Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[True Blue Warrior]

If there is going to be a Capcom character in this pass, I think it should be Chun-Li. I mean, she is the First Lady of Fighting Games, easily Capcom’s biggest character not playable and Smash is the only crossover series Ryu has gotten in without her also being playable. Since people consider Smash to be a celebration of gaming, why not bring in the Capcom character with the biggest cultural impact and icon status left and have her mix it up with Nintendo icons like Mario, Link and Samus? Casuals and hardcore gamers would have their mind blown.

 

[Eldrake]

Remember when everyone thought Gardevoir was in the game with a Gothitelle echo because they were in a leak that got Richter got right?

It's even worse when you consider that that same leak also said "No Simon" but people still stubbornly believed in it. Such people will believe any random text post if it says their most wanted characters is in.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

If there is going to be a Capcom character in this pass, I think it should be Chun-Li. I mean, she is the First Lady of Fighting Games, easily Capcom’s biggest character not playable and Smash is the only crossover series Ryu has gotten in without her also being playable. Since people consider Smash to be a celebration of gaming, why not bring in the Capcom character with the biggest cultural impact and icon status left and have her mix it up with Nintendo icons like Mario, Link and Samus? Casuals and hardcore gamers would have their mind blown.

Not to mention, a lot of people before were thinking that Nintendo would definitely prioritize other Capcom franchises over another Street Fighter character, but now we literally just got a second FF7 character over the countless other new Square Enix franchises we could have gotten (even over characters from other Final Fantasy games).

I'd say her chances have gotten pretty respectable now.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Not to mention, a lot of people before were thinking that Nintendo would definitely prioritize other Capcom franchises over another Street Fighter character, but now we literally just got a second FF7 character over the countless other new Square Enix franchises we could have gotten (even over characters from other Final Fantasy games).

I'd say her chances have gotten pretty respectable now.

Half of Chun-Li’s alts should be based off her Alpha costume.

 

[Faso115]

If Crash is next, that makes me believe that the 5Chan leak would be one undoubtably...fake.

Why? Thats an easy guess givem how his name gets thrown around

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

If there is going to be a Capcom character in this pass, I think it should be Chun-Li. I mean, she is the First Lady of Fighting Games, easily Capcom’s biggest character not playable and Smash is the only crossover series Ryu has gotten in without her also being playable. Since people consider Smash to be a celebration of gaming, why not bring in the Capcom character with the biggest cultural impact and icon status left and have her mix it up with Nintendo icons like Mario, Link and Samus? Casuals and hardcore gamers would have their mind blown.

Do we really need another Street Fighter character though? I love Ryu and Ken and I feel like they represent Street Fighter perfectly in the context of Smash. With all these other Capcom series, DMCA, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Ace Attorney, even Darkstalkers. To toss all that in favor of a third Street Fighter character would be a little disappointing.

 

[Faso115]

Do we really need another Street Fighter character though? I love Ryu and Ken and I feel like they represent Street Fighter perfectly in the context of Smash. With all these other Capcom series, DMCA, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Ace Attorney, even Darkstalkers. To toss all that in favor of a third Street Fighter character would be a little disappointing.

Congratulation, now you know how other Final Fantasy and Square Enix fans feel

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Do we really need another Street Fighter character though? I love Ryu and Ken and I feel like they represent Street Fighter perfectly in the context of Smash. With all these other Capcom series, DMCA, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Ace Attorney, even Darkstalkers. To toss all that in favor of a third Street Fighter character would be a little disappointing.

Well, like I just said, we literally just got another FF7 character over Tomb Raider, Chrono Trigger, Kingdom Hearts, Nier Automata, The World Ends with You, Secret of Mana, or even other Final Fantasy games, etc., and plenty of people were still hyped for Sephiroth, because even if he didn't add a "new universe" to Smash, the character himself was a big deal in the gaming sphere. Same goes for Chun-Li. Like Sephiroth, she's one of the few characters that's more than big enough to be a big deal by herself without adding a new universe to Smash.

Smash is literally the only major crossover to feature Ryu as playable but not Chun-Li, let alone Ken. She's pretty much always the #2 for Street Fighter representation. Maybe you feel that those two are enough, but for a lot of people SF representation feels incomplete without her.

 

[PeridotGX]

Here's my updated FP Vol.2 prediction. I've lost it.

Frisk - I'm going all in on my "They're adding Frisk because the Sans costume way outperformed expectations" theory.

Fan Favorite - The Banjo of the pass. Assuming Geno is off the table, it'll either be Issac or Waluigi.

Pokemon - Not necessarily a Gen 8 Pokemon. Mimikyu's on there because he won the popularity poll (excluding Greninja and Lucario), and there are other possible non-Gen 8 options.

 

[dezeray112]

If there is going to be a Capcom character in this pass, I think it should be Chun-Li. I mean, she is the First Lady of Fighting Games, easily Capcom’s biggest character not playable and Smash is the only crossover series Ryu has gotten in without her also being playable. Since people consider Smash to be a celebration of gaming, why not bring in the Capcom character with the biggest cultural impact and icon status left and have her mix it up with Nintendo icons like Mario, Link and Samus? Casuals and hardcore gamers would have their mind blown.

Sephiroth did pretty much open the door for a secondary rep from the same series and if they were to pick another Street Fighter character, then it would be Chun-Li since she is one of the most iconic female characters within the fighting game genre.

 

[Deleted member]

If Crash is next, that makes me believe that the 5Chan leak would be one undoubtably...fake.

Why? Thats an easy guess givem how his name gets thrown around

So if the leak gets something right that’s evidence it’s... fake? I think it’s fake but this is a smoothbrained take if I’ve ever seen one.

 

[7NATOR]

On the Topic of Touhou and Reimu

I would like to add that Shoot Em Ups, the Genre Touhou is based of, is the Genre that got Sakurai into Game Development

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

So Sephiroth has a long sword, but we can go farther.

 

[zeldasmash]

This is my Vol.2 pass. The transparent ones are the ones that I feel are wild cards that can break everything.

 

[pupNapoleon]

No! Bad Napoleon! Video game characters only!

Obviously, it would be Lego Legolas.
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But we already have three of them-

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Alright, I think it's time to share our updated Fighter Pass 2 wishlists.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Well, like I just said, we literally just got another FF7 character over Tomb Raider, Kingdom Hearts, Nier Automata, The World Ends with You, or even other Final Fantasy games, etc., and plenty of people were still hyped for Sephiroth, because even if he didn't add a "new universe" to Smash, the character himself was a big deal in the gaming sphere. Same goes for Chun-Li. Like Sephiroth, she's one of the few characters that's more than big enough to be a big deal by herself without adding a new universe to Smash.

Smash is literally the only major crossover to feature Ryu as playable but not Chun-Li, let alone Ken. Maybe you feel that those two are enough, but for a lot of people SF representation feels incomplete without her.

Congratulation, now you know how other Final Fantasy and Square Enix fans feel

I feel as if thats a little different.
FF7 had two songs, no spirits, and its stage without hazards was basically reskinned battlefield.
Sephiroth was also in Kingdom Hearts so he is in a way somewhat representing that.
When Sephiroth got in it felt like FF7 got the representation it deserved.
Contrast this with SF, which has a fine stage, plenty of music, and two fighters (Ken is an echo, but he has plenty of unique moves and attributes)
While I like SF a lot, I pocket Ryu, to pass over all these franchises that could use representation in favor of adding more to a franchise already represented doesn't feel right to me.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I want the website to have a screenshot involving Youmu Mii Swordfighter F-smashing Dedede while Yuyuko-palette Reimu stands behind her surrounded by food items.

Was this english?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I feel as if thats a little different.
FF7 had two songs, no spirits, and its stage without hazards was basically reskinned battlefield.
Sephiroth was also in Kingdom Hearts so he is in a way somewhat representing that.
When Sephiroth got in it felt like FF7 got the representation it deserved.
Contrast this with SF, which has a fine stage, plenty of music, and two fighters (Ken is an echo, but he has plenty of unique moves and attributes)
While I like SF a lot, I pocket Ryu, to pass over all these franchises that could use representation in favor of adding more to a franchise already represented doesn't feel right to me.

All of the music is from SF2 and it's variations. There's literally no music representation of any of the games after SF2. Street Fighter also has a big enough cast so that there are more than enough remaining characters to make into Spirits.

If Sephiroth somehow represents KH to you, then Cloud should have already been enough because he was in Kingdom Hearts too.
And like I said, there were plenty of other amazing Square Enix franchises as well that could have used representation.

 

[pupNapoleon]

im feelin Crash tbh

I wish I felt Crash. I just think the Steve Reveal would have been different if Crash made it in.
Subjective, sure- but I wouldn't have seen them doing the same reveal for Steve if Crash made it in.

 

[GoodGrief741]

This is my Vol.2 pass. The transparent ones are the ones that I feel are wild cards that can break everything.
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I can't see a thing

 

[Brother AJ]

On the Topic of Touhou and Reimu

I would like to add that Shoot Em Ups, the Genre Touhou is based of, is the Genre that got Sakurai into Game Development

Interesting find! Just give me Crash please... I'll deal better with any other exclusions...

 

[pupNapoleon]

“Mr. Tolkien said, “Everyone’s the protagonist!’”

LMAO!
I mean, it definitely does change throughout the series.
Two Hobbits, Aragorn, and a spicy dragon who loves gold. That's just good writing, there.

 

[Mapusaurus]

I think garchomp is surprisingly likely especially if there are sinnoh remakes. he could have a dig down b and different moves when he is underground.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I think they will save geno for cp11 so idk for 9 but im feeling the goose

But he'd be such a weird preMiium after Sephiroth?

goose is quite popular and has a pirahna plant vibe

Ain't my fault that I'm out here gettin' loose
Gotta blame it on the Goose
Gotta blame it on my juice, baby

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I wonder how Chun-Li's command inputs would work in Super Smash Bros. When I looked them up, they seem to be incredibly inconsistent between games. My best guess would be that she'd be based off of her Street Fighter III: Third Strike iteration, but they might fuse them together a bit. Assuming the former, her special moves would probably be something like this:

• Neutral Special (): Kikoken-Hadouken, but balanced for Chun-Li.
• Side Special ((hold)): Spinning Bird Kick-An attack that's very similar to Ryu and Ken's Tatsumaki Senpukyaku, but I think it would be more important to her overall kit.
• Up Special (): Hazanshu-An attack that's very similar to the Mii Brawler's Soaring Axe Kick. The command input could make an interesting trade of height for distance.
• Down Special: Probably either Focus Attack again, or Hyakuretsu Kyaku-They could go with something like a V-Trigger, but the Focus Attack is more tried and true. I'm also 90% sure that Hyakuretsu Kyaku would be made a rapid jab instead, but it's worth mentioning.

EDIT: If they did go with only the half circle and charge motions from Street Fighter III: Third Strike, the command input gimmick would probably be at its best since misinputs would be much less of a thing.

 

[Lyncario]

Do you know that Safar/seraph sephiroth is based on an biblical angel called seraphim (gallem/Kyra is based on these angels aswell)

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sorry for posting this in this thread aswell i just love this fact

A very cool part about this is how fallen angels are often refered to as one-winged-angels in the bible.

 

[PK Duststorm]

-Sonic's Forward smash is from Fighters (even with the Same Charging Animation)
-There's also his Jab Combo too, and that's also related to Virtua fighter, because Fighters had the same Punch Punch Kick Combo from those games
-Side Tilt
-Down Tilt (though it's not exact)
-Up Tilt (also not Exact)
-Down Throw
-Forward Aerial

I Also believe Sonic's Old Down Smash from Brawl, and His Old Dash attack from Brawl and Smash 4 were from Fighters

In Contrast, the only move that looks like that could come from Battle is his Down Air. His Down Air is more Similar to Shadow's Though since the Move sonic did never dived toward the Ground

That's why, With the Exception of Homing Attack and his Design elements, Sonic in Smash is based of the Classic Version in Terms of Moveset and Animations.

Shadow would actually Contrast Sonic while still being Very Unique by being more based of the Modern Games, So Moves like Boost, Black tornado, Light Speed dash that Sonic doesn't do in Smash could be Represented with Shadow, and Shadow could take moveset elements from Battle to Contrast Sonic taking from Fighters. This would also be in addition to the Mechanics that Chaos Powers could provide with Space and Time Manipulation

Well now I'm just curious.

If there is going to be a Capcom character in this pass, I think it should be Chun-Li. I mean, she is the First Lady of Fighting Games, easily Capcom’s biggest character not playable and Smash is the only crossover series Ryu has gotten in without her also being playable. Since people consider Smash to be a celebration of gaming, why not bring in the Capcom character with the biggest cultural impact and icon status left and have her mix it up with Nintendo icons like Mario, Link and Samus? Casuals and hardcore gamers would have their mind blown.

Nah we got ryu and ken lol. Biggest cultural impact and icon status is subjective as all get out.

 

[SharkLord]

Alright, prediction time:
We get Reimu in March, and then we'll be predicting Japan-centric characters like Sakura and the like all the way to E3. Then we get Isaac, and we either predict Assist Trophies solely Waluigi until CP11 comes in and most likely proves us wrong or we just stop speculation altogether because of a dual reveal.

Extra emphasis on the tunnel vision predictions.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Goku

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Would this absolutely terrify anyone else?

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

All of the music is from SF2 and it's variations. There's literally no music representation of any of the games after SF2. Street Fighter also has a big enough cast so that there are more than enough remaining characters to make into Spirits.

If Sephiroth somehow represents KH to you, then Cloud should have already been enough because he was in Kingdom Hearts too.
And like I said, there were plenty of other amazing Square Enix franchises as well that could have used representation.

Well, sure, SF, could have more music, it could have more spirits, it could have more fighters, but should it?
FF7 got the representation people wanted, a more unique stage, more than two music tracks, and another character. While people wanted other Square Franchises, the decision to prioritize giving FF7 it's proper due is mostly understandable.
All the fighting game fans I talked to love the way Smash does Street Fighter, while Chun Li is an iconic character, how many people are gonna say "Now they finally got SF right!"
I do consider Cloud and Sephiroth reps of KH, I just see Sephiroth as more.

 

[PeridotGX]

I think garchomp is surprisingly likely especially if there are sinnoh remakes. he could have a dig down b and different moves when he is underground.

Garchomp would be neat, but I can't see it being who they go with for a second sinnoh rep.

I genuinely think Regigigas is a frontrunner. It's relevant in both Sinnoh and Galar, and is one of a handful of legendries that isn't fighting for relevance with another (adding Dialga would piss off the Palkia fans, for example).

 

[pupNapoleon]

For the double boss thingy I was talking about just two different battles not ONE battle that would be crazy lmao
Reimu's classic mode would undoubtedly be based on Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, and 7 battles total fits the amount of stages in EoSD, counting the Extra stage, which is why she could have two boss fights; first agaisnt Dracula (aka Remilia) then Marx (aka Flandre)

Seriously... I can understand a bit of Japanese, and all Touhou talk sounds like jibbiersh

I don't think Nintendo would advertise a character who isn't Mario on Mario's 35th anniversary. It doesn't make much sense when the anniversary focus should be on Mario.

Ah yes. I remember when came out in Marios 35th year.... which was also not even it's 35th year, since Mario came out in 1981.

I mean Sephiroth's trailer was a short Advent Children reference. Maybe it is a hint for Goku because they're subtly breaking the non-video game character rule?

Pokemon has done that for 6 games.

I honestly don't know how people still have faith in Cacomallow like bro the "leak" died like a year ago at this point
After Sephiroth I have literally no idea who could come next, I've never been this lost in Smash speculation lol

Fan rules. Have never. Meant anything. We break one with every reveal.

Cacomallow is the bad groin rash of this damn thread.

I disagree.
Geno.
Gen 8.
Fire Emblem.

 

[SharkLord]

Well, sure, SF, could have more music, it could have more spirits, it could have more fighters, but should it?
FF7 got the representation people wanted, a more unique stage, more than two music tracks, and another character. While people wanted other Square Franchises, the decision to prioritize giving FF7 it's proper due is mostly understandable.
All the fighting game fans I talked to love the way Smash does Street Fighter, while Chun Li is an iconic character, how many people are gonna say "Now they finally got SF right!"
I do consider Cloud and Sephiroth reps of KH, I just see Sephiroth as more.

To be fair everything that isn't SFII is pretty neglected.

That being said, SFII is the most iconic game in the series and the one Chun-Li is associated with the most. There's definitely a bigger gap than with Seph.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Short answer: Goku.

Serious answer: No consensus. With Steve and the big curveball in the form of Sephiroth, the speculation has come to a grinding halt as no one has any idea who the next character could be.

I can go back and quote that the only predicted character of this entire cycle was Hero, who was leaked (as Erdrick). Please do not make me, it's more work than my little Grinch (haha, pun not intended) heart can take.

 

[BZL8]

I can go back and quote that the only predicted character of this entire cycle was Hero, who was leaked (as Erdrick). Please do not make me, it's more work than my little Grinch (haha, pun not intended) heart can take.

Don't forget Terry, who got leaked via legal disclaimers on Nintendo UK's website. Once people saw the SNK copyright, everyone pointed to him being the primary pick.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

I just hope they strike a balance in this fighter pass seeing how Banjo-Kazooie is the only one I really care about and bought so far in both Season 1 and 2.

I just want another platforming mascot/icon with Crash Bandicoot being the biggest and most obvious choice, He just makes too much sense for them to pass up.

 

[mynameisBlade]

I just hope they strike a balance in this fighter pass.

I just want another platforming mascot/icon with Crash Bandicoot being the biggest and most obvious choice, He just makes too much sense for them to pass up.

I have been wishing the same thing since the start of FP1.

 

[BernkastelWitch]

I just hope they strike a balance in this fighter pass.

I just want another platforming mascot/icon with Crash Bandicoot being the biggest and most obvious choice, He just makes too much sense for them to pass up.

I feel like he has good shot in the pass as the next "Big name" to get in the pass. The rest of the slots I can see being some more lowkey, unexpected, or "Niche" picks, in all honesty. Crash or Dante I still feel would fit that bill as the next "Big name" in the pass.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

To be fair everything that isn't SFII is pretty neglected.

That being said, SFII is the most iconic game in the series and the one Chun-Li is associated with the most. There's definitely a bigger gap than with Seph.

Isn't Ryu's DP based of SF4? And aren't both characters parrys based off SF3? Plus, there are a few Alpha spirits as well right?
While SF2 is by far represented the most, the other games aren't outright ignored.