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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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PeridotGX

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...okay what theory are we gonna call this?
I don't know. Timeline theory, maybe?

Also, I feel it's important to mention this: I really don't want Hayabusa in, Simon should've been it for old NES characters. It's just there's so many thing hinting at his inclusion it's hard not to imagine he's not coming. ...just like last October, except I'm not trying optimism this time around.
 
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ChronoBound

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My issue with Geno is how he's the least important party member in his own game. Say what you want about Mallow but at least he had a character arc, Geno's closest thing resembling an arc is going to Mario and telling him he needs to keep doing what he's already doing and then he ****s off forever after that. It's why I'm 100% sure that the Forest Maze meme ended up causing a bandwagon in his favour.

Btw in case people see bandwagon and get upset, I don't think bandwagons are inherently good or bad
Thinking back on SMRPG, you are right. Geno kind of does nothing important to the plot. Peach has a whole section to the game focused on stopping her from being married off to Booster (and proving how she can indeed be able to save the kingdom as well). Mallow has the the Nimbus Kingdom arc. And Bowser gets focus throughout the game (showing him with gradually shrinking troops up until he eventually joins you, his gag in Marrymore, how various NPCs react to him in Monstro Town, and finally his homecoming in Bowser's Keep, with Magikoopa that raised him giving him an unlimited coin box). Mario himself might actually steal the show and is probably one of the most memorable silent protagonists in a game ever (he does a sort of Courage the Cowardly Dog emoting to explain things, and its a really funny riff on the silent protagonist arche-type).

As a fan that remembers media back in the day, the memorable person of the team at the time was Bowser being on your side. I think aside from Geno's attack and abilities, he is probably the most forgettable member of Mario's party in that game. He is just kind of there. I think part of the gravitation towards Geno is the result of wanting Super Mario RPG wanting some kind of broader identity and recognition since a lot of original stuff came from that game that was never re-used. The only choices as far as party members went, were either Mallow, whose crying outright causes rain and is weak physically, or Geno who has bullets for attacks. The choice is obvious. Personally, I never thought Geno's design was "cool" though his attacks are interesting (I would say all of the cast has interesting attacks, like Bowser outright chucks Mario at enemies for one of his).

I think the "the whole game revolves around Geno" is really stretching it. All of the party members are aiming to save their world. Its about all of them. However, if I had to say which party member made the strongest impression on me personally, I would say Mario as strange as that sounds. As I said earlier, one of the most charming silent protagonists ever. The only other silent protagonists to make as strong an impression on me are Crono (who like Mario is simiarly emotive, though not to as a great an extent), some of the Links, and Lucas from Mother 3 if he counts as one (since he speaks up until he becomes the main protagonist). Mario added a lot to the humor and charm to the game, and I am probably the only one out there that really thought he lowkey stole the show (even though the whole game is named after him, and you outright control him and only him the whole game outside of battles).

I think bandwagons are mostly bad personally because they eliminate the capacity for an individual to think for themselves, and have more of an individuality. However, that is my opinion personally. In today's world, people are longing for any sort of identity, and bandwagons are a sort of band-aid for that hole that people have in regards to such longing.

Once again though, I will repeat that Geno is the most likely character for DLC I believe (aside from the highly rumored Ryu Hayabusa). He is getting in, its just a matter of when, as opposed to if. I imagine somewhere part of the second wave. I imagine he either opens it or closes it.
 
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RileyXY1

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All these ridiculous theories are just making people more desperate for the next fighter reveal.
 

TheYungLink

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All these ridiculous theories are just making people more desperate for the next fighter reveal.
November can't come soon enough

*Terry is released with no tease or showcase of the next fighter*

The Game Awards can't come soon enough

*The Game Awards are as bad as they always are but we get the usual bombshell game announcement, yet no Smash news*

February 2020 can't—
 

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I Do actually got a Pretty Good Theory

It's not about a Character that will be in the DLC...Quite the Opposite, I Think we can deconfirm a Character right now

I'm Talking about Lara Croft. I do not think she is on the table despite her Iconic Status among gaming, I Got Proof

Remember that 7 Square Name Leak around the time Joker got Revealed. Well The fact that her name wasn't present honestly speaks more volumes then we were led to believe at the time. They even had Sora among the Names and Square doesn't even own him. I don't think Square nor Sakurai are looking at Lara Croft in Smash. She is done. oof
 

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Once again though, I will repeat that Geno is the most likely character for DLC I believe (aside from the highly rumored Ryu Hayabusa). He is getting in, its just a matter of when, as opposed to if. I imagine somewhere part of the second wave. I imagine he either opens it or closes it.
I think that's being much too confident. There's a reason why I commend @Bolderousness for his new SB bet, because it's one hell of a gamble this time around. He puts the BOLD in Bolderousness. :dr^_^:

But no, I don't think that Geno is anywhere near a lock. I'd say it's just as likely for him to be a revamped costume as it is for him to be a fighter at this point. Trust me, as much as I personally want him and have a sentimental love for the character (trust me, it's way more personal than based on objective fact and I totally get why people wouldn't bat an eyelash over him rofl), I refuse to think that he's 'in' until I see it.
 
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I think that's being much too confident. There's a reason why I commend @Bolderousness for his new SB bet, because it's one hell of a gamble this time around. He puts the BOLD in Bolderousness. :dr^_^:

But no, I don't think that Geno is anywhere near a lock. I'd say it's just as likely for him to be a revamped costume as it is for him to be a fighter at this point. Trust me, as much as I personally want him and have a sentimental love for the character (trust me, it's way more personal than based on objective fact and I totally get why people wouldn't bat an eyelash over him rofl), I refuse to think that he's 'in' until I see it.
Geno's far from a lock. Without leaks or data mines, what basis do we actually have? That being said, I'm fairly confident in the prospect that if Sakurai had to choose another Smash Bubble character, it would be Geno. Just going off of what we have so far, am I crazy for thinking as much lol?
:ultridley::ultkrool::ultbanjokazooie:

But seriously, I've been shouting Geno's death for Ultimate in a long time. I mean, since December. However, more circumstances opens up the possibility that Geno will be brought to Sakurai at least once. From Megasmilax being referenced, to no Geno mii costume, to Banjo's general success and excitement, to the very prospect of more fighters meaning less limitations on who you choose. I can't say it's impossible now, which is a step up from me saying, "Geno's dead, y'all."

It's good to be skeptical. I'm just making bets because it's practically my thing at this point.
 
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I don't really get why the term "bandwagon" is used as if those characters' fans are just brainwashed sheep.

Yeah...no.

And I like Geno for Geno. He has a nice personality and he very much is part of the story even if he doesn't have much development. Peach contributes less, and they could've scrapped Booster's part of the game and could've given Mario a different reason to fight Bowser in the beginning, if we're going to act like Geno had no real part or something. Geno came down from Star Road to get back the seven stars and fix his home, and allow everyone's wishes to be granted after stopping Smithy; Mario helped him fight off Bowyer, and then he introduced himself to Mario and told him about all that, and he even had his own cool/nice moments in other parts of the game and is the reason why Mario even knows to fight Smithy. To pretend he adds nothing is silly.
 
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Here's some notable stuff I've noticed or heard that are in his favor.
-Fatal Frame, which is represented via the Yuri AT, is partially owned by Koei. This is odd, as all the other third party ATs are either from already represented series (Alucard or Shadow, for instance), from companies already involved (Konami's Bomberman, Sega's Akira, and Capcom's Rathalos) or from indie companies (Shovel Knight, and also Sans and Shantae as non-ATs). The only comparable thing I can think of are the #TMS spirits, who I imagine are partially owned by...:ultjoker:'s Atlus.

-Koei and Nintendo have been buddies recently. Pokemon Conquest, Fire Emblem and Hyrule Warriors, and Fire Emblem Three Houses either use their IPs, were partially developed by them, or even both.

-The DLC fighters appear to be releasing in Reverse-Chronological order to their debut.
:ultjoker: - 2016
:ulthero:- When averaged, their debut year is 1999.
:ultbanjokazooie:-1997 (Diddy Kong Racing) / 1998 (Banjo-Kazooie)
:seuss::ultken: (/s)- 1991

If this holds weight, this means the next character will have debuted on or around the time of the NES. And Ninja Gaiden just so happens to be a classic NES series.

-Apparently, in the German version of Ultimate, there was only one Smash 4 veteran with a new Announcer voice-line. And that happens to be :ultryu:.
I don't think that all of those claims matter, but the fact that there are so many things that could be hinting at him intrigue me.
Frankly mate, this is just trying to fit a pattern by using faulty logic.
 
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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
 

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I think its kind of unfair to compare Geno to K.Rool/Banjo/Ridley
Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
None since I hate Miis and mii costumes. I'd rather have nothing than have a character I would like to see in reduced to that.
Really hated seeing Ray MK-III as a mii costumer.
 
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None since I hate Miis and mii costumes. I'd rather have nothing than have a character I would like to see in reduced to that.
Really hated seeing Ray MK-III as a mii costumer.
As I always say, at least Isaac fans got the assist trophy.
 

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Tell me why it would ever be necessary to reference Megasmilax if SMRPG isn't somewhere on the development team's mind. Like... there's so many Piranha Plant bosses in the series' history, any one of them could have been cool references. The fact they singled out a one-time boss from one game is reallly strange. Not to mention the familiarity of the Plant's pot in regards to Piranha Plants from SMRPG.
 

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Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?
Said it in the Mii Costume thread, but I'd be down with a Segata Sanshiro Mii Brawler costume that comes with a full face-mask and his theme song, similar to what was done for Sans.

Quote/Curly Brace could also work alright if they went with the chibi designs.

Edit: Some Virtualoid skins could be pretty cool too. Fei-Yen, please?
 
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Tell me why it would ever be necessary to reference Megasmilax if SMRPG isn't somewhere on the development team's mind. Like... there's so many Piranha Plant bosses in the series' history, any one of them could have been cool references. The fact they singled out a one-time boss from one game is reallly strange. Not to mention the familiarity of the Plant's pot in regards to Piranha Plants from SMRPG.
Megasmilax wasn't the only SMRPG piranha plant mentioned, they seem to have mentioned most differnt species across several games. Feel people are taking a joke about a nature's goddess being a plant nerd too far.
 

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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
Rydia of Mist costume.

It would never happen, but... Rydia of Mist costume, please. White Mage would be awesome, too.
 

TheYungLink

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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
If we don't ever get Bill Rizer or the other characters from Contra, I'd like to see Mii Gunner costumes for them.
 
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Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?
I got a couple that I thought of off of my head.

Super Monkey Ball:
-GonGon Mii Brawler


Contra:
-Bill Rizer Mii Gunner


Double Dragon:
-Billy Mii Brawler
-Jimmy Mii Brawler


Tecmo Bowl:
-Football Player Mii Brawler


Dynasty Warriors:
-Liu Bei Mii Swordfighter
-Sun Quan Mii Swordfighter
-Cow Cow Cao Cao Mii Swordfighter


Samurai Warriors/Nobunaga's Ambition:
-Nobunaga Oda Mii Swordfighter


Samurai Cats:
-Nobunyaga Oda Mii Gunner


My Friend Pedro:
-Pedro's Friend (doesn't have a name in the game) Mii Gunner


Hotline Miami:
Jacket (w/ Richard Mask) Mii Swordfighter
Jacket (w/ Tony Mask) Mii Brawler
Jacket (w/ Aubrey Mask) Mii Gunner
 
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DarthEnderX

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Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content.
I still have hopes that Kunio and Riki might be full characters. But a step below them in terms of likelyness would be Billy and Jimmy Lee from Double Dragon, and I wouldn't mind those two getting to be Brawlers.

Also, love me some Crono from Chrono Trigger, but I think he's too far down the list of SE reps. I would be okay getting him as a Swordfighter. Same deal for Randi from Secret of Mana.
 
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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
I'd love Master Chief as much as the next guy, but I think his chances are next to slim, so I'll gladly take a Mii Gunner costume as a consolation prize.

and maybe throw in an Arbiter Swordfighter costume while we're at it?
 
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I still have hopes that Kunio and Riki might be full characters. But a step below them in terms of likelyness would be Billy and Jimmy Lee from Double Dragon, and I wouldn't mind those two getting to be Brawlers.

Also, love me some Crono from Chrono Trigger, but I think he's too far down the list of SE reps. I would be okay getting him as a Swordfighter. Same deal for Randi from Secret of Mana.
I don't think he's far down at all. He's like the top 5 along with 2B, Geno, Lara Croft, and Sora (who is owned by Disney, by developed by SE).

Chrono Trigger is considered one of the greatest RPG's of all time. He definitely has a solid chance of getting into Smash.
 
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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
There's quite a few Capcom characters I wouldn't mind seeing get a Mii Costume - most of them have already appeared in MVC3 and would be fun to have a shout-out to other classic Capcom franchises.

For the Swordfighters I'd probably say Arthur from Ghosts n' Goblins (otherwise he'd make an absolutely hilarious choice for a fighter), Strider Hiryu (One of my main characters from UMVC3 and my handle's namesake).

For the Brawlers, I'd probably say a Frank West Mii Costume would be a pleasant surprise, or even a Viewtiful Joe Mii costume if he can't make it to playable status.
 

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Here's some notable stuff I've noticed or heard that are in his favor.
-Fatal Frame, which is represented via the Yuri AT, is partially owned by Koei. This is odd, as all the other third party ATs are either from already represented series (Alucard or Shadow, for instance), from companies already involved (Konami's Bomberman, Sega's Akira, and Capcom's Rathalos) or from indie companies (Shovel Knight, and also Sans and Shantae as non-ATs). The only comparable thing I can think of are the #TMS spirits, who I imagine are partially owned by...:ultjoker:'s Atlus.

-Koei and Nintendo have been buddies recently. Pokemon Conquest, Fire Emblem and Hyrule Warriors, and Fire Emblem Three Houses either use their IPs, were partially developed by them, or even both.

-The DLC fighters appear to be releasing in Reverse-Chronological order to their debut.
:ultjoker: - 2016
:ulthero:- When averaged, their debut year is 1999.
:ultbanjokazooie:-1997 (Diddy Kong Racing) / 1998 (Banjo-Kazooie)
:seuss::ultken: (/s)- 1991

If this holds weight, this means the next character will have debuted on or around the time of the NES. And Ninja Gaiden just so happens to be a classic NES series.

-Apparently, in the German version of Ultimate, there was only one Smash 4 veteran with a new Announcer voice-line. And that happens to be :ultryu:.
I don't think that all of those claims matter, but the fact that there are so many things that could be hinting at him intrigue me.
Sorry, but the logic behind Hero falling into this reverse chronological timeline through average release years is so much of a stretch that not even Lanky Kong can stretch his arms out for you.
Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
Honestly I'd be on board with Reimu getting a Mii Costume if she came with Bad Apple. Aside from that, I'd like Kasumi P5R, the house leaders from Three Houses, Master Chief, and Fortnite Jonesy for ****s and giggles.
 

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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
WHY THE **** IS SLIME A MII HAT BUT NOT JACK FROST.

HE'S YOUR COMPANY MASCOT, ATLUS.
 

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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
I think it'd be neat if Terry's wave of Mii costumes came with an Ikari Warriors outfit that could be worn by both Brawlers and Gunners.
 
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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
Beat, if only for the possibility that he comes with music like Sans did.
I just want Funky Dealer in Smash BibleThump
 

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at this point just give us multiple JSR Mii outfits, so we can get even more tracks.

One Jet Set Radio song is in no way enough
We're gonna need a lot of costumes then, because there are so many JSR songs I'd love in Smash.

Give me all of them.
 
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at this point just give us multiple JSR Mii outfits, so we can get even more tracks.

One Jet Set Radio song is in no way enough
We're gonna need a lot of costumes then, because there are so many JSR songs I'd love in Smash.

Give me all of them.
**** it just give us Tokyo-to as a stage with Castlevania levels of music
I just want that Hideki Naganuma goodness
 

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Let's bring another topic since this is kinda getting repetitive.

Is there any character you like, who doesn't seem to have that many possibilities but you would be fine with them having a Mii Costume?

I loved Goemon's reveal for example even if not a full fledged fighter, I find it amazing to have his costume in absence of content. I would still like a Bomberman one, more Monster Hunter armors, Chun-Li...
Meh...I prefer them as actual characters, rather than Mii fighters...but there are...allot of characters from existing franchises that I'd LOVE to see in Smash. Smash kinda gives me that opportunity to look up the games the fighters originated from and think up fighters. More Earthbound characters like Ninten, Porky, and Claus. Kid Icarus characters like Viridi, Medusa, & Hades to join in. A whole list of Kirby characters....Adeleine doesn't have a Spirit...yet she's from Kirby, so I cri she won't get in. Anyway uhhhhh...still want Mindna for a TP rep...and so on.

Anyway, it's a pipe dream, and if other franchises with so little reps suddenly gets bloated with them, people'll just complain. The idea of more Kid Icarus reps joining Smash is almost a beauty to think up, but there are people who wouldn't want that. Be it a waste of a slot, or there are people thinking dead franchises like Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Earthbound, & F-Zero aren't deserving for reps. Apart of me thinks that memes brought :ultridley: in. But if that were true Waluigi would've been in already.
 
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WHY THE **** IS SLIME A MII HAT BUT NOT JACK FROST.

HE'S YOUR COMPANY MASCOT, ATLUS.
Theory time: We end up getting 'Jane' (i.e. Kasumi Yoshizowa) as our first cross-promotion Echo to promote Persona 5: Scramble. Once 'Jane' is out, they add additional Sega/Atlus Mii costumes, including Jack Frost. Maybe some (additional?) Koei Tecmo (since P5 Scramble is a KT/Atlus collab) ones as well, assuming we get Hayabusa.
 
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I would pay good money for Jet Set Radio content in Smash, that game defined my taste in music more than any single album.

Oh who am I kidding, I'd pay good amount for ANY Jet Set Radio content in general, come on Sega revive these games!
 
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