Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Momotsuki]

Also by the Way, An Artist Technically Predicted Sephiroth in the game as well

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They won't be predicting anyone for much longer. They'll find themselves underwater with a strange pair of shoes tomorrow morning.

 

[MooMew64]

I'm pretty much in the camp that Geno's getting costumed next week. His proportions fit Mii Gunner very well, the moveset is believable for him, and there's the opportunity to make it like Sans and give him a mask that just basically turns Mii Gunner into outright Geno.

We also have precedent that all the old costumes have been slowly coming back, and Chocobo and Geno came in a pair last time.

Even if Geno somehow dodges the bullet next week...I still don't think odds look good. I will admit it's definitely a non-zero chance, but even if you want to argue Sephiroth doesn't impact him because he'd be a Mario character and not a Square Enix character, there's still the oddity of the Mario 35th festivities: Nintendo's thrown just about everything out there to celebrate Mario's 35th and we even have a tournament celebrating all of the Mario content currently in Smash...Wouldn't now have been the time to advertise more Mario content in Smash was on the way? I dunno, it just doesn't add up to me. This doesn't just impact Geno either: As a diehard Waluigi supporter, I think this puts him in an even worse position than he already was as an AT IMHO.

Time will tell in the end, but right now? If any Nintendo first parties are coming, my money is probably on Zelda and Pokemon at the moment.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Do you guys think that Geno's hat will be turned into a mask in the same vein as Sans, Cuphead, and Vault Boy? I personally don't think so. I do think it would be good for Geno support, as it's one step closer to the character actually being in Super Smash Bros. (at the step that people unironically say that they are in Super Smash Bros.), but I don't think Nintendo has any reason not to just reuse the hat from the previous game. Why make a new hat when the old one still works and is ready to use?

I personally think Geno will be a premium Mii. He fits the proportions of Mii Gunner to a T, plus a lot of his moves would make sense with the Gunner moveset. Also I think that people would be willing to shell out the 99 cents to have him in since he is a dark horse pick for a lot. Not to mention since he's Square, it'd make sense for him to be shown off at Sephiroth's Sakurai Presents next week. Though we'd just need to wait till then to find out for sure.

 

[PK Duststorm]

I thought half of Sonic's moves were from Sonic fighters? Fighter? Fight it out? Sega Allstars Battle Royale?

Idk about sonic fighters but I do know they took a majority from sonic battle. Fair and up tilt are the only ones I recall right now, but they were ripped straight out of it.


Also, shadow is dead. Much like rex, they arent coming as dlc and anyone thinking otherwise is setting themselves up for disappointment. Rex is a 25 dollar mii costume only, and shadow is only an assist.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'm not even going to present the argument of MH already being repped in Smash with Rathalos. I feel like Min Min has destroyed that theory since Springman was also an assist. Hard to tell though since MH also has music and a boss in addition to the AT. Who knows honestly but like I said I would be happy with any Capcom rep. MH, Dante, Phoenix, Viewtiful Joe, Ammy, Arthur, Power Stone rep etc. are all amazing to me, they just have so many amazing characters that sadly aren't repped in Smash.

me here for months thinking GnG was Konami

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

If Reimu gets in her Classic Boss with be Dracula. I will be answering absolutely zero questions.

Bold of you to assume it wouldn't be both Dracula AND Marx lol

 

[BernkastelWitch]

If we end up getting Reimu I think it's very possible it'd end up being an SNK-esque kitchen sink of songs.

Touhou is the one possible franchise I can see that would get that treatment given how many iconic songs the series has. That and I feel like restricting it to the first few Windows games wouldn't do Touhou justice if Reimu got in.

All I want are Hartmans Youkai Girl, Faith is for the Transient People, Lost Emotion, Pure Furies, and Eternal Spring Dream to make it in if Reimu got in and I'd be content and happy.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Did that 5 game collection ever come to fruitiion? I think I'd give up on the game if they did that right after I bought the three part collection

We don't know yet, it seems like they might reveal it somewhere around may.
It is worth noting that the two games are spin offs loosely connected to AA and you should be able to buy the duology separately, so its not like Capcom is pulling some funny business with your wallet.

I think he has a chance, for sure. It's just that now most Capcom talk is about Monster Hunter and Dante, but that always changes with the time. Phoenix had more presence in speculation at the end of 2019, I remember.

In any case, at this point the only thing I'm asking for is for another Capcom character for the remaining 3 characters. I'd be sad if we don't get another Capcom representative.

To an extent, it would be surprising to me if we don't get another one. 2 entire Fighter Passes without a Capcom character, with how collaborative they are, how popular some of their characters are, and with their rich library of characters and IPs, would be disappointing for me.

Thats true, the amount of competition all Capcom characters have is unfortunate, as they'd all be great additions. I'm not entirely sure about a Monster Hunter character though, since the monsters are by far in a way more popular y'know? But I don't know nearly enough about Monster Hunter to say for sure. Dante seems cool, I haven't gotten around to DMCA yet so I don't know much about him. I hope we get some more Capcom representation, to go 2 passes without a single one of they're icons would also disappoint me quite a lot.

 

[DMTN]

It's probably going to be the standard Geno costume from Smash 4. I don't even expect it to be a deluxe costume. Having the Forest Maze theme in the game would be amazing, but I see no reason to believe Geno will receive the deluxe treatment.

 

[Momotsuki]

Bold of you to assume it wouldn't be both Dracula AND Marx lol

Crap, I forgot! Classic Routes can have multiple boss fights - I don't know if any do in practice but I've toyed with the files, I've done it, there's nothing stopping it. That would be the best way to do it. Only problem is that Dracula is MUCH harder than Marx, at least IMO.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Bold of you to assume it wouldn't be both Dracula AND Marx lol

Marx will only appear if you clear Dracula on normal mode or higher with no continues.

 

[7NATOR]

Idk about sonic fighters but I do know they took a majority from sonic battle. Fair and up tilt are the only ones I recall right now, but they were ripped straight out of it.


Also, shadow is dead. Much like rex, they arent coming as dlc and anyone thinking otherwise is setting themselves up for disappointment. Rex is a 25 dollar mii costume only, and shadow is only an assist.

Actually, Barely any of Sonic's Moves are from Battle, and that's actually a Sticking point since Sonic has more Flashy Looking moves in Battle Compared to Fighters.

Alot of Sonic's Moves come from Sonic the Fighters, since Sonic himself in Smash is mostly based on the Classic Era Games in terms of Moveset

also, If you think Shadow is Dead, That's fine by me. While I don't think the Assist Rule is an Offical Rule and automatic Deconfirm, I do think there is Impact on the character chances since Nintendo and/or Sakurai might feel the Assist Role is good Enough role for characters for the time being, especially compared to other characters with no 3d Model Presense in the game.

If we do get him though, I would like to see your Surprise and Excitement though.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's probably going to be the standard Geno costume from Smash 4. I don't even expect it to be a deluxe costume. Having the Forest Maze theme in the game would be amazing, but I see no reason to believe Geno will receive the deluxe treatment.

I think he could come with a song (at the very least, his trailer would use music that isn't in the game), but I doubt they'd actually redesign his costume as you say.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Idk about sonic fighters but I do know they took a majority from sonic battle. Fair and up tilt are the only ones I recall right now, but they were ripped straight out of it.


Also, shadow is dead. Much like rex, they arent coming as dlc and anyone thinking otherwise is setting themselves up for disappointment. Rex is a 25 dollar mii costume only, and shadow is only an assist.

If they didn't take anything from Sonic Underground, and yet we have all this crap from Adventent Children/Calendar/Whaterver, then I've lost some respect.

 

[kirbsmash]

Gosh I remember people worrying that it's all first party...

 

[spicynun]

No... he is 'competing,' if that fan made rule is a thing, against every Capcom representative, including their biggest media series, Resident Evil.

Disregard the fan rules or don't, but let's at least be consistent.

I don't see how my points would've changed if I did use that terminology. My arguments for Phoenix weren't MH specific. I was just going with MH specifically based on how many here thought MH was most likely since Resident Evil had the spirit event. I will admit I was basing my points on some fan rules such as the fact that spirit events DO deconfirm which we haven't been proven that they do yet. Also I didn't bring up DMC even though it is also a frontrunner. I will also admit my points aren't exactly strong but like I said it is hard for me to be objective about Phoenix.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If they didn't take anything from Sonic Undergrround, and yet we have all this crap from Adventent Children/Calendar/Whaterver, then I've lost some respect.

To be fair, Cloud's combination sword does make a heck of a lot more sense at a glance than a guitar that shoots lasers.

Also, I love how Manic and Sonya are technically Sonic's long lost siblings from an alternate dimension on top of the names being directive of Sonic's.

 

[Goombaic]

Also by the Way, An Artist Technically Predicted Sephiroth in the game as well

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I think it's funnier that their predictions fit this dumb pattern.

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[DMTN]

I think he could come with a song (at the very least, his trailer would use music that isn't in the game), but I doubt they'd actually redesign his costume as you say.

I hope you're right. Poor Goemon didn't get the song in his mini-trailer, so I hope Geno has more luck.

 

[Mapusaurus]

Who is the general consensus for cp9?

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

Crap, I forgot! Classic Routes can have multiple boss fights - I don't know if any do in practice but I've toyed with the files, I've done it, there's nothing stopping it. That would be the best way to do it. Only problem is that Dracula is MUCH harder than Marx, at least IMO.

If memory serves right, there isn't a single classic route in Ultimate that has 2 big bosses (like Bowser + Ganon), but there certainly isn't anything going against it becoming a thing if Reimu comes in
In terms of music I'd expect like 70 tracks at least lmao
Also the stage would have many cameos (AND I WANT MY YOUMU MII SWORDFIGHTER COSTUME)

 

[pupNapoleon]

Who is the general consensus for cp9?

Legolas

 

[Momotsuki]

If memory serves right, there isn't a single classic route in Ultimate that has 2 big bosses (like Bowser + Ganon), but there certainly isn't anything going against it becoming a thing if Reimu comes in
In terms of music I'd expect like 70 tracks at least lmao
Also the stage would have many cameos (AND I WANT MY YOUMU MII SWORDFIGHTER COSTUME)

I want the website to have a screenshot involving Youmu Mii Swordfighter F-smashing Dedede while Yuyuko-palette Reimu stands behind her surrounded by food items.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Who is the general consensus for cp9?

im feelin Crash tbh

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Who is the general consensus for cp9?

I don't think there is one right now, Sephiroth threw everyone through such a loop that its basically just a long list of possible names and people saying "Could it be?!?!?!"

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

Legolas

“Mr. Tolkien said, “Everyone’s the protagonist!’”

 

[MooMew64]

Who is the general consensus for cp9?

I don't think there really is much of a general consensus for CP9 ATM because Sephiroth threw speculation for a major loop. Characters like Eggman, Chun-Li, and Monster Hunter are being given a lot of "Hmmm"s right now, but outside of that, I don't think there are too many standouts. Dante and Hayabusa are still in discussion a lot, I guess?

 

[PK Duststorm]

Actually, Barely any of Sonic's Moves are from Battle, and that's actually a Sticking point since Sonic has more Flashy Looking moves in Battle Compared to Fighters.

Alot of Sonic's Moves come from Sonic the Fighters, since Sonic himself in Smash is mostly based on the Classic Era Games in terms of Moveset

also, If you think Shadow is Dead, That's fine by me. While I don't think the Assist Rule is an Offical Rule and automatic Deconfirm, I do think there is Impact on the character chances since Nintendo and/or Sakurai might feel the Assist Role is good Enough role for characters for the time being, especially compared to other characters with no 3d Model Presense in the game.

If we do get him though, I would like to see your Surprise and Excitement though.

I would gladly eat my words at a shadow reveal. More than gladly come to you for your celebratory dance too bc youd earn it. Also I dont think sonic takes anything directly from Fighters. But I do know in PM they gave sonic 2 moves right from battle. To my knowledge there arent any moves from fighters that have a striking pose like battle.

 

[Lyncario]

Crap, I forgot! Classic Routes can have multiple boss fights - I don't know if any do in practice but I've toyed with the files, I've done it, there's nothing stopping it. That would be the best way to do it. Only problem is that Dracula is MUCH harder than Marx, at least IMO.

Marx's dificulty can be easily solved by making Reimu fight 4 Marxes all at once.

 

[Momotsuki]

Sephiroth didn't throw us for a loop he just further set in what we've been told so many times and should've understood by now; there are no "frontrunners", your prediction list is wrong, and there is no getting off of Mr. Sakurai's Wild Ride.

 

[Mapusaurus]

I think they will save geno for cp11 so idk for 9 but im feeling the goose

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Legolas

No! Bad Napoleon! Video game characters only!

Obviously, it would be Lego Legolas.

 

[Momotsuki]

Marx's dificulty can be easily solved by making Reimu fight 4 Marxes all at once.

I'm gonna do a quick test to see if the game engine actually supports multi-bosses like that (Master Hand and Crazy Hand, Galeem and Dharkon, they're pre-set single bosses, not just loading both of their single counterparts at once). Would anyone like to see the fruits of such an endeavour?

 

[I.D.]

I think it's funnier that their predictions fit this dumb pattern.

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Joker and Steve ummm... they... they are male and main characters... and can carry items with them in their games... yeah, that should work

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I think they will save geno for cp11 so idk for 9 but im feeling the goose

Out of all the indie reps, I don't think they'd go for the Goose from Untitled Goose Game.

 

[Momotsuki]

Out of all the indie reps, I don't think they'd go for the Goose from Untitled Goose Game.

Of course not. They'll be going for our favorite dreamer, the darling of RPG Maker goodness~

 

[I.D.]

Who is the general consensus for cp9?

Yuri Hyuga from Shadow Hearts

 

[Mapusaurus]

goose is quite popular and has a pirahna plant vibe

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Sephiroth didn't throw us for a loop he just further set in what we've been told so many times and should've understood by now; there are no "frontrunners", your prediction list is wrong, and there is no getting off of Mr. Sakurai's Wild Ride.

Yeah, if anything the speculators were wrong almost all the time. The only accurate picks I've seen thus far for Ultimate's DLC cycle was Banjo, Erdrick, and Steve iirc

 

[7NATOR]

I would gladly eat my words at a shadow reveal. More than gladly come to you for your celebratory dance too bc youd earn it. Also I dont think sonic takes anything directly from Fighters. But I do know in PM they gave sonic 2 moves right from battle. To my knowledge there arent any moves from fighters that have a striking pose like battle.

-Sonic's Forward smash is from Fighters (even with the Same Charging Animation)
-There's also his Jab Combo too, and that's also related to Virtua fighter, because Fighters had the same Punch Punch Kick Combo from those games
-Side Tilt
-Down Tilt (though it's not exact)
-Up Tilt (also not Exact)
-Down Throw
-Forward Aerial

I Also believe Sonic's Old Down Smash from Brawl, and His Old Dash attack from Brawl and Smash 4 were from Fighters

In Contrast, the only move that looks like that could come from Battle is his Down Air. His Down Air is more Similar to Shadow's Though since the Move sonic did never dived toward the Ground

That's why, With the Exception of Homing Attack and his Design elements, Sonic in Smash is based of the Classic Version in Terms of Moveset and Animations.

Shadow would actually Contrast Sonic while still being Very Unique by being more based of the Modern Games, So Moves like Boost, Black tornado, Light Speed dash that Sonic doesn't do in Smash could be Represented with Shadow, and Shadow could take moveset elements from Battle to Contrast Sonic taking from Fighters. This would also be in addition to the Mechanics that Chaos Powers could provide with Space and Time Manipulation