Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Momotsuki]

I gotta agree now that it's mentioned if we get anything more it'll be a cheap Echo Pack. I recall it was said the game could only hold up to 90 characters before crashing, something around those lines I heard...

The character select screen layout data only supports up to 91 tiles as it stands and has stood since the game was released. It's not some insurmountable hurdle for the developers if for whatever reason they needed more. I've never read too much into it since if the developers need more slots on the CSS, it's pretty easy for them to just go and do that, perhaps at the expense of navigation; it's already starting to get a bit unwieldy, haha.

 

[Ivander]

I gotta agree now that it's mentioned if we get anything more it'll be a cheap Echo Pack. I recall it was said the game could only hold up to 90 characters before crashing, something around those lines I heard...

Making 4 echos wouldn't take up as much data and easy and quick to make

I mean, I wouldn't mind a Echo pack, but if a 3rd pack happens, I don't quite see them doing only Echo characters. Like maybe 3 Uniques and 3 Echos, with each Echo coming with each Unique?
Well I don't know, but aside from an Echos-only pack, I don't really see Echos being advertised by themselves. Like, none of the previous Echo Fighters were advertised by themselves:
-I believe Daisy was advertised with Inkling, Ridley and "Everyone is Here!".
-Richter, Chrom and Dark Samus were revealed with Simon and K.Rool.
-And Ken was revealed alongside Incineroar.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Well, my post last night has taught me a valuable lesson; don’t just believe every last TV Tropes bullet point.

Still holding out hope for my big pipe dream, no matter how low her chances are.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

And he does have a shirtless skin, allegedly.

This is mostly unrelated to your post. But it is confirmed Sephiroth has a shirtless skin, its on the website.

 

[7NATOR]

Also I just wanted to add some Speculation

I think we will get a Character that Has a Animated Trailer, or at least a Trailer that's not just the Regular CGI from Digital Frontier. I think them doing all the Trailers could be Expensive

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You're fully correct- but that's all it means when fans say "chances." Recency means relevancy, too. We have a lot of misnomers, and as a whole, follow stupid rules that are constantly broken.

But hey- everyone needs some wool- the sheep are needed.

I disagree with this notion. Yes, we rely on precedence, but what else are we gonna do? Develop psychic powers? Right now precedence is all we got.

And sure, we have never gotten a single character right unless it was obvious (and I mean actually obvious, none of this hindsight crap), but that's OK. Speculation is the fun part, not actually knowing who the character is. In fact, most people here don't actually want to know so they don't spoil the surprise as paradoxical as that is.

 

[SharkLord]

I disagree with this notion. Yes, we rely on precedence, but what else are we gonna do? Develop psychic powers? Right now precedence is all we got.

And sure, we have never gotten a single character right unless it was obvious (and I mean actually obvious, none of this hindsight crap), but that's OK. Speculation is the fun part, not actually knowing who the character is. In fact, most people here don't actually want to know so they don't spoil the surprise as paradoxical as that is.

Yeah, pretty much this. I'm just pinging ideas and finding out about new games. I don't work at Nintendo and neither does my uncle; It'd be wrong if I started acting like I knew everything.

 

[Momotsuki]

I'll always act like I know everything. Unless I was wrong, in which case I was just joking. I am so drunk with hubris and I really don't have a good reason for it. Do you see what you're doing to me, thread? To my health?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

So the big 3 made a joint announcement this morning.

 

[cothero]

Do you guys think a gen 8 Pokémon rep is a safe bet in this fighter pass? I mean, although not so relevant anymore (Pokémon S&S was released one year ago), Game Freak/Nintendo will probably try to force the inclusion of a New Pokémon into Ultimate. The only new Nintendo fighters i can possibly see getting added are characters to promote relatively new IP's (like Min Min, a Sword and Shield Pokémon or the Wii Ring Fit girl). Personally, i think there's too many Pokémon and FE characters already in this damn game. What do you think?

 

[Momotsuki]

Do you guys think a gen 8 Pokémon rep is a safe bet in this fighter pass? I mean, although not so relevant anymore (Pokémon S&S was released one year ago), Game Freak/Nintendo will probably try to force the inclusion of a New Pokémon into Ultimate. The only new Nintendo fighters i can possibly see getting added are characters to promote relatively new IP's (like Min Min, a Sword and Shield Pokémon or the Wii Ring Fit girl). Personally, i think there's too many Pokémon and FE characters already in this damn game. What do you think?

Safe bet? Not at all. Possible? Unfortunately. I mean, it won't be Grimmsnarl, so there you go.

 

[Louie G.]

In regards to a previous topic - I don't expect Chun-Li or Eggman, and certainly don’t see them as “frontrunners” - but I am excited at the prospect that we could be seeing those characters pop up more since Sephiroth has torn down another perceived barrier. There's no harm in having more characters to talk about, after all.

And Chun-Li in particular is someone I've been wanting more and more for the last few months now. So the fact that the opportunity has presented itself for more original characters from third party series makes me happy for the future of Smash in general, not just the chance of having another one of those characters as DLC. If not in Ultimate (and probably not in Ultimate) I imagine Chun-Li will be a no-brainer in the future so long as Ryu sticks around.

Kinda sucks that since I've become more confident in voicing support for this character now (who I've wanted for some time now) that people will accuse me of joining a bandwagon, but that's just how it's gonna be I guess. I think there's definitely a clear difference between expecting something to happen based on nonexistent patterns or precedents or becoming more confident that something CAN happen, which leads to more excitement toward specific characters.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

So the big 3 made a joint announcement this morning.

That seems less like a joint announcement and, rather, a Microsoft announcement concerning Microsoft’s policies after talks with Nintendo and Sony. Neither have made likeminded statements and all three haven’t actually made a unified joint statement.

 

[SharkLord]

Do you guys think a gen 8 Pokémon rep is a safe bet in this fighter pass? I mean, although not so relevant anymore (Pokémon S&S was released one year ago), Game Freak/Nintendo will probably try to force the inclusion of a New Pokémon into Ultimate. The only new Nintendo fighters i can possibly see getting added are characters to promote relatively new IP's (like Min Min, a Sword and Shield Pokémon or the Wii Ring Fit girl). Personally, i think there's too many Pokémon and FE characters already in this damn game. What do you think?

It had a Spirit Event. If it was planned for a Challenger's Pack, it wouldn't have put the starters and mascot legendaries in a Spirit Event. Seems like major blow to me.

 

[cothero]

Safe bet? Not at all. Possible? Unfortunately. I mean, it won't be Grimmsnarl, so there you go.

I didn't even knew what that is, so i had to google it. Now my eyes are bleeding, thanks.

 

[Momotsuki]

I didn't even knew what that is, so i had to google it. Now my eyes are bleeding, thanks.

Huh. I thought he was one of most interesting designs for Galar. Dark/Fairy is probably my favorite possible type combination and I thought he did it nice justice. Different strokes, though~

 

[cothero]

Huh. I thought he was one of most interesting designs for Galar. Dark/Fairy is probably my favorite possible type combination and I thought he did it nice justice. Different strokes, though~

That thing is one of the most interesting?... Damn...

 

[Pokelego999]

That thing is one of the most interesting?... Damn...

It's a really good design. And that's in a generation of really good designs.

 

[cothero]

It had a Spirit Event. If it was planned for a Challenger's Pack, it wouldn't have put the starters and mascot legendaries in a Spirit Event. Seems like major blow to me.

Your response comforts me. Thank you.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I do get the other side though. If speculation is to be fun for everyone, we should be a lot less...like our opinions are fact. I don't think anyone genuinely believes that, but we all word it like it is for the sake of a compelling argument. Maybe go less hard on what can't happen, and shift focus to what could. (and of course, this is aimed at me as well)

After all. The strongest precedent is that the next fighter will probably be unprecedented. lol

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

It’s my understanding that Sakurai has three houses: one he shares with his wife, his work/development house, and finally a summer home he goes to for vacations and such.

Sakurai Emblem: Three Houses

 

[Momotsuki]

It's a really good design. And that's in a generation of really good designs.

It's a real shame the designs had to debut in something otherwise so tragically weak. Those poor cartridges could've had something nice printed on them.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Do you guys think a gen 8 Pokémon rep is a safe bet in this fighter pass?

I see it as about as likely as a Resident Evil rep, a Ring Fit rep, or an Astral Chain rep getting in this pass.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Where exactly does this originate from? I have seen this sentiment, or something similar, many times in the past few days but never heard how people came up with this idea. Is it just a nameless rumor or was there a verifiable source that suggested it might be the case?

There are a few things that go into it, and I should probably reword my previous comment to reflect that. We don't know anything for a fact, but here goes nothing!

We recently learned that Steve was in the works for a few years, and it's plausible to suggest that Steve was handled alongside Banjo-Kazooie. Byleth was obviously chosen before Three Houses released. Min-Min (or at least an ARMS character) missed the base roster, and we didn't get an ARMS stage or music selection.

We also know that Nintendo made certain decisions, that Cloud was difficult to retain (from insiders iirc), etc. With that in mind, if you piece a few things together, it seems to suggest a few things.

1) Joker and Terry are Sakurai picks. He loved the art style of Persona 5 and he grew up playing Fatal Fury.

2) Sakurai was essentially told to add a Three Houses character, and ARMS was a special request from Nintendo. This suggests these characters are "corporate" picks, being different from the picks Sakurai made.

3) Considering the situation with Cloud (likely coming down to money issues vs. Nintendo wanting Everyone is Here), I find it plausible that the negotiations took the turn toward..."you scratch my back, I scratch yours", and resulted in Cloud in base roster, with Sephiroth pushed to DLC. While this is speculation on my part, I THOUGHT I heard that somebody, an insider, mentioned something similarly.

This could also be a bundle of nothing, but I frankly feel that where there's smoke, there's probably fire. It seems wholly plausible that picks for both passes were decided around the same time, and that Pass 2 was planned sooner than we think. At least, considering we have a three-peat going with companies from last pass (Nintendo, Microsoft, Square Enix), it seems plausible that they were negotiated for at the same time.

It ALSO would explain why certain Mii costumes didn't come back during the first Fighters Pass. There's really only two ways it would have panned out- either they selected costumes conveniently from companies we would double dip in...OR...it was planned this way from the start, especially considering we didn't get popular choices like Geno, Lloyd, and Monster Hunter costumes.

It may appear just to be me theorycrafting, and it totally might be! But I certainly think there's a case to be made for it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I see it as about as likely as a Resident Evil rep, a Ring Fit rep, or an Astral Chain rep getting in this pass.

Astral Chain was done so dirty, I hope they’re a shoo-in for the next Smash and/or Ultimate Deluxe

 

[BlondeLombax]

Do you guys think a gen 8 Pokémon rep is a safe bet in this fighter pass? I mean, although not so relevant anymore (Pokémon S&S was released one year ago), Game Freak/Nintendo will probably try to force the inclusion of a New Pokémon into Ultimate. The only new Nintendo fighters i can possibly see getting added are characters to promote relatively new IP's (like Min Min, a Sword and Shield Pokémon or the Wii Ring Fit girl). Personally, i think there's too many Pokémon and FE characters already in this damn game. What do you think?

As someone who loved Shield, I have just the clip for this;

With how straight-up controversial SwSh has been, I think the team would much rather play it safe with another franchise than anger a noticeable sect of a notoriously divided fandom.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

realistically it'd probably just be all (or mostly) S-E costumes. I don't see Lloyd coming with him or MonHun for some reason

imma go out on a limb tho and declare we will get a non-SE PreMiium and that's Monokuma (Brawler with a Danganronpa remix) cause Monokuma is also all about dat despair

in fact if Lloyd is nowhere to be seen in the upcoming Mii part of the presentation, they could be saving him for KOS-MOS if the rumor is true

If Sephiroth is gonna bring non-Square Enix costumes with him, the two Monster Hunter costumes would make the most sense (at least out of the few returning Smash 4 costumes), considering the collaboration between Monster Hunter: World and Final Fantasy XIV...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I didn't even knew what that is, so i had to google it. Now my eyes are bleeding, thanks.

Against better judgement I looked it up to see if you found something gross instead.

Thankfully that was not the case. Grimmsnarl is one of the weirder designs for sure, and to be totally honest, it does look a bit too much like a Yo-Kai (especially it's base form, Impidimp), but I don't think it looks that bad.

Better than Eiscue anyway.

wheese
"Look at the top of it's head!"

 

[7NATOR]

Chun-Li has been getting mentioned, so I thought it be interesting to post this

There was a post in 2018 from xenother , the guy who talked to Vergeben. He said that Chun-Li was scrapped due to moveset reasons and never made it to the Development phase

[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads. | Page 77 | Smashboards

Though this guy did say no Banjo, so eh. Perhaps he heard Steve a whole bunch and assumed no Steve and Banjo and Same pass, but interesting post to look back on. Don't think it's real right now, yes

 

[N3ON]

There are a few things that go into it, and I should probably reword my previous comment to reflect that. We don't know anything for a fact, but here goes nothing!

We recently learned that Steve was in the works for a few years, and it's plausible to suggest that Steve was handled alongside Banjo-Kazooie. Byleth was obviously chosen before Three Houses released. Min-Min (or at least an ARMS character) missed the base roster, and we didn't get an ARMS stage or music selection.

We also know that Nintendo made certain decisions, that Cloud was difficult to retain (from insiders iirc), etc. With that in mind, if you piece a few things together, it seems to suggest a few things.

1) Joker and Terry are Sakurai picks. He loved the art style of Persona 5 and he grew up playing Fatal Fury.

2) Sakurai was essentially told to add a Three Houses character, and ARMS was a special request from Nintendo. This suggests these characters are "corporate" picks, being different from the picks Sakurai made.

3) Considering the situation with Cloud (likely coming down to money issues vs. Nintendo wanting Everyone is Here), I find it plausible that the negotiations took the turn toward..."you scratch my back, I scratch yours", and resulted in Cloud in base roster, with Sephiroth pushed to DLC. While this is speculation on my part, I THOUGHT I heard that somebody, an insider, mentioned something similarly.

This could also be a bundle of nothing, but I frankly feel that where there's smoke, there's probably fire. It seems wholly plausible that picks for both passes were decided around the same time, and that Pass 2 was planned sooner than we think. At least, considering we have a three-peat going with companies from last pass (Nintendo, Microsoft, Square Enix), it seems plausible that they were negotiated for at the same time.

It ALSO would explain why certain Mii costumes didn't come back during the first Fighters Pass. There's really only two ways it would have panned out- either they selected costumes conveniently from companies we would double dip in...OR...it was planned this way from the start, especially considering we didn't get popular choices like Geno, Lloyd, and Monster Hunter costumes.

It may appear just to be me theorycrafting, and it totally might be! But I certainly think there's a case to be made for it.

If anything it seems like people with some degree of inner insight have suggested Sephiroth came about from failing to acquire Sora. After having Square on board (and yes, Square doesn't own Sora, but obviously they would be involved should he have come to Smash), the obstacle became Disney, and when that failed, they negotiated with the willing party to still include someone.

That's not my theory - I think the other makes more sense - but it is the one that Imran, Max, and MondoMega (?) have seemed to suggest is likely what happened.

 

[Shroob]

I really don't understand why people say this. I know it's a (racist but not negative) comment that Japanese people work hard---- but it's not like half of the USA doesn't have to work multiple jobs. I know I work 80 hour weeks (in regular times). Sakurai has the dream job of his profession- why would he want to leave it?

Racist?

Karoshi is an actual issue in Japan where people will work themselves to literal death, to the point that the Japanese government has had to make many moves to try to better the work life of people, like introducing a brand new holiday at the end of every month like Premium Friday.


Yeah, people work themselves to death all over the world, but Japan sees it as an actual issue since it's soo common.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

From what I've seen, the designs in Generation 8 aren't terrible by any stretch, just really divisive. If you like the general design choices that they make, then you're going to love quite a bit of them, but if you don't, you're pretty much gonna hate the whole batch.

Not sure what those design choices are though. Like, I really like a living ice cream cone and a snowflake, why do I hate living Stonehenge so much? I like a literal pair of gears, why do I hate a penguin with an ice cube on its head?

One thing that I can pinpoint though is this:

Spoiler: This is Grapploct.

I hate this design, but initially, I loved it. Why? Well, see that area right underneath it's mask markings? That's not where it's mouth is. It's mouth is where its head and torso meet, and that bothers me to no end.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

There are a few things that go into it, and I should probably reword my previous comment to reflect that. We don't know anything for a fact, but here goes nothing!

We recently learned that Steve was in the works for a few years, and it's plausible to suggest that Steve was handled alongside Banjo-Kazooie. Byleth was obviously chosen before Three Houses released. Min-Min (or at least an ARMS character) missed the base roster, and we didn't get an ARMS stage or music selection.

We also know that Nintendo made certain decisions, that Cloud was difficult to retain (from insiders iirc), etc. With that in mind, if you piece a few things together, it seems to suggest a few things.

1) Joker and Terry are Sakurai picks. He loved the art style of Persona 5 and he grew up playing Fatal Fury.

2) Sakurai was essentially told to add a Three Houses character, and ARMS was a special request from Nintendo. This suggests these characters are "corporate" picks, being different from the picks Sakurai made.

3) Considering the situation with Cloud (likely coming down to money issues vs. Nintendo wanting Everyone is Here), I find it plausible that the negotiations took the turn toward..."you scratch my back, I scratch yours", and resulted in Cloud in base roster, with Sephiroth pushed to DLC. While this is speculation on my part, I THOUGHT I heard that somebody, an insider, mentioned something similarly.

This could also be a bundle of nothing, but I frankly feel that where there's smoke, there's probably fire. It seems wholly plausible that picks for both passes were decided around the same time, and that Pass 2 was planned sooner than we think. At least, considering we have a three-peat going with companies from last pass (Nintendo, Microsoft, Square Enix), it seems plausible that they were negotiated for at the same time.

It ALSO would explain why certain Mii costumes didn't come back during the first Fighters Pass. There's really only two ways it would have panned out- either they selected costumes conveniently from companies we would double dip in...OR...it was planned this way from the start, especially considering we didn't get popular choices like Geno, Lloyd, and Monster Hunter costumes.

It may appear just to be me theorycrafting, and it totally might be! But I certainly think there's a case to be made for it.

I'm probably reading into it too far, but I wonder what does that mean for Porky's chance. I know he doesn't have the best chance, but his lack of spirit is still super weird for me since the begining. I mean, we know that Sakurai's a huge fan of Mother and he was even a boss in brawl, there's no way the team just forgot about him. What if they just planned since the begining to make him playable and he was pushed for some reason. I'm probably just dreaming sicne he's my most wanted, but I still can't stop thinking about that even 2 years after release. It's just so weird...

Also seing Sephiroth in action makes me want even more vilains.

 

[Thewafflemaker2000]

Sakurai said instead of a fighters pass 2 they were just going to make a few more characters unbundled together. They might be able to do that after the 2nd pass is over

 

[PeridotGX]

Gen 8 has a lot of designs i like. the problem is that most of the ones i like aren't going to be playable (Mr. Rime, Grimmsnarl, Regieleki), and I'm much more iffy on the frontrunners.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Sakurai said instead of a fighters pass 2 they were just going to make a few more characters unbundled together. They might be able to do that after the 2nd pass is over

Got a source for that?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Sakurai said instead of a fighters pass 2 they were just going to make a few more characters unbundled together. They might be able to do that after the 2nd pass is over

Actually, I think he said something more like "so we're having a new pass. How many characters are in it you ask? Well I thought 2 or 3 would suffice, but NOPE! 6!"

 

[CureParfait]

Do you guys think a gen 8 Pokémon rep is a safe bet in this fighter pass? I mean, although not so relevant anymore (Pokémon S&S was released one year ago), Game Freak/Nintendo will probably try to force the inclusion of a New Pokémon into Ultimate. The only new Nintendo fighters i can possibly see getting added are characters to promote relatively new IP's (like Min Min, a Sword and Shield Pokémon or the Wii Ring Fit girl). Personally, i think there's too many Pokémon and FE characters already in this damn game. What do you think?

No not really at this point I think any Pokemon can get in as DLC.

 

[MooMew64]

Sakurai said instead of a fighters pass 2 they were just going to make a few more characters unbundled together. They might be able to do that after the 2nd pass is over

I don't think he said that. Do you have a source?

 

[I.D.]

There are a few things that go into it, and I should probably reword my previous comment to reflect that. We don't know anything for a fact, but here goes nothing!

We recently learned that Steve was in the works for a few years, and it's plausible to suggest that Steve was handled alongside Banjo-Kazooie. Byleth was obviously chosen before Three Houses released. Min-Min (or at least an ARMS character) missed the base roster, and we didn't get an ARMS stage or music selection.

We also know that Nintendo made certain decisions, that Cloud was difficult to retain (from insiders iirc), etc. With that in mind, if you piece a few things together, it seems to suggest a few things.

1) Joker and Terry are Sakurai picks. He loved the art style of Persona 5 and he grew up playing Fatal Fury.

2) Sakurai was essentially told to add a Three Houses character, and ARMS was a special request from Nintendo. This suggests these characters are "corporate" picks, being different from the picks Sakurai made.

3) Considering the situation with Cloud (likely coming down to money issues vs. Nintendo wanting Everyone is Here), I find it plausible that the negotiations took the turn toward..."you scratch my back, I scratch yours", and resulted in Cloud in base roster, with Sephiroth pushed to DLC. While this is speculation on my part, I THOUGHT I heard that somebody, an insider, mentioned something similarly.

This could also be a bundle of nothing, but I frankly feel that where there's smoke, there's probably fire. It seems wholly plausible that picks for both passes were decided around the same time, and that Pass 2 was planned sooner than we think. At least, considering we have a three-peat going with companies from last pass (Nintendo, Microsoft, Square Enix), it seems plausible that they were negotiated for at the same time.

It ALSO would explain why certain Mii costumes didn't come back during the first Fighters Pass. There's really only two ways it would have panned out- either they selected costumes conveniently from companies we would double dip in...OR...it was planned this way from the start, especially considering we didn't get popular choices like Geno, Lloyd, and Monster Hunter costumes.

It may appear just to be me theorycrafting, and it totally might be! But I certainly think there's a case to be made for it.

Let me try to tackle this...

1) There is still no evidence for Sakurai picks. Sakurai has stated the selection of DLC characters has been made by Nintendo on four separate occasions now: November 2017 in a tweet, in an interview I can't quite remember now in the middle of season 1, in his Famitsu column about Byleth and finally in Steve's presentation. You might argue that he can make requests or suggestions to Nintendo, sure, but there is no evidence that Nintendo gave him carte blanche for any given spot. Also... Sakurai plays hundreds of games every year. It's hard to pin down what his favorites might be.

2) Following up on the previous point, every pick is a "corporate" pick, in the sense that the mandate ultimately comes from above and Sakurai has expressed he would only refuse characters if he doesn't know how to implement them.

3) This is purely a rumor originating from Japanese circles. It sounds quite plausible, however no insider has commented on it as far as I know.

Regarding when the pass was decided, while it's obvious Nintendo had already been kicking certain ideas around for a while, it's quite hard to believe Nintendo had already decided all these things down to the detail during development of the base game.

First of all, the elephant in the room, it's Imran Khan outright saying the second pass was greenlit during 2019, around E3 time. As far as insiders go, he's plenty credible and he obviously already knew about it before it was officially announced.

If you don't like bringing insiders into the equation there are still other pieces that don't fit: Banjo's negotiations started at E3 2018 as outright said by Rare in an interview, and Banjo was part of the first season. We also had that tweet from Sakurai on November of that year saying that DLC fighters of the Fighter's Pass had finally been decided. How could Nintendo seriously plan two seasons down to the detail when negotiations for characters that were part of season 1 were still ongoing during the year of Ultimate's release? Sounds hard to believe.

Another thing that is super suspicious but that I only noticed recently is the massive 6 month time gap between Byleth and Min Min. Originally we all assumed it might be for things like... lower budget, smaller team, being too complex, working from home, etc, etc. But then we've had Steve and now Sephiroth being released at a pretty brisk pace, somewhat similar to that of the previous pass. To me this is really a sign that the second pass didn't enter production until the second half of 2019, just like Imran suggested, and thus the reason for the first character of season 2 taking such a long time is simply that they had absolutely no work done on season 2, because it hadn't been greenlit by then.

Regarding the mii costume thing, another thing that might support this is that Joker is actually the character that came with the highest amount of mii costumes, and then every character after him reduced the amount. It might be a sign that after greenlighting season 2, they held back a few costumes that were initially intended for season 1, most notable suspects so far being Heihachi and Gil.