Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Ivander]

I too hope my great grandchild looks completely identical to me, going so far as to dress exactly the same.

They could at some point. Many other great-grandchildren have already done it according to movies, anime and whatnot.

 

[Will]

I too hope my great grandchild looks completely identical to me, going so far as to dress exactly the same.

Amish Zelda

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

In the end I've played through all of Emio. Nice game, the last 2-3 hours really go places and the writing is surprisingly consistent (there was one cheap trick that I didn't really love, but also one of the sleekest plot twists I've seen in videogames, so it balances out). There's a really big surprise at the very end too, wasn't expecting it.
Overall I've really liked it! Might also play the other FDC games in the future.

As far as Smash goes though? I'd be surprised if FDC gets more than some music tracks - which it definitely should. A couple of songs in Emio are crazy good. Would love to see what the Smash team cooks up with the protagonist / Ayumi (nowadays we'd definitely get both), but I feel like that's fairly unlikely overall.
But, whatever. Game was a worthy experience even if it doesn't get major Smash content.

 

[Sucumbio]

I like how when Palutena gets ko'd in the trailer Pit and Dark Pit suddenly lose air mobility and then get bagged themselves having never played Uprising I didn't realize there was a canon reason heh

 

[ninjahmos]

Would love to see what the Smash team cooks up with the protagonist / Ayumi (nowadays we'd definitely get both), but I feel like that's fairly unlikely overall.

Come to think of it, as unlikely as it is, I think an FDC Protagonist/Ayumi team-up in the style of Zelda/Sheik and Aegis (Pyra/Mythra) would be pretty cool.

 

[RileyXY1]

Another duo character concept I'm thinking of is Kat & Ana from WarioWare.

 

[fogbadge]

In the end I've played through all of Emio.

put all that in spoilers please

 

[HyperSomari64]

Do bootlegs, both old (Kung Fu Mari) and new (those Mario knock-offs that flood Google Play) deserve representation in Smash?

 

[Idon]

Do bootlegs, both old (Kung Fu Mari) and new (those Mario knock-offs that flood Google Play) deserve representation in Smash?

It's already difficult enough to include good games that people actually play so no, I can't say they do.

 

[Shinuto]

Do bootlegs, both old (Kung Fu Mari) and new (those Mario knock-offs that flood Google Play) deserve representation in Smash?

No? They're not real games?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I too hope my great grandchild looks completely identical to me, going so far as to dress exactly the same.

lol This quote has the same energy as "It's a weird coincidence because whenever I'm beaten in battle I also become my whole house."

No? They're not real games?

Well bootleg games are still games, but deciding that the next third party character should be "knockoff Mario" is definitely a choice. I'd say that kind of thing would be much more suited to a fan game than an official one.

 

[Noipoi]

lol This quote has the same energy as "It's a weird coincidence because whenever I'm beaten in battle I also become my whole house."

And what exactly is the context of this quote?

 

[smashkirby]

So, do you think we'll ever get a Retro character again?

Seriously hoping so. Say what you will, but it's not like Nintendo has a shortage of characters under that umbrella to use.

Takamaru, Ayumi, Lip, Saki, Lark, Harry, Michael Anderson, Bubbles, Urban Champ, Sukapon, Alice, Hakkun, Sherriff, Balloon Fighter, Excitebiker, etc.

Long story short, they've got options.

 

[ninjahmos]

You know what's another song I'd like to hear if we get a Rhythm Heaven character? The original Samurai Slice (possibly as a Smash remix).

Oh, and Remix 3 (GBA) and Remix 4 (GBA)

 

[DarthEnderX]

Idon Love the new signature.

 

[Diddy Kong]

OK, so I just a had a thought…

Assuming Ganondorf gets a full-on overhaul in the form of TOTK for the next game, do you think they would still use one of his older designs (OOT or TP) as one of his alts?

Would that even fit ? I mean TOTK Ganondorf has a total different set of abilities and weapon types. I have a hard time imagining other versions of Ganondorf fitting this, unless he has minimal move set changes. And even then, historically OOT and TP Ganondorf do not have the same move set in Smash either. I couldn't imagine them sharing the same slot for this reason even.

 

[Idon]

Idon Love the new signature.

Thanks, decided to fix the broken signature with a generic top 10 most wanteds split evenly between 1st and 3rd party characters and put in some effort to make it halfway presentable.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

Is it too early to speculate about the next Smash Bros?
The main questions so far are:
1. Will it happen?
2. Will Sakurai be still behind it?
3. Will it have a smaller roster (DLC excluded)?
4. Will it be a launch title for the "Switch 2"(I don't think this will be it's actual name)?

 

[DarthEnderX]

Thanks, decided to fix the broken signature with a generic top 10 most wanteds split evenly between 1st and 3rd party characters and put in some effort to make it halfway presentable.

Just like me! Only without the lame 1st Party part!

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

Is it too early to speculate about the next Smash Bros?
The main questions so far are:
1. Will it happen?
2. Will Sakurai be still behind it?
3. Will it have a smaller roster (DLC excluded)?
4. Will it be a launch title for the "Switch 2"(I don't think this will be it's actual name)?

In my opinion:
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. No

 

[fogbadge]

Would that even fit ? I mean TOTK Ganondorf has a total different set of abilities and weapon types. I have a hard time imagining other versions of Ganondorf fitting this, unless he has minimal move set changes. And even then, historically OOT and TP Ganondorf do not have the same move set in Smash either. I couldn't imagine them sharing the same slot for this reason even.

how is TP and OoT Ganon's using the ToTK moves any worse than them using the falcon moveset

 

[BritishGuy54]

Is it too early to speculate about the next Smash Bros?
The main questions so far are:
1. Will it happen?
2. Will Sakurai be still behind it?
3. Will it have a smaller roster (DLC excluded)?
4. Will it be a launch title for the "Switch 2"(I don't think this will be it's actual name)?

1. Yes. Nintendo would be a fool to not go ahead with a new Smash on a new console.
2. I believe so for the most part. We may start hearing rumours of a successor at least within the next decade.
3. I believe so. Let Ultimate be Ultimate. A new game needs to look towards the future, with Nintendo’s Switch era being so successful.
4. No. I believe other games such as a 3D Mario, Animal Crossing, Mario Maker, and either Pokémon or Mario Kart will come prior to a new Smash.

 

[fogbadge]

1. Yes. Nintendo would be a fool to not go ahead with a new Smash on a new console.
2. I believe so for the most part. We may start hearing rumours of a successor at least within the next decade.
3. I believe so. Let Ultimate be Ultimate. A new game needs to look towards the future, with Nintendo’s Switch era being so successful.
4. No. I believe other games such as a 3D Mario, Animal Crossing, Mario Maker, and either Pokémon or Mario Kart will come prior to a new Smash.

nah animal crossing will take a while, they'll be moving onto spaltoon 4 first

 

[Perkilator]

Is it too early to speculate about the next Smash Bros?
The main questions so far are:
1. Will it happen?
2. Will Sakurai be still behind it?
3. Will it have a smaller roster (DLC excluded)?
4. Will it be a launch title for the "Switch 2"(I don't think this will be it's actual name)?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Probably, but possibly around Smash 4-sized
4. Probably not

 

[Louie G.]

1. Will it happen?
2. Will Sakurai be still behind it?
3. Will it have a smaller roster (DLC excluded)?
4. Will it be a launch title for the "Switch 2"(I don't think this will be it's actual name)?

1. Of course it will.
2. Most likely. He’s expressed his feelings on this many times and I’m sure Nintendo would be inviting him back.
3. Tough call, but if it’s smaller than Ultimate I’m thinking just barely. 60-68 character range seems practical to me, so about base Ultimate size.
4. Not a launch title. Will be announced by second or third year.

 

[Dukefire]

Speaking of "Switch 2", I think it is almost time. Though they did say for the Summer Direct that they WON'T talk about the next console. Winter might be the case where it could be announced for the end of 2024.

We will see once the Fall Direct is announced. Also, I think the direct might drop either 2nd or 3rd week of September.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

We are finally there.

We have 1,000 votes (exactly right now). I'm going to do one more big write up, except instead of just top fives, you'll be able to see how many votes every single character had.

I never thought getting this many votes was possible. I feared we would fizzle out around 300, let alone the initial 500 goal.

After the write up, I'm going to essentially leave the poll alone. It'll still be open, but I won't actively spread it anymore. If it somehow gets another 500 votes, we could probably get another write up, but I think we've exhausted our resources (without going to 4chan, but that's probably for the best).

Thank you all, this wouldn't be possible without all of you.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

In the end I've played through all of Emio. Nice game, the last 2-3 hours really go places and the writing is surprisingly consistent (there was one cheap trick that I didn't really love, but also one of the sleekest plot twists I've seen in videogames, so it balances out). There's a really big surprise at the very end too, wasn't expecting it.
Overall I've really liked it! Might also play the other FDC games in the future.

As far as Smash goes though? I'd be surprised if FDC gets more than some music tracks - which it definitely should. A couple of songs in Emio are crazy good. Would love to see what the Smash team cooks up with the protagonist / Ayumi (nowadays we'd definitely get both), but I feel like that's fairly unlikely overall.
But, whatever. Game was a worthy experience even if it doesn't get major Smash content.

I think the protag won't become fight because his fly open sometimes.

 

[Stratos]

Most likely they will put in the new Super Smash Bros. and an Adventure Mode. Anyway, however they make Adventure Mode there will be enough for me, I don't think there will be a problem and also like everyone else I'm looking forward to seeing the new Final Boss after Galeem and Dharkon. It is true that none of us can know about it, but still I think that in general Adventure Mode is also the reason why the Super Smash Bros. series became famous, but as we know the biggest reason is the video game characters themselves.

 

[ninjahmos]

Is it too early to speculate about the next Smash Bros?
The main questions so far are:
1. Will it happen?
2. Will Sakurai be still behind it?
3. Will it have a smaller roster (DLC excluded)?
4. Will it be a launch title for the "Switch 2"(I don't think this will be it's actual name)?

1. Of course it will. At this point, the series sells way too highly for it to ever end.
2. He probably will. He seems to love the series as much as we do.
3. Possibly. I don't think EiH is gonna happen a second time unless we get Ultimate DX… but do we really want that?
4. Probably not.

 

[Gengar84]

I do think it’s very likely that we’ll see another Smash on the Switch 2 but I don’t think it’s a 100% guarantee. Until the Switch, I would have thought it was a near certainty that we’d get a new Mario Kart every console generation but we just got 8 Deluxe instead. There’s also the chance that Sakurai sees Ultimate as the series finale, hence the name. I still think we’ll see a traditional sequel but I’m open to the possibility that we might not.

 

[Guynamednelson]

There’s also the chance that Sakurai sees Ultimate as the series finale, hence the name

Most people don't consider that "ultimate" is supposed to mean "the absolute last", and Sakurai would be more familiar with SSBU's Japanese subtitle, "Special".

 

[Dukefire]

I do think it’s very likely that we’ll see another Smash on the Switch 2 but I don’t think it’s a 100% guarantee. Until the Switch, I would have thought it was a near certainty that we’d get a new Mario Kart every console generation but we just got 8 Deluxe instead. There’s also the chance that Sakurai sees Ultimate as the series finale, hence the name. I still think we’ll see a traditional sequel but I’m open to the possibility that we might not.

It is all up to Sakurai to decide what's next for Super Smash Bros. Until either the torch is passed on or Sakurai himself says Smash Bros has concluded, fate is uncertain......

 

[osby]

There’s also the chance that Sakurai sees Ultimate as the series finale, hence the name.

Then wouldn't he also name it to reflect that in Japanese?

 

[Perkilator]

With how much of a success Ultimate was, I think it’s more than enough to warrant a brand new game on the next console; same with a brand new Mario Kart game. The only question is what either of those will entail.

 

[Gengar84]

Then wouldn't he also name it to reflect that in Japanese?

That’s a good point too. I’m not sure why they went with Ultimate in English if it wasn’t also used for Japanese. Even if the naming isn’t consistent, Ultimate does have the feeling of a big blowout series finale that celebrates the history of the series. That said, we still kept getting Mortal Kombat games after MK Trilogy so it definitely doesn’t mean we can’t get a sequel either. Just an observation.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I’m not sure why they went with Ultimate in English if it wasn’t also used for Japanese

Smash isn't a series whose Japanese and international names are consistent. Even the name of the series isn't "Super" in Japanese, it's something that means "Great/Big/Massive/etc. Melee", hence why Mythra's Smash costume in XC2 is called "Massive Melee".

 

[Diddy Kong]

how is TP and OoT Ganon's using the ToTK moves any worse than them using the falcon moveset

Technically and to be a total nerd, Ganondorf is a semi clone and even in Melee one could argue he's one of the more unique clones.

However I'll give you your win. This is a solid as **** argument.

 

[RileyXY1]

I do think it’s very likely that we’ll see another Smash on the Switch 2 but I don’t think it’s a 100% guarantee. Until the Switch, I would have thought it was a near certainty that we’d get a new Mario Kart every console generation but we just got 8 Deluxe instead. There’s also the chance that Sakurai sees Ultimate as the series finale, hence the name. I still think we’ll see a traditional sequel but I’m open to the possibility that we might not.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was a special case because the Wii U was a flop and the Switch wasn't backwards compatible with it, so they decided to port a lot of Wii U titles onto the Switch in the hopes they would be much more successful there, and it worked. There's no need to just port Ultimate onto the Switch because the Switch was an extremely successful console (thus most of the potential customers have already bought Ultimate) and there's a good chance that the Switch 2 is backwards compatible with the original, and thus you could just play Ultimate on it as is.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

There’s also the chance that Sakurai sees Ultimate as the series finale, hence the name.

Trivia: In Japan it's called Super Smash Bros. Special.
It was renamed Super Smash Bros. Ultimate for the western market because the word "Special" doesn't sound badass as it used to be.
And anyway, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 was all but the last Mortal Kombat.