Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

Nintendo: we want you to add Monster Hunter, Lloid, and Astral Chain guy.

Sakurai: No. Monster Hunter and Astral Chain guy have two voices each! The sound menu.... it won't be a perfect square! It's one too many!

The line of thinking is that the dev team obviously knows how many voice slots are going to be filled, so they left the exact number of placeholders in.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'll let you try to guess which line belongs to which character

My guess is the Red one is KOS-MOS: The blue spike near the end there is probably Terry's reveal, and the red spike is when KOS-MOS started trending in speculation before Byleth was revealed.

but i mean we didnt get a Rep from a Company that wasnt represented!

It's still a decision made before the global pandemic. It wouldn't have factored into anything.

 

[RileyXY1]

I myself don't consider any of the Pokemon as villains. In the words from the series, there are no evil Pokemon, only evil trainers.

 

[3BitSaurus]

One thing we can all agree on when it comes to new character inclusions, is the meme and fanart are truly glorious.

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This works surprisingly well.

You know, I just realized something.

Y'all know how Shared Content is kinda known for its Shared Thirst? Imagine what we'll see now with shirtless Sephiroth.

The world is not ready.

 

[RileyXY1]

I just feel like Xenosaga isn't a historically significant series. It's just some old games that were declared to be failures by its own creator, and as I said before, KOS-MOS isn't even really a big fan request like Banjo or even Bayonetta were.

I think Sakurai/Nintendo have mostly done a bang up job at including historical/legacy third party guests, the ones that have at least one game considered one of the best of all time, and I'd just think Xenosaga would stick out like a sorethumb for that reason. I always felt the same way with Travis from No More Heroes.

Yeah she would, especially considering that there are other Namco Bandai franchises that are more successful, popular, and iconic like Tales, Digimon, and Tekken.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You know, I just realized something.

Y'all know how Shared Content is kinda known for its Shared Thirst? Imagine what we'll see now with shirtless Sephiroth.

The world is not ready.

Bottom text.

 

[Oracle Link]

I myself don't consider any of the Pokemon as villains. In the words from the series, there are no evil Pokemon, only evil trainers.

the ghost type did nothing wrong

Singing in eerie voices, they wander town streets on the night of the new moon. Anyone who hears their song is cursed.
Y	It enwraps its prey in its hairlike arms. It sings joyfully as it observes the suffering of its prey.
Omega Ruby	Singing in eerie voices, they wander town streets on the night of the new moon. Anyone who hears their song is cursed.
Alpha Sapphire	It enwraps its prey in its hairlike arms. It sings joyfully as it observes the suffering of its prey.

 

[PeridotGX]

The line of thinking is that the dev team obviously knows how many voice slots are going to be filled, so they left the exact number of placeholders in.

that might work for volume 1, but volume 2 was decided well after the menu was created.

 

[DarthEnderX]

"While Terry is popular, his franchise is not, and unlikely to ever get a new installment again. "

Let's be honest here. KoF is Terry's franchise now.

who tf are Kos-Mos and Reimu????????

Hah! This guy gets it.

 

[BZocky]

“are we getting the original midi or the Advent Children remix?”
Square Enix:

 

[MooMew64]

I don't think Sephiroth of all characters makes Nintendo reps more likely, lol.

Speaking as someone who's done this before, we gotta stop knee-jerk reacting to reveals and thinking that "[INSERT CHARACTER] is in for sure now!" A new reveal does shake things up, yes, but does Sephiroth automatically mean certain choices are "locks"? Personally, I'd say no: He's put a few pieces back on the board, but one instance of something happening is not a pattern, we cannot conclusively use it as evidence for something being a precedent IMHO.

As for the "Nintendo drops all the big characters first" mentality, while that is typically true, that doesn't mean they purposefully choose characters that they think are "boring" or "not hype": That's a community made mindset and it's completely subjective as well.

I'm with Scoliosis Jones on this one: It doesn't matter who the final character is because it'll be viewed as a disappointment anyway. Fandoms who viewed it as their "last shot" will feel burned regardless of who it is because it wasn't their character.

TL;DR: I don't think Sephiroth means every character from here on will be "downhill". People said this with Steve, and then the One Winged Angel showed up.

 

[Lyncario]

PC-98 wouldn't have different voicelines, though, as it's still Reimu, so that wouldn't make sense. It'd have to be another character popping along with Reimu Perfect Possession-style like in AoCF.

That not how the voice filles work in Ultimate. For example, the voice file for Joker also has the voice file for Morgana, but Ike has 2 different voice files, one for his PoR alts, and one for his RD alts (same goes for Bayo).

 

[TheTuninator]

I just feel like Xenosaga isn't a historically significant series. It's just some old games that were declared to be failures by its own creator, and as I said before, KOS-MOS isn't even really a big fan request like Banjo or even Bayonetta were.

I think Sakurai/Nintendo have mostly done a bang up job at including historical/legacy third party guests, the ones that have at least one game considered one of the best of all time, and I'd just think Xenosaga would stick out like a sorethumb for that reason. I always felt the same way with Travis from No More Heroes.

There's no requirement that reps be from a "historically significant" series, though. We need to be careful about making up rules for Sakurai and Nintendo. I agree that KOS-MOS is extremely unlikely, for the record, but at the end of the day you can't rule it out. For example, P5 is a great game but was still very recent at the time of Joker's inclusion into Ultimate.

 

[I.D.]

My guess is the Red one is KOS-MOS: The blue spike near the end there is probably Terry's reveal, and the red spike is when KOS-MOS started trending in speculation before Byleth was revealed.

Wrong, I intentionally cut it before September of 2019 since Smash dramatically warped the results
Hint: The lines are color coded.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

the ghost type did nothing wrong

And this is the entry for Gourgeist. Gougeist! The pumpkin one! The one that people go to the pumpkin patch in the fall to go catch.

 

[TheTuninator]

That not how the voice filles work in Ultimate. For example, the voice file for Joker also has the voice file for Morgana, but Ike has 2 different voice files, one for his PoR alts, and one for his RD alts (same goes for Bayo).

I may have been a bit vague in my explanation. Unlike PoR Ike vs. RD Ike, PC-98 Reimu is not physically different from Windows-era Reimu. Touhou is kind of like the Simpsons - the stories keep coming, but the characters don't really age. Reimu's been frozen in late teens or early 20s basically forever. Thus, there would be no reason for a PC-98 alt to have a different voice. It'd be the same voice lines and a different outfit.

 

[Oracle Link]

I don't think Sephiroth of all characters makes Nintendo reps more likely, lol.

Speaking as someone who's done this before, we gotta stop knee-jerk reacting to reveals and thinking that "[INSERT CHARACTER] is in for sure now!" A new reveal does shake things up, yes, but does Sephiroth automatically mean certain choices are "locks"? Personally, I'd say no: He's put a few pieces back on the board, but one instance of something happening is not a pattern, we cannot conclusively use it as evidence for something being a precedent IMHO.

As for the "Nintendo drops all the big characters first" mentality, while that is typically true, that doesn't mean they purposefully choose characters that they think are "boring" or "not hype": That's a community made mindset and it's completely subjective as well.

I'm with Scoliosis Jones on this one: It doesn't matter who the final character is because it'll be viewed as a disappointment anyway. Fandoms who viewed it as their "last shot" will feel burned regardless of who it is because it wasn't their character.

TL;DR: I don't think Sephiroth means every character from here on will be "downhill". People said this with Steve, and then the One Winged Angel showed up.

i just wish for a new Zelda and Kirby Rep we havent gotten one since Meele/Brawl

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That not how the voice filles work in Ultimate. For example, the voice file for Joker also has the voice file for Morgana, but Ike has 2 different voice files, one for his PoR alts, and one for his RD alts (same goes for Bayo).

That's because Ike is older in RD and even the source material brings changes to his voice to reflect on that.

There's no point in doing that for Reimu because there's no clear sign of aging.

 

[XorahnGaia]

The line of thinking is that the dev team obviously knows how many voice slots are going to be filled, so they left the exact number of placeholders in.

But that's the thing: it's highly unlikely that the team knew how many voicelines were going to be filled in totale since FP vol.2 wasn't part of the original gameplan for the game (as far as we know).

Like if we're going to take into account Voice theory we might as well start to expect two more extra stages to be added to Ultimate so then the Stage Select Screen will be a perfect square when the support for the game ends.

 

[Oracle Link]

And this is the entry for Gourgeist. Gougeist! The pumpkin one! The one that people go to the pumpkin patch in the fall to go catch.

you know that Geist means Ghost right?????

 

[I.D.]

Let's be honest here. KoF is Terry's franchise now.

This is pretty funny considering there was a point you gave me a lot of **** for saying Terry was repping SNK as a whole while you insisted he was there due to Fatal Fury.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

Imma be honest it's really odd seeing the newcomer thread talk about Reimu so much lmao
I won't complain tho, it's about time Touhou got more exposition from the smash speculation scene of all places

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

you know that Geist means Ghost right?????

Yes, but this is the funny jack-o'-lantern ghost. One does not expect such horrendous intentions from one such as that.

 

[Deleted member]

that might work for volume 1, but volume 2 was decided well after the menu was created.

I genuinely don't know if there were any slots added since launch, so I apologize.

Edit:

 

[Oracle Link]

And this is the entry for Gourgeist. Gougeist! The pumpkin one! The one that people go to the pumpkin patch in the fall to go catch.

here ten/nine? more

 

[Wunderwaft]

Imma be honest it's really odd seeing the newcomer thread talk about Reimu so much lmao
I won't complain tho, it's about time Touhou got more exposition from the smash speculation scene of all places

I remember bringing up Reimu at early 2019 and not many people treated her seriously. Wild how that changed.

 

[Oracle Link]

here ten/nine? more

Edit: i done goofed

 

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Wonder how many people will expect the next character here

Touhou Luna Knights, Hollow Knight Silksong, Gestalt: Steam and Cinder.

Please and thank you.

 

[kirbsmash]

Answer me this, what if we....just wait it out rather then just bluntly hyping ourselves up? Seph's moveset isn't even shown fully yet. What about the miis?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You know, I just realized something.

Y'all know how Shared Content is kinda known for its Shared Thirst? Imagine what we'll see now with shirtless Sephiroth.

The world is not ready.

Me considering logging back into twitter for snapshot browsing: sweats nervously

 

[Lamperouge]

Touhou Luna Knights, Hollow Knight Silksong, Gestalt: Steam and Cinder.

Please and thank you.

And Gunvolt 3 pls.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Touhou Luna Knights, Hollow Knight Silksong, Gestalt: Steam and Cinder.

Please and thank you.

And Gunvolt 3 pls.

Deltarune chapter 2 tho...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Answer me this, what if we....just wait it out rather then just bluntly hyping ourselves up? Seph's moveset isn't even shown fully yet. What about the miis?

The most likely Miis I see happening are Tifa, Barret, Aerith, Chocobo and Geno. Other than that, maybe 2B or something.


Also Sephy's presentation's 35 minutes long, which is as long as Min Min's so don't expect any extra content like a Safer Sephiroth boss or some ****

 

[7NATOR]

Regarding Voice Theory and the CSS

It's possible that unlike the Past Smash games, they want their menus to look more Clean and Organized than last time. It's also possible that they might be willing to Re-Organize a Menu to match better as a Good Looking Menu

They Believe (I'm not sure) they re-organize the Fighter Menu much more heavily than they did in the Past to make it look better as a menu. It's possible they might have been willing to do this with the Voice menu. However since Coincidentally, all the Fighters in FP2 also make a Perfect CSS, they just left it as is

That's just Spitballing though

As for another Theory, There was Franchise Theory which is also based of the CSS, and it Implied that 2 of the Next 4 Characters (After Steve) would be from Represented Franchises. Sephiroth is from FF7 and fits this theory, so This means at least one more character will be from Represented Franchises

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Bottom text.

This but in dubenese

 

[7NATOR]

So I Got to ask, Will we Get FP10 and FP11 at Nintendo's E3 Presentation (or well their June Presentation if E3 is Dead), or will we get one or the other

FP9 I think at this point is Far into Development, with FP10 having progress and maybe FP11 just starting. With this in Mind I could see Both FP10 and FP11 Revealed at E3, with FP10 coming around the Same time period

 

[Guynamednelson]

People said this with Steve

Admittedly that was jumping the gun. Each phase of Ultimate's development seems to drop what the fandom considers two "hype bombs" (E3 2018 and August 8, Joker and Hero/Banjo dual reveal), then it goes "downhill". And now we've gotten our second "hype bomb".

 

[Deleted member]

So I Got to ask, Will we Get FP10 and FP11 at Nintendo's E3 Presentation (or well their June Presentation if E3 is Dead), or will we get one or the other

FP9 I think at this point is Far into Development, with FP10 having progress and maybe FP11 just starting. With this in Mind I could see Both FP10 and FP11 Revealed at E3, with FP10 coming around the Same time period

FP9: March
FP10: Whatever the equivalent of E3 is
FP11: September

That’s where I’m at rn

 

[Mapusaurus]

I don't think Sephiroth of all characters makes Nintendo reps more likely, lol.

Speaking as someone who's done this before, we gotta stop knee-jerk reacting to reveals and thinking that "[INSERT CHARACTER] is in for sure now!" A new reveal does shake things up, yes, but does Sephiroth automatically mean certain choices are "locks"? Personally, I'd say no: He's put a few pieces back on the board, but one instance of something happening is not a pattern, we cannot conclusively use it as evidence for something being a precedent IMHO.

As for the "Nintendo drops all the big characters first" mentality, while that is typically true, that doesn't mean they purposefully choose characters that they think are "boring" or "not hype": That's a community made mindset and it's completely subjective as well.

I'm with Scoliosis Jones on this one: It doesn't matter who the final character is because it'll be viewed as a disappointment anyway. Fandoms who viewed it as their "last shot" will feel burned regardless of who it is because it wasn't their character.

TL;DR: I don't think Sephiroth means every character from here on will be "downhill". People said this with Steve, and then the One Winged Angel showed up.

Chief will not be a disappointment if he is the last rep, that is the only character.

 

[Dinoman96]

Chief will not be a disappointment if he is the last rep, that is the only character.

Probably would be disappointing/confusing for the Japanese fanbase, lol