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Eldrake

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Slight tangent but the more time goes by the more I think Ryu Hayabusa might be a red herring

I feel like he would have been revealed sooner, at LEAST before Steve and/or Sephiroth

plus iirc Verge did mention Koei Tecmo was in talks with Nintendo BUT didn’t explicitly say “playable character in smash”

Just a thought really
That's something I am willing to believe could happen. Maybe Nintendo do think that it'd be cool to see Ryu Hayabusa in Smash, but it doesn't necessarily mean that that would happen now. Such negotiations can take time, especially if it's true that Steve was in negotiations for roughly five years. Not to mention that maybe Nintendo might have different priorities in mind.
 

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Ok look hear me out, both square characters were revealed in the possible endings of world of light, hero was revealed as a rebel in the spirit overrun world of darkon and sephiroth was shown to defeat galeem. What does that leave? The true ending. Where everything is at peace, a new character would have to fit this and since these are square characters it could be none other than geno achieving his rightful place that is why I think he will be pack 11.
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As a fellow Geno fan myself who's wanted him from the base game of Ultimate, you should just let it go.
 

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I wonder, how about Phoenix Wright? Hes a big character, no spirits or other content despite his fame. We have yet to get a Capcom Rep in either fighters pass. And Capcom seems to have plans for the Ace Attorney series, with all the leaks with remasters, localizations, and even AA7. Is it far out to hope for him?
Capcom does seem to be pushing Ace Attorney pretty hard next year and it is the 20th anniversary but it seems like anniversaries don't matter much for smash reps. It's hard for me to talk objectively about Phoenix since he is my most wanted, especially when his competition is the titan of a series, Monster Hunter. Phoenix definitely has the history with Nintendo over MH but we learned with reps like Sephiroth that doesn't count for much anymore. The main ways I can see them picking Phoenix over MH are:

1. The Phoenix Wright series needs promotion more than Monster Hunter. MH sells like hotcakes no matter what, so even if there isn't promotion for Rise in smash, the game will sell like crazy. Phoenix Wright is a popular series but doesn't reach the same numbers as MH, so I can seem them using Smash as a chance to promote the series while they release the TGAA collection and whatever else they have in store. On the flipside, MH would probably sell more of the pass than Phoenix so it's hard to tell.

2. The curveball element. Many are expecting MH to be the Capcom rep from what I've seen, more than Dante or Phoenix. This smash dlc has thrown many curveballs such as having Sephiroth be the Square rep when many were expecting Sora (even though hes Disney), Geno, 2B, Lara, etc. While Phoenix has a lot more people thinking he is likely than Sephiroth, I can still see Nintendo picking him for the surprise element that they believe it will present. I will admit this is a weak argument and could be used for any "not insanely popular" character.

I'm not even going to present the argument of MH already being repped in Smash with Rathalos. I feel like Min Min has destroyed that theory since Springman was also an assist. Hard to tell though since MH also has music and a boss in addition to the AT. Who knows honestly but like I said I would be happy with any Capcom rep. MH, Dante, Phoenix, Viewtiful Joe, Ammy, Arthur, Power Stone rep etc. are all amazing to me, they just have so many amazing characters that sadly aren't repped in Smash.
 

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Slight tangent but the more time goes by the more I think Ryu Hayabusa might be a red herring

I feel like he would have been revealed sooner, at LEAST before Steve and/or Sephiroth...

...Just a thought really
Eeh, I don't think Ryu is the kind of character with an expiration date on his reveal.

Dark Samus is an it, not a she. Unlike Samus who is a she. I will not argue this.
From what I gather, Dark Samus is canonically a she, but it doesn't make any sense. Like, how the heck can you simultaneously be a being of pure energy and also be genetically the same as Samus in every way?
 
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As a fellow Geno fan myself who's wanted him from the base game of Ultimate, you should just let it go.
As someone who’s not that big of a Geno fan and prefers other characters a lot more AND thinks that the Geno mii costume returning is a likely possibility, we shouldn’t jump to conclusions.
 
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I realised something. Whenever we think a character is dead in the water is when they become the most likely character to appear. It happened with ARMS, it happened when people stopped believing Steve was a frontrunner and it happened with Sephiroth.

Doom Guy is coming.
lol I said the same thing now that I've lost confidence in Doom Guy with everything he has against him. Sephiroth is a bit different since he was never a front runner. More of an outside hopeful kind of thing. I'm expecting complete surprises from now on. The only heavily speculated characters that we ended up getting (Steve doesn't count because his stock went way down and neither do leaks like Hero) were Banjo and Byleth.
 

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Heyo!


I think the issue with Shadow as an Echo Fighter is that while there's nothing that Sonic does that absolutely does not make sense on Shadow, he does have a bunch of things that Shadow doesn't actually do much like with...pretty much all of the Echo Fighters that aren't Ken really. And on top of that, he has a bunch of abilities that Sonic can't do.

Essentially, there's nothing stopping him from being an Echo Fighter, but he'd be Dark Samus levels of missed opportunity.
I hear this a lot and what makes it strange is that before Dark Samus was revealed, it was really pushed as a good echo candidate. And in fairness, I feel like what we got with Dark Samus was its best case scenario.
Dark Samus is an it, not a she. Unlike Samus who is a she. I will not argue this.
I think Dark Samus was a Sacrifice

Ridley was already in the game, and was the Unique Metroid Newcomer. Add into the fact that Dark Samus herself is Very Irrelevant, and While requested overseas, probably was very Overshadowed by Ridley and MANY characters, and I think Echo fighter was probably her only way of being in Smash

And I don't think Shadow is in the Same Situation. Shadow is a Character that is Very Relevant, Popular, and has been very Requested for Smash for awhile. While he does get Overshadowed by Other Sonic characters in Some Speculation cycles and some circles, he Also does overshadow them in Other Speculation Cycles and Other Circles of the internet. I've should have mentioned this back then when people will always throw out "Dark Samus" at me when I talked about Shadow getting in as Unique Character.

But Technically, if they wanted, they could make Shadow as an echo, But I never thought that would happen because of how 3rd party works and that Shadow had enough Merits and Abilities to be considered on his own Merits, and not just talking about him being different from Sonic, but the entire Cast as well

As for Dark Samus Gender, She is a She I Believe, and while it is weird that she's just a Mass of Energy, I guess that Mass of Energy can conform itself into a Woman suit and such.
 

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So how would you guys feel if the 5Chan leak turned out to be real? What would your overall thoughts be of Season Pass 2?
I just wanna preface this with the fact that I have serious doubts on the 5chan leak's validity. The only thing that it got was correctly guessing that Sephiroth was in the pass, and any broken clock can be right twice a day. Aside from that I can't picture Nintendo making the pass and not including another Nintendo character.

With that being said, I would be so happy with the roster given by the 5chan leak. Kosmos sounds cool and I am a fan of Crash Bandicoot, but holy hell Reimu would be such a great surprise.
 

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Ok look hear me out, both square characters were revealed in the possible endings of world of light, hero was revealed as a rebel in the spirit overrun world of darkon and sephiroth was shown to defeat galeem. What does that leave? The true ending. Where everything is at peace, a new character would have to fit this and since these are square characters it could be none other than geno achieving his rightful place that is why I think he will be pack 11.
Eleven? I's love 55 more characters, but I do think we will cap at 5.

Though I hope not. My dream list is about 120, and not everyone who gets in is on it.
 

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Quick question does Reimu have a voice actress in the Touhou spin-offs on switch? The mainline Touhou games are voiceless but I’m not counting those
I think she's had a couple fangames where she was voiced. I specifically remember a mobile game where she spoke; Not sure if it's on the Switch or not. I also know some professional VAs worked on a couple prominent fan animes.

I'm positive that if Reimu gets added, she'll have a voice. The majority of characters in Touhou are pretty talkative both inside and out of the actual games. Still, it's funny to think about, seeing as this would the first time she's officially voice acted. It also raises the question of whether or not she'll be translated, or if she'll speak in Japanese only like Cloud and Sephiroth.
 

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What made Sephiroth a complete surprise to a ton of people was:

1. With how little Final Fantasy content there was in Smash already and how weird Squares stuff is here, everyone assumed there wouldn't be much Final Fantasy content. It's why you got people clamoring for Non Final Fantasy characters which became a stronger sentiment when Hero was announced.

2. The fact that everyone keeps suspecting we'll get one of the big name frontrunners as the next character each guess(Sora/Waluigi/Dante/Hayabusa/Rex/Doom Guy/ etc etc) and caused some people to completely ignore the possibility of a surprise choice, which threw them off guard each time.

At the very least that's what it felt like. Sephiroth was more of a "Unrealistic hope" to many people until now.
 

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Perhaps Geno, if a Costume, will come with 2 Music Tracks, since that's the same number of Tracks that were taken down by Nintendo
 

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Slight tangent but the more time goes by the more I think Ryu Hayabusa might be a red herring

I feel like he would have been revealed sooner, at LEAST before Steve and/or Sephiroth

plus iirc Verge did mention Koei Tecmo was in talks with Nintendo BUT didn’t explicitly say “playable character in smash”

Just a thought really
I nominate myself as tribute for being the knowledge wielder of Nintendo's red herring!
 

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I feel like the only characters that could possibly surprise me at this point would be Sora because of the Square/Disney restrictions and Reimu due to being fairly obscure among the west and the general insanity of adding her. Though both would be a welcome addition in my book though.
 
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That's something I am willing to believe could happen. Maybe Nintendo do think that it'd be cool to see Ryu Hayabusa in Smash, but it doesn't necessarily mean that that would happen now. Such negotiations can take time, especially if it's true that Steve was in negotiations for roughly five years. Not to mention that maybe Nintendo might have different priorities in mind.
I am fully committed to Smash having 5+ years of DLC.
I will take this as slander if you are incorrect.
 

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I feel like the only characters that could possibly surprise me at this point would be Sora because of the Square/Disney restrictions and Reimu due to the general insanity of adding her. Though both would be a welcome addition in my book.
If we end up getting Reimu I think it's very possible it'd end up being an SNK-esque kitchen sink of songs.
 

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Capcom does seem to be pushing Ace Attorney pretty hard next year and it is the 20th anniversary but it seems like anniversaries don't matter much for smash reps. It's hard for me to talk objectively about Phoenix since he is my most wanted, especially when his competition is the titan of a series, Monster Hunter. Phoenix definitely has the history with Nintendo over MH but we learned with reps like Sephiroth that doesn't count for much anymore. The main ways I can see them picking Phoenix over MH are:
No... he is 'competing,' if that fan made rule is a thing, against every Capcom representative, including their biggest media series, Resident Evil.

Disregard the fan rules or don't, but let's at least be consistent.
 

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Do you guys think that Geno's hat will be turned into a mask in the same vein as Sans, Cuphead, and Vault Boy? I personally don't think so. I do think it would be good for Geno support, as it's one step closer to the character actually being in Super Smash Bros. (at the step that people unironically say that they are in Super Smash Bros.), but I don't think Nintendo has any reason not to just reuse the hat from the previous game. Why make a new hat when the old one still works and is ready to use?
 
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