Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Powerman293]

Like
I know about the Grinch Leak
But people talk about it as if it was ****ing Vietnam
And what the %$#@ is an ESRB leak

Let's just say there was a lot of fighting and biases involved.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

And to nobody's surprise...

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10/23(金)から3日間、「魅せろ職人技！ 道具の使い手選手権」を開催！ 銃や爆弾、ヨーヨーやツルハシ……道具を使いこなすファイター限定のトーナメントです。勝ち進むほど、豪華なスピリッツが手に入ります。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/e3GaKqD2MU

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) October 21, 2020

Love the minecraft pixel art of other characters' weapons

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Judging from the back, looks like the Links, Peach, Villager and Isabelle, Pac-Man, and Duck Hunt will be used

Cause they can pull items out of their inventory like Steve?

also I see Inkling’s Splattershot so I assume Inkling is in the tournament too

Simon/Richter too probably cause of the axe

New patch too

A new Ver. 9.0.1 of Super #SmashBrosUltimate will arrive tomorrow! This update will include fighter adjustments, meaning replay data from previous versions will be incompatible. Convert your replays by going to Vault -> Replays -> Replay Data -> Convert to Video, before updating. pic.twitter.com/vC4LmiJmp8

— Nintendo Versus (@NintendoVS) October 21, 2020

Probably to fix the stage glitch with Steve and Samus/Dark Samus

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Hmm... an ice-themed 3D platformer...

That ironically doesn't have ice physics because the main characters's shoes are spiked.

 

[SneakyLink]

Cause they can pull items out of their inventory like Steve?

also I see Inkling’s Splattershot so I assume Inkling is in the tournament too

Simon/Richter too probably cause of the axe

New patch too

A new Ver. 9.0.1 of Super #SmashBrosUltimate will arrive tomorrow! This update will include fighter adjustments, meaning replay data from previous versions will be incompatible. Convert your replays by going to Vault -> Replays -> Replay Data -> Convert to Video, before updating. pic.twitter.com/vC4LmiJmp8

— Nintendo Versus (@NintendoVS) October 21, 2020

Probably to fix the stage glitch with Steve and Samus/Dark Samus

Replays were available for a week and change and now they’re goin poof!

And yeah, I’m thinking the tourney theme is inventories.

 

[Slime Master]

And to nobody's surprise...

【トーナメントイベント】
10/23(金)から3日間、「魅せろ職人技！ 道具の使い手選手権」を開催！ 銃や爆弾、ヨーヨーやツルハシ……道具を使いこなすファイター限定のトーナメントです。勝ち進むほど、豪華なスピリッツが手に入ります。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/e3GaKqD2MU

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) October 21, 2020

The axe in the background... It's not a minecraft axe, and it doesn't look like Villager's axe or Amyr. Could we be getting another axe user?

Spoiler: he's in

edit:damn you belmonts

 

[Megadoomer]

The axe in the background... It's not a minecraft axe, and it doesn't look like Villager's axe or Amyr. Could we be getting another axe user?

Spoiler: he's in

Pretty sure it's the Belmonts' axe.

 

[Guynamednelson]

damn you belmonts

This post was made by Dracula Gang.

 

[SNEKeater]

This post was made by Dracula Gang.

Dracula every time he sees a Belmont

 

[Deleted member]

The 5 voiceline slots stuff is pretty interesting to see. If it's safe to assume that all 5 of these were to be filled, 1 of the Challenger Packs will include either a fighter with a male/female variant, a fighter with a different character for an alt, or a fighter and an echo.

Personally, I want it to be a fighter and an echo because a 2 for 1 kind of deal sounds great and will probably mean both characters get Amiibos that way instead of 1 of them getting left out for being an alt like FemByleth, and out of all the characters I can think of, Billy and Jimmy from Double Dragon sound the most ideal to me since they're both the main protagonists of their games even if they play completely the same.

 

[Cosmic77]

Even if the slots for the voices of the characters line up perfectly in the menu a second time, I don't think I could ever consider it to be anything more than a coincidence.

The voice menu is just one of many different menus, and unlike the others, this one has a ⅙ chance of being perfectly aligned. Compare that to the menus for the character roster and stages which have 12-13 and 11 slots in each row respectively. There's also the nearly identical menu for music. Does it matter if that menu lines up, or are we gonna pretend character voices are the only ones that matter?

It's a neat coincidence, but that's all I think of it as — a coincidence.

 

[cashregister9]

They could also just, add more voice slots if they need it.

 

[RGFS]

AYYYYY Always great to see my video reposted here.

And what a fantastic video it was! Loved the overall coverage and editing. Even watching it back again takes me right back to when it was all going down.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

And to nobody's surprise...

【トーナメントイベント】
10/23(金)から3日間、「魅せろ職人技！ 道具の使い手選手権」を開催！ 銃や爆弾、ヨーヨーやツルハシ……道具を使いこなすファイター限定のトーナメントです。勝ち進むほど、豪華なスピリッツが手に入ります。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/e3GaKqD2MU

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) October 21, 2020

ResidentSleeper

 

[Rie Sonomura]

As for the tourney, I also see Duck Hunt’s Can, K. Rool’s... Cannon thing and Snake’s grenade

so I assume they’re in too

 

[ROBnWatch]

R.O.B.’s Gyro directly beneath Steve’s pickaxe.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Pretty sure the reason was the one that got the most focus in trailer is because he’s the most well known DQ Hero in the West. DQIII was the best selling DQ over here all the way until 8 if I’m not mistaken.

He's also the most iconic Hero in Japan.

Are the Ice Climbers siblings or lovers?

Or?

"O-oniiichan~..."

What would an Ice Climber game today even look like? A 60-Dollar AAA title Ice Climber, where the game is all ice and you just climb all the time?

Breath of the Wild, but it's all cliffs?

 

[Shroob]

Or?

"O-oniiichan~..."

Yeah that's a hell of a first thing to see tonight

 

[SharkLord]

Or?

"O-oniiichan~..."

Enough

 

[osby]

Or?

"O-oniiichan~..."

Why would you do something like this just because you can?

 

[7NATOR]

Well in the Case the CSS's will really line up

-Besides One of the characters needing to have an Alt Character, Only 2 of the Final 4 Characters can be from New Franchises, as the Music Selection screen has Two Spots left

-We will also need to get I Believe 2 or 3 new stages Separate from the Fighter Pass

On the Grinch Leak, It would have been cool if the Grinck Leak was actually an Old Planned roster that actually had both all Veterans in the game, and a Normal Amount of Newcomers (Gen 7 Pokemon would have still been decided going into 2017). Of course that's not the case because the Grinch Leak was planned with the Chadendorf 4chan post most likely, and there was that Rumor that Isaac was always planned as Assist Trophy

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

He's also the most iconic Hero in Japan.

Or?

"O-oniiichan~..."

Wow

 

[cashregister9]

Or?

"O-oniiichan~..."

Insert Joke about Corrin

 

[Shroob]

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Wow

.....well this is like, half as cursed.

 

[SneakyLink]

.....well this is like, half as cursed.

Honestly... after everything going on with the company behind that particular image the past two weeks, I needed something funny, even if it appears a little cursed.

Anyhow... been thinking. Since we likely had two tourneys skipped due to not having Steve at the time, would next week be the other skipped tourney?

 

[DarthEnderX]

Why would you do something like this just because you can?

This, too, is a part of of the Cycle of Smash Speculation. The renewing Spring that comes after the desolation of each Winter Geno argument.

 

[KillerCage]

Or?

"O-oniiichan~..."

You asked for it.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

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— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 20, 2020

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Said this before, but one of my big disappointments with World of Light is that we'll never get to see all these new characters having Subspace-levels of interaction.

 

[Shroob]

Said this before, but one of my big disappointments with World of Light is that we'll never get to see all these new characters having Subspace-levels of interaction.

I know it's supposed to be like, chains of light


But my brain keeps telling me they're stink lines coming off Ridley for some reason

 

[Rie Sonomura]

1992年のきょう『スーパーマリオランド2 6つの金貨』発売。
ワリオが初登場した作品です。 pic.twitter.com/F0o7Xg84G5

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 21, 2020

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[SneakyLink]

1992年のきょう『スーパーマリオランド2 6つの金貨』発売。
ワリオが初登場した作品です。 pic.twitter.com/F0o7Xg84G5

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 21, 2020

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Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins released today.
This is Wario's first work.

That's a rough translation of the Sakurai post.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

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So Palutena's into bad boys eh?

Wonder what that means for the Pits.

 

[KillerCage]

1992年のきょう『スーパーマリオランド2 6つの金貨』発売。
ワリオが初登場した作品です。 pic.twitter.com/F0o7Xg84G5

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 21, 2020

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Wario: "Ladies love choppers! Ask her!
Palutena: "Hahaha... right..."

 

[chocolatejr9]

1992年のきょう『スーパーマリオランド2 6つの金貨』発売。
ワリオが初登場した作品です。 pic.twitter.com/F0o7Xg84G5

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) October 21, 2020

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Is this that secret ending from Virtual Boy Wario Land?

 

[PSIGuy]

Acknowledging Super Mario Land 2, but the image is more like Virtual Boy Wario Land

(No, we don't know who the woman is meant to be.)

 

[JOJONumber691]

Calling it now, one of these Fighters will have 3 Voices because another fighter isn’t getting voiced.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

LMAOOOO the stage thing wasn’t the only glitch associated with steve

 

[epicmartin7]

I don't mean to dash anyone's hopes or anything, but Smash Bros. UI is never a good indicator of future content. As much as we humans like structure and think everything needs it... that is far from the case. Especially in a game like Smash Ultimate that is constantly evolving with its UI.

Structure is only good if there's additional substance behind it. A good example is Smash Ultimate's Max CSS. While 91 CSS icons looks good since it's a rectangle and stimulates our human goal towards structure... it's also the literal UI limit for the Character Selection Screen. Literally trying to enable anything past it... makes the game crash (or glitch out) because the developers didn't program anything more.

Not only that, but the 16 placeholders that exist in Smash Ultimate's param files (specifically in [spirits_campaign_enc_foto_param.prc] (or commonly known as the "WOL Placeholders") in 1.0.0 (I say 1.0.0 as this file does have a wonky revision history. If you're curious about that, here's the file's full history throughout the game's lifespan) and [attack_log_parameter.prc] (this file is A LOT more straight-forward thankfully with it retaining most of the same structure throughout all revisions)) directly correlate with the Max CSS as well. As... if you add 16 to the base game CSS icon count (75), you get 91.

So compared to something like using the voice test menu as an indicator, the Max CSS stuff at least has stuff corroborating it was intended.

(Note: This Max CSS stuff isn't relating to how many characters the game can handle. Just.... how much UI related to those characters could be displayed. UI stuff and Fighter IDs are totally different things. Also, this doesn't indicate future amounts of DLC post-FP2 (if we even get any, and all signs points toward "no", at least for now), this only talks about how much the game is programmed to handle. Of course, that could change in an update, but... 9 revisions in, and no changes at all.)

So... basically, shapes... while cool.... can be your worst enemy sometimes. So be careful unless something has other things corroborating it.

 

[NintenRob]

An interesting implication regarding the voice lines is that it suggests who might not be playable. Unless we get a character with 3 or more voice lines, we won't be getting characters who are voiceless. This probably means we won't be getting characters like Bandana Waddle Dee (although some games like to give him a little squeak) unfortunately. And there other popular characters this rules out too imo

 

[BlondeLombax]

"O-oniiichan~..."

Note; this is used in a non-threatening manner