Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Oracle Link]

I watched a full LP. I own the original, but I'm not going to buy a PS4 just for that game alone. It being in multiple releases already is enough that I can't afford all that. I'm aware of that stuff. I'm also aware it's the same beginning. A big part of what drew me into FFVIII was it having a very well made tutorial that doesn't feel like it shoehorns the "learning" part in too much. Though that said, I haven't beaten the game yet(I got stuck on one fight due to a foolish save. It happens).

I'll watch a LP of the remake, though. I'm really glad it got one, even if it's one of my least favorite FF games, heh.

im not talking about the remake its a completly diffrent game
i was talking about the original game in hd with help functions its pretty cheap
but you watched a lp so youre well educated peace

 

[Lyncario]

We're talking about the Crash-Reimu-KOS-MOS leak, alright then. The fact that it had Sephiroth makes so that it cannot just be ignored in my opinion, and that it cannot be lucky guessing because of how pretty much everyone though that he was impossible.

There's some distinct possibilities about it. One of them is that it was the wish-list of the poster, and that he put it as a leak for the lolz, but then Sephiroth actualy got revealed. The other is that the poster actualy has all the inside info and that it's legit. Another is that the poster only had info abot Sephiroth and guessed the rest of the pass based on his point of view, bias, maybe less clear information about them (like for example, if he knew that there would be an indie, an activision character, and a Bamco character in the pass after Sephi, and so predicted Reimu, Crash, and KOS-MOS). No matter which it is, we basicaly can't brush it because it got what was often perceived as the least likely character it said was going to be in right.

And if it's true, then I would be extremly pleased. Reimu is my most wanted, Crash would be very cool while also being the most wanted of one of my friend, and KOS-MOS would also be a cool character to have, I wouldn't complain at all, especialy since Sephiroth is already my personnal favorite addition to the roster in Ultimate, and overall probably my 5th or 6th favorite addition to Smash of all time as of now.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Shadow would have been dope. I can see them using sonic as base, and then using assets from mewtwo for animations. Mewtwo down smash is just one of shadows moves from sonic battle. Shadow feels like a missed opportunity but it's just wishful thinking.

Well, Melee came way before Sonic Battle, so... looks like one game had a similar idea.

Nonetheless, excellent animation to retool. It also helps that Mewtwo's usage of the various elements are honestly similar to how Shadow likes to do battle.

im not talking about the remake its a completly diffrent game
i was talking about the original game in hd with help functions its pretty cheap
but you watched a lp so youre well educated peace

You mean the Switch re-release? Nah, I don't need that. I planned to replay it on my PS3 at some point anyway. I have perfectly fine discs. I just need had no incentive to go back.

The story's great. I just wish the overworld graphics were better. I get it, though. One of the first few games on the PSX, so... new system, a lot to do. Thankfully they got it down fast with FFVIII as well. The battle graphics were much more reasonable, so at least it didn't take them long either~

 

[Oracle Link]

I played on iOS up until a point in the first few hours in the game at Shinra Building. I never left Midgar.

But I do have the FF7R demo on my base PS4.

yeah i quitted a lp at that point the beginning really isnt great it gets better when you leave midgar which happens after the shinra building
also the FF7R is a completly diffrent game and stop right at the end of midgar also you get spoiled hard im talking about last scene hard

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I wonder, how about Phoenix Wright? Hes a big character, no spirits or other content despite his fame. We have yet to get a Capcom Rep in either fighters pass. And Capcom seems to have plans for the Ace Attorney series, with all the leaks with remasters, localizations, and even AA7. Is it far out to hope for him?

 

[JustASora/CrashSupporter]

So how would you guys feel if the 5Chan leak turned out to be real? What would your overall thoughts be of Season Pass 2?

Crash in there, so that automatically makes me happy (duh). Don't care that much about Reimu and KOS-MOS, but I guess they would be pretty cool.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I do understand that people do throw around the idea due to How Sega might mandate Characters (Sonic's Alts only being Shades of Blue, How they intially turned him down in Brawl). There's also the sentiment that people thought we would have gotten Shadow as echo if there wasn't something Terrible that happened in Negotation process (or another Character like Tails or Knuckles)

I've never heard about this. Do explain.

Neither Tails, Knuckles, or Shadow work as Echoes when considering Smash. for Shadow in Particular, Shadow has been a Mirror of Sonic Gameplay wise in good amount of the Sonic Games. with that being said, if you Translate that to Smash, the only thing Majorly Shared is the Spin Dash and Homing Attack. Shadow's Whole Animation and Demeanor is Completely Different from Sonic even in Games where they play the Same. This also isn't taking into account the Boss fight, Cutscenes, Lore and the games where Shadow's Moveset is More unique. With Sega having to say yes to Everything regarding Shadow's Hypothetical moveset, There's no way Shadow would have gotten away with being an Echo

I think Sonic could use any of them as an echo, personally. They were all introduced with that in mind, and it (to me) would be odd to have Sonic, who represents only his original games, differ much from another character meant to rival him (which Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow all were)

Anniversaries I do think might be overlooked in terms of importance. People go "Anniversaries mean nothing". I think that dubious. A Character or Franchise having an Anniversary does not guarantee a character being in yes, but It does add to their merits, because Companies like to go all out for Anniversaries and such. Sega is a Very good example since they always release Sonic games on Anniversaries (Even to a Fault). Nintendo would likely know it's coming up and will know that Sonic will be very Relevant going into 2021

Sephiroth's Presentation is on the Anniversary of the Franchise (in Japan), I Believe Minecon is held around the Anniversary of Minecraft (I Don't know about this one), and Min-Min was fully revealed in the Same month as the Anniversary

I don't think it means nothing- but given how many games are released in multiple regions over several decades- a given franchise has dozens of anniversaries in a year. I mean, Mushroomguy12 (I think it was you) posted about 50 in the week before black Friday.[/QUOTE]

 

[Evil Trapezium]

So how would you guys feel if the 5Chan leak turned out to be real? What would your overall thoughts be of Season Pass 2?

I'd be pretty underwhelmed. Crash Bandicoot would be cool but I'm not a fan of Reimu or KOS-MOS.

Overall the Pass for me would be worse than the first one.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Hmmm, fair point there. There's the fact too Xeno has somewhat of ties to Xenoblade being both developed by Monolith, so maybe since Sakurai couldn't get Rex in as he wanted he went with her instead. Just a thought.

Still leaning towards fake though to keep expectations low. Crash would be awesome not to mention too two other females which would make a certain someone happy.

That doesn't make sense, why wouldn't they be able to get Rex, a first party character?

 

[PeridotGX]

It’s the empty one

they used a fan sprite for the masked man i doubt they looked into it that hard

 

[BernkastelWitch]

Honestly even if I have my doubts on the 5chan leak being real, if that is the whole Season 2 pass, I'd content with it.

Reimu is a most wanted for me, simply due to how much Touhou means to me and the fact I found someone important to me through it. And on a less personal reason, despite people putting it down it's still a huge, Japanese Juggernaut and IMO would be a nice foil to Steve if you still count Minecraft as Indie now. Touhou is one of the oldest Indie franchises around and inspired many people to work on games, whether it's on actual Touhou fangames or like in Toby Fox's cases, actual games with Touhou as one of many inspirations.

Crash would make a whole lot of sense, especially to people raised in the 90's. He is missing from the 5th generation wars and many people would clamor to see him fight Mario and Sonic. Love his games or hate his games, he is an icon from one of the most important eras of gaming in many ways and his recent revival shows there's still people who want the Bandicoot to stay around. He'd be a big highlighted icon that would fill in a slot for even casual gamers to know.

KOS-MOS may seem like a weird pick at first but she's basically Namco's equivalent to Capcom's Morrigan: A character whose games may not have been played by many people but have a strong cult fanbase that is big enough for her to appear outside of her media. She would qualify as a Xeno rep and would represent a lot of Monoliths History here, especially since Monolith has become an important partner to Nintendo.


I doubt it is legit but on the really weird offchance that it is real, I wouldn't mind it at all. It gives a nice balance of casual and hardcore choices and show different parts of gaming history.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That doesn't make sense, why wouldn't they be able to get Rex, a first party character?

I agree. The Mii Costume might disconfirm him, but only by precedent/logic. It's not an actual roadblock, just an indicator that Nintendo has made their final decision on him already.

I wonder, how about Phoenix Wright? Hes a big character, no spirits or other content despite his fame. We have yet to get a Capcom Rep in either fighters pass. And Capcom seems to have plans for the Ace Attorney series, with all the leaks with remasters, localizations, and even AA7. Is it far out to hope for him?

No. In fact, I think he might even be more likely than Dante.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Neither Tails, Knuckles, or Shadow work as Echoes when considering Smash. for Shadow in Particular, Shadow has been a Mirror of Sonic Gameplay wise in good amount of the Sonic Games. with that being said, if you Translate that to Smash, the only thing Majorly Shared is the Spin Dash and Homing Attack. Shadow's Whole Animation and Demeanor is Completely Different from Sonic even in Games where they play the Same. This also isn't taking into account the Boss fight, Cutscenes, Lore and the games where Shadow's Moveset is More unique. With Sega having to say yes to Everything regarding Shadow's Hypothetical moveset, There's no way Shadow would have gotten away with being an Echo

Wasn't Daisy made an echo instead of an alt just because her demeanour and personality would be animated in an entirely different way to Peach?

Like, Chrom and Ken are showcases that echoes are allowed to be more than just 1-1 (pardon the term here, it's unfortunate but) shadow clones of the original fighter.

I'm not sure I follow why Shadow wouldn't have been able to pull that off since he'd still use Sonic as a base but have different running and personality animations(same as Daisy has different animations from Peach) and a few different more fitting moves (same as Ken and Chrom) alongside the classic spin dash, homing attack and Super Shadow Final Smash?

 

[Guynamednelson]

final decision on him.

Final decision FOR FP1. You seriously aren't prepared for when a character inevitably isn't Dante/Crash/Gen 8 even after Spehi-goddamn-Roth, are you?

 

[PK Duststorm]

Shadow from sonic battle would be super hype. I was always a huge fan of PM incorporating battle moves for Sonic. Feels like one of the easier mods one could make. Plenty of dark and electric aesthetics to pull from just from mewtwo and ganondorf alone. Shadow teleporting makes sense.


Ace attorney having absolutely no representation in Smash saddens me. I'd be over the moon for a Phoenix mii with music, let alone an entire challenger pack. Ace attorney is a series I only got into during the summer of 2019, but it was a name I was familiar with growing up. It's always had nintendo legacy appeal, even to the most ignorant and unaware like myself. Please give me some music or something, capcom. Wright and Agumon are my only dream picks but I'm okay if they dont make it in.

One great thing about smash is that it lifts up every video game. Even if you dont make it in, the support from fans is magical.


Also can we forget Rex already? He is a mii fighter that costs 24.99 USD. He is done.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Final decision FOR FP1. You seriously aren't prepared for when a character inevitably isn't Dante/Crash/Gen 8 even after Spehi-goddamn-Roth, are you?

I'm gonna ignore your typical lies about people only ever talking about specific characters because everyone here knows you're lying but lmao at trying to pretend Sephiroth means nothing big can happen anymore just like when said the same **** with Steve

 

[Oracle Link]

they used a fan sprite for the masked man i doubt they looked into it that hard

to be fair the sprite you see is his official battle sprite the fansprite is invisble

 

[Ivander]

So how would you guys feel if the 5Chan leak turned out to be real? What would your overall thoughts be of Season Pass 2?

I'd be pretty good with it.

Will it be real? Have to wait and see.

 

[Lamperouge]

So how would you guys feel if the 5Chan leak turned out to be real? What would your overall thoughts be of Season Pass 2?

KOS-MOS would make me pretty happy.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So how would you guys feel if the 5Chan leak turned out to be real? What would your overall thoughts be of Season Pass 2?

Content, tbh. Three of the four characters are total surprises and the fourth is a fan favorite.

Hopefully also it makes enough money to potentially have Sakurai consider pass 3, with 4 more characters as there’s four more WoL slots after this pass finishes.

Also I’ve been thinking, if the League rumor is true, would that mean Ahri/a LoL rep would be relegated to pass 3? I was thinking about the timing, both Steve and Sephiroth were planned waaaay in advance, probably Min Min too (I have reason to also believe Min Min was the subject of the Milk Bosatu leak in 2019). Plus characters are worked on in threes... just a thought. And I have a feeling the Hollow Knight costume from the rumor would come with Reimu, what with being a fellow indie and all

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You seriously aren't prepared for when a character inevitably isn't Dante/Crash/Gen 8 even after Spehi-goddamn-Roth, are you?

I'm not even prepared for a character that is Dante/Crash/Generation 8 Pokémon. lol

 

[7NATOR]

pupNapoleon

-I've seen it before. Pretty much because alot of People were Expecting Shadow as an echo and were very Surprised he was an Assist when it seemed like he had everything going for him as an echo, there was a Reasoning made that Sega doesn't want another Character overshadowing Sonic as a Playable character, and that's why we didn't get another one

There's no Definitive Source for it, when it comes to that idea and Smash

-I do Think Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow will take Some things from Sonic, but I think at the Most they be Semi-clones, not Compete Echoes. In terms of Smash, all 3 characters would have their unique moves and Abilities and that requires different balancing toward the rest of the Cast, instead of just against the Parent Fighter, which is main Reasons Echoes are Echoes, that they can be jusy Balanced against the Rest of the Cast

-You're right on that one. I guess the whole point is that Nintendo will know Sonic will be very Relevant when the FP2 is going through it's Lifecycle, and that is a Plus when considering another Sonic character being in the Pass

Shadow would have been dope. I can see them using sonic as base, and then using assets from mewtwo for animations. Mewtwo down smash is just one of shadows moves from sonic battle. Shadow feels like a missed opportunity but it's just wishful thinking.

You don't have to Talk like Shadow is Dead in terms of Likelihood

Shadow has always been Overshadowed in terms of Smash Speculation.

-Smash 4, While very Popular with the Casuals on Miiverse and Twitter and youtube, Tails and Knuckles Dominated discussion on More Hardcore sites like here and such, Especilly after Shadow got Confirmed as an Assist Again during an E3 Demo.

-Same deal with The Ballot and DLC around here since Shadow was an Assist

-Shadow blew up during Ultimate Speculation, but it was as Speculation of Being an Echo, where he would be in Sonic's Shadow Moveset wise, there by being Overshadowed by Sonic in terms of Moveset

-Going into Post-Assist Confirmation, Shadow, and Another Sonic Character in general has been Overshadowed even when just talking about Another Sega Character Joining, up until Sephiroth got Confirmed Days ago

-Even with this though, Shadow (& Knuckles) will be Overshadowed by Eggman and Tails in terms of Another Sonic Character being in the Pass, because Shadow is an Assist, and is also Seen alot of the time as Only Echo Material

-With the Idea of an Assist Promotion being possible or happening in this pass, Shadow is Overshadowed by Waluigi, and Also Isaac for the Idea.


With that being Said, That doesn't mean Shadow is Impossible or Dead, Shadow I don't think will ever be seen as Likely option in Speculation (as an unique Character) until he actually gets into the Roster. Now A lot of the characters, including the Recently revealed Sephiroth was Not seen as likely option or Alive until they got into the game as well. I will just say don't let the Common Smahs Speculation dictate all your views. This doesn't mean Shadow will actually get in, but you don't have to count him out either

 

[pupNapoleon]

I wonder, how about Phoenix Wright? Hes a big character, no spirits or other content despite his fame. We have yet to get a Capcom Rep in either fighters pass. And Capcom seems to have plans for the Ace Attorney series, with all the leaks with remasters, localizations, and even AA7. Is it far out to hope for him?

Did that 5 game collection ever come to fruitiion? I think I'd give up on the game if they did that right after I bought the three part collection

 

[SNEKeater]

I wonder, how about Phoenix Wright? Hes a big character, no spirits or other content despite his fame. We have yet to get a Capcom Rep in either fighters pass. And Capcom seems to have plans for the Ace Attorney series, with all the leaks with remasters, localizations, and even AA7. Is it far out to hope for him?

I think he has a chance, for sure. It's just that now most Capcom talk is about Monster Hunter and Dante, but that always changes with the time. Phoenix had more presence in speculation at the end of 2019, I remember.

In any case, at this point the only thing I'm asking for is for another Capcom character for the remaining 3 characters. I'd be sad if we don't get another Capcom representative.

To an extent, it would be surprising to me if we don't get another one. 2 entire Fighter Passes without a Capcom character, with how collaborative they are, how popular some of their characters are, and with their rich library of characters and IPs, would be disappointing for me.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I realised something. Whenever we think a character is dead in the water is when they become the most likely character to appear. It happened with ARMS, it happened when people stopped believing Steve was a frontrunner and it happened with Sephiroth.

Doom Guy is coming.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I realised something. Whenever we think a character is dead in the water is when they become the most likely character to appear. It happened with ARMS, it happened when people stopped believing Steve was a frontrunner and it happened with Sephiroth.

Doom Guy is coming.

We can tell this is 100% serious as you didn't add a Timesplitters joke

 

[pupNapoleon]

Somehow... Sephiroth makes me think, this absolutely, is not the last pass.
I'd go far as to say five total.

BOLD.

 

[Mapusaurus]

Ok look hear me out, both square characters were revealed in the possible endings of world of light, hero was revealed as a rebel in the spirit overrun world of darkon and sephiroth was shown to defeat galeem. What does that leave? The true ending. Where everything is at peace, a new character would have to fit this and since these are square characters it could be none other than geno achieving his rightful place that is why I think he will be pack 11.

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

Also can we forget Rex already? He is a mii fighter that costs 24.99 USD. He is done.

Yes, I’m sure the people that, disregarding the characters, bought FP1 exclusively for a Rex Mii costume would be devastated if Rex got in.

 

[Momotsuki]

Among fighters that actually feel like they might have a chance, Reimu is my single most wanted. With that in mind, I think I've gotta recuse myself from 5chan leak discussion from here on out. You can't expect me to keep rational about it, even if I tried to, haha.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Somehow... Sephiroth makes me think, this absolutely, is not the last pass.
I'd go far as to say five total.

BOLD.

Five total characters after this pass or...?

 

[Perkilator]

Just a thought; how would you guys feel if the DLC was this?
Vol. 1

• Joker
• Hero
• Banjo-Kazooie
• Sakura Shinguji
• Terry Bogard

Vol. 2

• Edelgard von Hresvelg
• Crash Bandicoot
• Sephiroth
• Steve
• Min-Min
• Excitebiker

Vol. 3

• Sora
• Scorbunny
• Euden
• Dr. Eggman

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Ok look hear me out, both square characters were revealed in the possible endings of world of light, hero was revealed as a rebel in the spirit overrun world of darkon and sephiroth was shown to defeat galeem. What does that leave? The true ending. Where everything is at peace, a new character would have to fit this and since these are square characters it could be none other than geno achieving his rightful place that is why I think he will be pack 11.

The true ending would be a JRPG character, Galeem and Dharkon fighting and destroying all. But then plot twist, Saurai pops in and says "Wow this is just like Shin Megami Tensei" before segueing into a Demifiend trailer where he beats the **** out of both of them

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Slight tangent but the more time goes by the more I think Ryu Hayabusa might be a red herring

I feel like he would have been revealed sooner, at LEAST before Steve and/or Sephiroth

plus iirc Verge did mention Koei Tecmo was in talks with Nintendo BUT didn’t explicitly say “playable character in smash”

Just a thought really

 

[pupNapoleon]

Honestly even if I have my doubts on the 5chan leak being real, if that is the whole Season 2 pass, I'd content with it.

Reimu is a most wanted for me, simply due to how much Touhou means to me and the fact I found someone important to me through it.

That's really cool, mate. It's why I love gaming. This is my favorite reason for someone wanting a character, even if it's a character I do not connect with.

Though if I understand it, Reimu is a bit like a magical girl. So I'd be pretty dope for the gameplay.

 

[Momotsuki]

Edelgard von Hresvelg

Y'know - Edelgard should've [REDACTED]ing been our Three Houses rep if we really needed to have one. Now that we've got Byleth though I am unbelievably soured on the idea... but... maybe it'd be cool anyway?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Shadow has always been Overshadowed in terms of Smash Speculation.

Heyo!


I think the issue with Shadow as an Echo Fighter is that while there's nothing that Sonic does that absolutely does not make sense on Shadow, he does have a bunch of things that Shadow doesn't actually do much like with...pretty much all of the Echo Fighters that aren't Ken really. And on top of that, he has a bunch of abilities that Sonic can't do.

Essentially, there's nothing stopping him from being an Echo Fighter, but he'd be Dark Samus levels of missed opportunity.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Shadow from sonic battle would be super hype. I was always a huge fan of PM incorporating battle moves for Sonic. Feels like one of the easier mods one could make. Plenty of dark and electric aesthetics to pull from just from mewtwo and ganondorf alone. Shadow teleporting makes sense.

I thought half of Sonic's moves were from Sonic fighters? Fighter? Fight it out? Sega Allstars Battle Royale?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Slight tangent but the more time goes by the more I think Ryu Hayabusa might be a red herring

I feel like he would have been revealed sooner, at LEAST before Steve and/or Sephiroth

plus iirc Verge did mention Koei Tecmo was in talks with Nintendo BUT didn’t explicitly say “playable character in smash”

Just a thought really

I am going to send Delzethin a complaint if this is a sign of people using the term red herring from now on as if red herrings aren't intentional in all forms of fiction that use them whereas this is just betting on the wrong horse if anything

Just a thought; how would you guys feel if the DLC was this?
Vol. 1

• Joker
• Hero
• Banjo-Kazooie
• Sakura Shinguji
• Terry Bogard

Vol. 2

• Edelgard von Hresvelg
• Crash Bandicoot
• Sephiroth
• Steve
• Min-Min
• Excitebiker

Vol. 3

• Sora
• Scorbunny
• Euden
• Dr. Eggman

I'd only accept Excitebiker if they beat the **** out of everyone like this

Pass 3 however had Sora and Euden, that's mid at best

 

[Momotsuki]

Dark Samus levels of missed opportunity.

I hear this a lot and what makes it strange is that before Dark Samus was revealed, it was really pushed as a good echo candidate. And in fairness, I feel like what we got with Dark Samus was its best case scenario.
Dark Samus is an it, not a she. Unlike Samus who is a she. I will not argue this.