Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SNEKeater]

Let this week be the week for a reveal...

PLEASE...

I’m at my limit my dudes

You're no the only one

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Does she have to have a full pack? Remember how this Fighter Pass has one extra character compared to the previous one? Might just be Impa, as a bonus character like Piranha Plant was. She can come with different bonuses, like alternative costumes for the Zelda cast, like BotW Zelda, or whatever else.

It's already been stated each character is gonna have a full pack with a stage and some songs

If one is an obviously lesser value, I don't think they would charge 5.99 for it separate from the pass

 

[chocolatejr9]

So apparently not ONLY is there maintenance tomorrow, but also the Japanese My Nintendo site will go down for 4 days until Oct 1st?

heard from the Geno thread (I know I know) but can anyone confirm?

Obligoratory "has this happened before" response, in case this actually means something. I don't actually pay attention to maintenance.

 

[Shroob]

So apparently not ONLY is there maintenance tomorrow, but also the Japanese My Nintendo site will go down for 4 days until Oct 1st?

heard from the Geno thread (I know I know) but can anyone confirm?

I mean, remember last time we got Maintenance?

If there's anything major tomorrow, we'd either get an announcement today, or a shadow drop tomorrow.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Obligoratory "has this happened before" response, in case this actually means something. I don't actually pay attention to maintenance.

Emphasis on the Japanese My Nintendo site. Idk if anyone’s noticed that going down before but do those go down before smash reveals?

Venus of the Desert Bloom do you usually check the JP My Nintendo site to confirm?

 

[Idon]

You're no the only one

delays the next fighter until 2021

 

[Diddy Kong]

It's already been stated each character is gonna have a full pack with a stage and some songs

Otherwise I don't think they'd charge $5.99 for every single one of em separately

Piranha Plant is also that expansive right?

Impa can simply come with a stage from Hyrule Warriors 2. Yes it's gonna be Hyrule, but it can be a total different location. Like, the inner area of a Sheikah Shrine for example. Or Kakariko Village.

It's you lack of imagination that's the problem. Not Impa herself.

 

[P.Kat]

Nero coming to smash would mean

Padoru4smash

Do we really want THAT in Smash? I mean look what the cursed Padoru that Saber brought did to poor Pyra no wonder she can't join Smash.

Padoru is a corruption, a disease...

But I'm still down for Saber to join Smash, most likely Red Saber will be a Alt, despite having different fighting styles and Noble Phantasms

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Bruh I know you got mad at me a few weeks ago for saying Rex is generally considered likely but you're really trying to say VNs aren't games?

If you have to go back to prior arguments to attack other people's character and not their points.

It shows that you have lost.

And its kinda petty. Don't do this kind of stuff people... It's not a good look.

 

[Megadoomer]

My last thought and question is... if they somehow ended up doing an echo pack, with a few echo fighters in it, how many and how much would be good for that? Like maybe 4 for 5.99$ or etc.

And also, which echos would you like?

My guess would be $2.49 or $2.99 each. Mii costumes are $0.75 each, while Corrin (a unique character who didn't include a stage) was $4.99 in Smash 4, so I figure an echo fighter would be somewhere between that. (I figure that echo fighters would take more work than Mii costumes)

As for who I'd like to see? Octoling (from Splatoon), Jeanne (from Bayonetta), and Ken (from Street Fighter) were the main ones that appealed to me when the Echo Fighter concept was revealed, so Octoling and Jeanne would be my first two picks.

I'd like to see Tails, though I feel like that might be stretching it - he'd be like a Chrom-style echo, since he'd have a different recovery, and a Ken-style echo, since some moves would likely be different, so that's likely stretching the definition of an echo.

Beyond that, I have no idea. I'm sure some people might suggest Impa (whether it's the Skyward Sword, Hyrule Warriors, or HW: Age of Calamity version) as a Sheik echo, or Dixie as a Diddy echo, but I feel like they've got more to offer than just being echo fighters.

 

[Teeb147]

Well if she isn't in the pass then I wouldn't mind for AoC Impa to be a Sheik echo.

Sure. She fits sheik more than ever. Can never get enough ninja girls right?

Guess people aren't too interested in echos anymore. Or I wonder.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Piranha Plant is also that expansive right?

Impa can simply come with a stage from Hyrule Warriors 2. Yes it's gonna be Hyrule, but it can be a total different location. Like, the inner area of a Sheikah Shrine for example. Or Kakariko Village.

It's you lack of imagination that's the problem. Not Impa herself.

Gotta remember that Plant was 3-4 dollars. All the packs are gonna be 6.

If one of em is to feature just a character and no stage while still being 6 bucks, that'd be a scam, especially since the already promised a character, stage and music for ever single one of em.

 

[Shroob]

Piranha Plant is also that expansive right?

Impa can simply come with a stage from Hyrule Warriors 2. Yes it's gonna be Hyrule, but it can be a total different location. Like, the inner area of a Sheikah Shrine for example. Or Kakariko Village.

It's you lack of imagination that's the problem. Not Impa herself.

Plant's a dollar cheaper, and was offered for free for like 2 months.

 

[SKX31]

delays the next fighter until 2021

FP7 winds up Top Tier because his / her Limit doesn't have a Time Limit.

Sad Advent Children Clod noises.

 

[PeridotGX]

My last thought and question is... if they somehow ended up doing an echo pack, with a few echo fighters in it, how many and how much would be good for that? Like maybe 4 for 5.99$ or etc.

And also, which echos would you like?

I'd happily pay $2 for an echo (3 if the character is more unique and/or has some music).

As for who... Proto Man and Octoling would be neat (assuming the latter isn't happening as a unique). Also Blaziken if we're allowing Cross-Series echoes.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If you have to go back to prior arguments to attack other people's character and not their points.

It shows that you have lost.

And its kinda petty. Don't do this kind of stuff people... It's not a good look.

The only argument that could be made was that he was being pedantic as ****, especially as he clarified he was on the same side of the argument but whatever

It's already been stated each character is gonna have a full pack with a stage and some songs

If one is an obviously lesser value, I don't think they would charge 5.99 for it separate from the pass

If they cared about value Terry wouldn't have been so cheap lmao

 

[Teeb147]

My guess would be $2.49 or $2.99 each. Mii costumes are $0.75 each, while Corrin (a unique character who didn't include a stage) was $4.99 in Smash 4, so I figure an echo fighter would be somewhere between that. (I figure that echo fighters would take more work than Mii costumes)

As for who I'd like to see? Octoling (from Splatoon), Jeanne (from Bayonetta), and Ken (from Street Fighter) were the main ones that appealed to me when the Echo Fighter concept was revealed, so Octoling and Jeanne would be my first two picks.

I'd like to see Tails, though I feel like that might be stretching it - he'd be like a Chrom-style echo, since he'd have a different recovery, and a Ken-style echo, since some moves would likely be different, so that's likely stretching the definition of an echo.

Beyond that, I have no idea. I'm sure some people might suggest Impa (whether it's the Skyward Sword, Hyrule Warriors, or HW: Age of Calamity version) as a Sheik echo, or Dixie as a Diddy echo, but I feel like they've got more to offer than just being echo fighters.

Yeah Dixie was pretty talked about as one. And then Shadow for sonic, but sure Tails is popular.
The price makes sense. I think a pack could be worth it if they wanted to get more bang for their buck.

Nintendo should really consider it XD

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

I see I missed Saber talk. I'm 99% sure Fate/stay night's origins as an eroge are the one major reason why it'll never be included in Smash, but I've got a full document on this in my signature which contains my thoughts.

As for Echoes, I imagine they'd charge less than average but maybe include something extra like a music track. I dunno, I dream about new Echo Fighters daily only because I'll never give up hope for Shadow. He was robbed, goddammit, and we have to show that getting an NPC role at launch doesn't always mean permanent death.

One day, the Ultimate Lifeform will Smash (don't take that out of context please).

 

[cashregister9]

My Ideal Echoes would be
-Zack for Cloud
-Blaze for Sonic
-Jeanne for Bayonetta
-Octolings for Inklings but I could easily see them being unique

also they would almost certainly be cheaper than Plant

 

[Teeb147]

I see I missed Saber talk. I'm 99% sure Fate/stay night's origins as an eroge are the one major reason why it'll never be included in Smash, but I've got a full document on this in my signature which contains my thoughts.

As for Echoes, I imagine they'd charge less than average but maybe include something extra like a music track. I dunno, I dream about new Echo Fighters daily only because I'll never give up hope for Shadow. He was robbed, goddammit.

Shadow really could've been a nice and possibly easy one, imo. They did add Richter, so it shouldn't matter that it's third party.
But if it's just that they want money, then echo dlc would've made sense XD

 

[pupNapoleon]

Well if she isn't in the pass then I wouldn't mind for AoC Impa to be a Sheik echo.

It's difficult for me to see AoC and still not read it as the New York Senator

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Shadow really could've been a nice and possibly easy one, imo. They did add Richter, so it shouldn't matter that it's third party.
But if it's just that they want money, then echo dlc would've made sense XD

See I don't think new Echoes will happen because of a few reasons:

1. Sakurai & the dev team likely consider them "junk food"; easily-made moveset clones that please people but don't bring much new otherwise.
2. They have a skeleton crew now that is almost certainly focused on making all-new assets because that's what people- and Nintendo -want.
3. I doubt they expected Echo Fighters to take off in popularity as much as they did, heck the stacking option may have been inspired by all the backlash Smash 4's clones got (which will forever be unfounded in my opinion).

Even so, I feel like new Echoes would be first party. Who knows, I'm certain that after CP11 Smash Ultimate will be done and dusted for good.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I see I missed Saber talk. I'm 99% sure Fate/stay night's origins as an eroge are the one major reason why it'll never be included in Smash, but I've got a full document on this in my signature which contains my thoughts.

As for Echoes, I imagine they'd charge less than average but maybe include something extra like a music track. I dunno, I dream about new Echo Fighters daily only because I'll never give up hope for Shadow. He was robbed, goddammit, and we have to show that getting an NPC role at launch doesn't always mean permanent death.

One day, the Ultimate Lifeform will Smash (don't take that out of context please).

Nintendo paid porn models to cosplay Bayonetta to promote Bayonetta 2 and rereleases of the original took out the porn. I HIGHLY doubt they care, especially as they bought the rights to a porn parody of Mario, so if the sex scenes that got removed since the ps2 version is such a huge blowback then we simply need to get rid of the Mario characters too

 

[skylanders fan]

My top 3 Echos would be
1. Shadow (Metal Sonic is AT don’t count)
2. Blaziken for Captain Falcon (They could make it work right if not I guess you could really push it and have him as a incenoroar echo)
3. Dry Bowser for Bowser

 

[Shroob]

So if the maintenance tomorrow means anything, which I doubt, then wouldn't this supposed announcement of an announcement drop tonight?


I remember someone said that the MinMin Announcement of an Announcement dropped a day after that tournament, which, today is, but....


Yeah color me super skeptical.

 

[pupNapoleon]

And also, which echos would you like?

Rebranding on the echoes worked very well for me. Just making them a different class of character makes all the difference. And since we saw with Ken that 'Echo' can essentially be a semi echo (not sure where the line is between Ken and Dr Mario, as an example)...

My list, as far as I recall offhand:

• Ms Pacman (Pac Man, perhaps with a Peach skeletal animation)
• Dixie (Diddy + Donkey Kong + new throws/flight mechanic also used for...)
• Tails (Sonic + that mechanic)
• Impa (Sheik + A new move for cloning, and maybe even a Greninja move)
• Octoling (Inkling)
• Tetra (T Link + Zelda)

Not yet in the game
- Sub Zero (for Scorpion)

Odd category:
- ALPH (Olimar.... with Rock Pikmin, and maybe even the old recovery)

Also price wise....
I'd guess they would sell a few at a time (either two or three) of characters who appeal to vastly different markets. And it would be $4.50

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Nintendo paid porn models to cosplay Bayonetta to promote Bayonetta 2 and rereleases of the original took out the porn. I HIGHLY doubt they care, especially as they bought the rights to a porn parody of Mario, so if the sex scenes that got removed since the ps2 version is such a huge blowback then we simply need to get rid of the Mario characters too

You're comparing a knock-off parody to official material. Nintendo only bought Hornio Bros. to stop it from circulating further, because they obviously don't want that kind of **** out there tainting their IP, unofficial or not.

Yes, Realta Nua exists which adds both censorship and replacement options for FSN's H-scenes. But they still exist and can be found with a quick Google search, which I doubt little Timmy's mom would want him doing if he was curious about this "Saber" character added to his Smash Bros. game.

Don't get me wrong, I really ****ing badly want Fate/stay night to get fighter-level representation in Ultimate, since I think it hits all the quotas. The eroge aspects are just the elephant in the room Nintendo would obviously take into serious consideration, given their stance towards this stuff already. Given how big the franchise is now thanks to Grand Order though, if they thought the potential profits outweighed the risk I could see them going for it. Knowing Sakurai I'm sure he's read the VN at some point in his life anyway, maybe he likes it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You're comparing a knock-off parody to official material. Nintendo only bought Hornio Bros. to stop it from circulating further, because they obviously don't want that kind of **** out there tainting their IP, unofficial or not.

Yes, Realta Nua exists which adds both censorship and replacement options for FSN's H-scenes. But they still exist and can be found with a quick Google search, which I doubt little Timmy's mom would want him doing if he was curious about this "Saber" character added to his Smash Bros. game.

Don't get me wrong, I really ****ing badly want Fate/stay night to get fighter-level representation in Ultimate, since I think it hits all the quotas. The eroge aspects are just the elephant in the room Nintendo would obviously take into serious consideration, given their stance towards this stuff already. Given how big the franchise is now thanks to Grand Order though, if they thought the potential profits outweighed the risk I could see them going for it. Knowing Sakurai I'm sure he's read the VN at some point in his life anyway, maybe he likes it.

A quick google search of Pokemon gave me porn with the safesearch on. If Sugiyama being a vile human being who laughs at the idea of teenagers killing themselves and **** didn't stop Dragon Quest, porn wouldn't stop Saber

 

[Ivander]

Yes, Realta Nua exists which adds both censorship and replacement options for FSN's H-scenes. But they still exist and can be found with a quick Google search, which I doubt little Timmy's mom would want him doing if he was curious about this "Saber" character added to his Smash Bros. game.

I literally just did a search "Fate Saber" and none of the image searches have the "scenes". Heck, the Type moon wiki only mentions the scene in Fate/HA and makes no mention of the scene in the original.

If a kid were to look for information on Saber by just typing "Fate Saber", they would not see or learn of the scenes in the original. In order for a kid to find the scenes, they would have to have been told about them, whether by someone telling them or from some edgy try-hard randomly posting and talking about them and would have to directly search for that scene to find them. If they were just looking for info on them just by typing "Fate Saber", they would not find them as none of the images from searching that have any of the scenes.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

As someone who's focused on playing several other video games at the moment:

...This is pretty much my mindset on CP7's reveal date.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Big brain idea

Belial. Suddenly "Not for good boys and girls" isn't exclusive to women anymore.

Man, The Belial stanning on twitter is amazing and they singlehandedly made me start liking him

 

[N3ON]

A quick google search of Pokemon gave me porn with the safesearch on. If Sugiyama being a vile human being who laughs at the idea of teenagers killing themselves and **** didn't stop Dragon Quest, porn wouldn't stop Saber

I think Saber can get in, but holy false equivalency, Batman.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

So apparently not ONLY is there maintenance tomorrow, but also the Japanese My Nintendo site will go down for 4 days until Oct 1st?

heard from the Geno thread (I know I know) but can anyone confirm?

its better to assume it means nothing then assume it means something

I think Saber can get in, but holy false equivalency, Batman.

wouldnt r-18 stuff showing up with safe search on say a lot about your search history to begin with?

 

[Shroob]

Man, The Belial stanning on twitter is amazing and they singlehandedly made me start liking him

Everyone loves Belial.

You can't be a real Granblue fan if you don't love Belial.

 

[Idon]

Everyone loves Belial.

You can't be a real Granblue fan if you don't love Belial.

and/or Sandalphon it seems.

 

[N3ON]

wouldny r-18 stuff showing up with safe serch on say a lot about your search history to begin with?

I don't know, maybe. But I'm sure somewhere there's a good christian midwestern soccer mom getting irate with the oversight in the search engine.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Everyone loves Belial.

You can't be a real Granblue fan if you don't love Belial.

This **** sucks because I see 'Belial' and keep assuming it's the Ultraman villain so I keep going "They added an Ultraman to Granblue?" Whenever I read it

 

[Shroob]

This **** sucks because I see 'Belial' and keep assuming it's the Ultraman villain so I keep going "They added an Ultraman to Granblue?" Whenever I read it

Wouldn't be surprised if there's an eventual crossover.

There's already a dedicated Toku storyarc event with kaijus and all that ****.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

and/or Sandalphon it seems.

who in the world is- Oh my

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wouldn't be surprised if there's an eventual crossover.

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There's already a dedicated Toku storyarc event with kaijus and all that ****.

The next Granblue event will have Gran wield the decapitated head of Belial on a pike as a sword that smacktalks him constantly LESGOOOOOOOOO