpler one because he just liked it more.

I feel like that’s how we got Incineroar. IIRC I think more speculators were expecting Decidueye for all those reasons.

TPC obviously tells Sakurai who to pick, they just give him more than one option.

Incineroar or Decidueye, what a coincidence it was between the two feasible final forms of the starters of the gen they were promoting.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Do you think it's possible for him to return next game especially the difficulty implementing him with stages and mechanics?

Yeah. Overpowered characters return in nerfed states all the time.

have all only been broken once.

If they know Steve is coming ahead of time, they can make the proper concessions to each stage when they craft the stage, so they don't have to change the code of the game to do it retroactively.

 

[Idon]

Steve's inclusion in Smash Brothers relatively recently has been a quite a contravesial topic especially in terms of balance, the amount of complexity getting him in and his competitive placement. Being the best character in-game according to tier-list to being busted and causing ires and for bans.

Do you think it's possible for him to return next game especially the difficulty implementing him with stages and mechanics?

Do you event want to return next-game or should get cut or even replace with other Microsoft reps like Crash or Master Chief?

Should Steve's moveset should be entirely revamped next game or should stay as is?

In order and in personal opinion:

• It is very much possible, and dare I say, extremely likely that he returns next Smash. Steve, PoS that he is in Smash Bros, is still an icon attached to a company that loves handing him out in crossovers. He's a legendary figure that definitely has the weight to belong in Smash... and it's certainly a better investment than that doomed movie at the very least...
  
  
• **** no, I despise Steve in Smash and he exhibits the worst that this game has to offer. There is not a single ounce of cool factor to him and he is bar none the ugliest animated character in the game, which is saying a lot when Mr. GnW's moves have just 2 frames. His playstyle even feels like a deliberate attempt to take every fundamental aspect about Smash people like and throw it straight into the trash.
  
  And don't get me wrong. Take this opinion coming as someone who loves Minecraft and who has played it since the grass was neon green, some things should not be in Smash.
  
  
• Steve's moveset is honestly... okay! It's moreso the fact that every single aspect of it is overtuned to hell and back with little, if any, weaknesses. These could have been ironed out during the playtesting phase, but as we all know there was barely any for FP2. Leads to shenanigans like Sephiroth's 9 meter long pole actually being pretty well limited and then Steve who has combos that would make Kazuya Mishima jealous.
  
  A simple balance patch to change some values of his moves, and the properties of the minecart, anvil, elytra, and blocks would be enough to rein him and put him in, at least to the point where even if he's hated, he wouldn't regularly be receiving ban discussion and tournaments wouldn't be emptying out when he's in grand finals.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Steve's inclusion in Smash Brothers relatively recently has been a quite a contravesial topic especially in terms of balance, the amount of complexity getting him in and his competitive placement. Being the best character in-game according to tier-list to being busted and causing ires and for bans.

Do you think it's possible for him to return next game especially the difficulty implementing him with stages and mechanics?

Do you event want to return next-game or should get cut or even replace with other Microsoft reps like Crash or Master Chief?

Should Steve's moveset should be entirely revamped next game or should stay as is?

I think Steve is definitely possible to come back next game, and I think he will with a hefty balancing. The stages will be programmed with him in mind and they won’t have to remake like 100+ stages retroactively to program the block placements, so it’ll be easier this time around.

I do want Steve to come back, as cutting him and making him DLC again might lead to the same issues we had in Ultimate OR they program the stages with him in mind and we already know he’s in the cards, which is lame imo. I also don’t think he should be “replaced” by Chief or Crash just because that’s not how that works but also Minecraft is the best selling game of all time still and Nintendo still actively has a relationship with Microsoft/Mojang and I don’t see either party wanting to back down on this especially since they’d have to talk for Banjo already who I think is incredibly likely to return.

I think Steve’s moveset is fine, he just needs big frame data nerfs and things like that. Even if I didn’t think his moveset was fine, I wouldn’t expect much for changes because of how the team usually operates with vets lol

 

[Borskaboska]

I dont like steve's moveset, not for any gameplay or balance reasons, but im an old head who still thinks elytra are too new to be in smash. I do NOT care if they were added almost a decade ago or whatever, i refuse to acknowledge it. Steve's recovery should've been the ender pearl.

 

[Laniv]

Delzethin reworks Peach with inspiration from Mario RPG and the Showtime game. I rather like it, but I'm not terribly attached to her current playstyle anyway so that is bias talking.

Hmmm. On the one hand, it leans on the "existing veteran gets stuff from recent games", which is something I can take or leave.

On the other hand, any move that replaces Toad in Peach's moveset to make him a fighter is okay by me.

Steve's inclusion in Smash Brothers relatively recently has been a quite a contravesial topic especially in terms of balance, the amount of complexity getting him in and his competitive placement. Being the best character in-game according to tier-list to being busted and causing ires and for bans.

Do you think it's possible for him to return next game especially the difficulty implementing him with stages and mechanics?

Do you event want to return next-game or should get cut or even replace with other Microsoft reps like Crash or Master Chief?

Should Steve's moveset should be entirely revamped next game or should stay as is?

Steve will most likely come back. Modern-day video game icon like him isn't going anywhere, especially that they'd be developing stages with him in mind.

And if/when he does come back, he's gonna get hit with the nerf hammer hard, just like Meta Knight and Bayonetta

 

[Kirby Dragons]

I really want to see an insect Smash Bros. character but I don’t think any of them are really popular or important enough to have much of a chance. Insect characters tend to have some of my favorite designs and I just think it would be really cool, that’s all.

Heres a few of my favorites by series:

Pokemon: Golisopod
Digimon: Tyrant Kabuterimon
League of Legends: Kha’Zix
Megaman: Kuwagust Anchus
Kirby: Buggzy

Sarah Kerrigan and the Zerg in general from StarCraft have a lot of insect traits and I’d say she’s the most likely character with any kind of insect theme for Smash. I’d love any of these but Kerrigan seems the most realistic.

Bugzzy would be a good grappler, and a good Kirby rep since he's one of the more occurring minibosses.

 

[Gengar84]

Bugzzy would be a good grappler, and a good Kirby rep since he's one of the more occurring minibosses.

Yeah, Bugzzy was always my favorite Kirby character and is a lot of fun to use. I love bouncing on enemies’ heads. The only concern is that we already have Incineroar for the wrestling style.

 

[Shinuto]

Steve is dumb, bad looking, banned from Smash forever and Minecraft should be made illegal globally. proof of ownership is maximum capital punishment.

 

[Gengar84]

I want every character back but if I was forced to cut unique characters, Steve would be at the top of that list. I never really cared for him as a character and there are a ton of Microsoft owned characters I’d rather see than him. Steve was literally my least wanted character. He is kind of fun to mess around with but I can’t really use him well playing seriously. I’m still happy for his fans that he made it in but I’d rather see others get that chance next time.

As for Minecraft itself, I think it’s something I would have really enjoyed as a kid. I loved creating things so much back then but my creativity has fallen off as an adult. I don’t really care much for the visual style but it has its own charm. I imagine it can be really fun and addicting once you really get into it. I just have a hard time getting into games that don’t appeal to me visually. That’s one reason I’ve never played Pikmin or Animal Crossing.

 

[SharkLord]

Meanwhile, me with the Plesioth twice the size of Final Destination trying to swim around on on the stage:

Ukanlos when it eats a Super Mushroom and becomes so big it automatically touches the blast zone no matter where it is

 

[cashregister9]

I just think the cube man is silly : )

 

[Noipoi]

Smash fans when the most successful game of all time is in Smash