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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Aight, crackhead prediction time.

CP7 is Saber. Mii Costumes are Dante, Master Chief, Geno, Sora, Travis, and Live-Action Trailer Crash. A solo Minecraft stage comes later. Also, it's a triple reveal. CP8 is Klonoa and CP9 is Geralt of Rivia.

There you go. The speculation scene is ****ed, everyone's brains are fried, logic is dead, nothing makes sense anymore. You're welcome.
Shark, you utter madman. The world simply isn't ready for a combination so unfathomably powerful.

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Even though it's a fake, wonder what they meant by "Imminent".


People have speculated that the Announcement of an Announcement is coming today due to something similar happening with MinMin, but I seriously doubt that.
 

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Even though it's a fake, wonder what they meant by "Imminent".


People have speculated that the Announcement of an Announcement is coming today due to something similar happening with MinMin, but I seriously doubt that.
Today on sunday?
 

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Pretty sure that's due to Europe being more strict on gacha laws isn't it? I know Belgium just banned them outright, and didn't Germany as well?
To my knowledge, we didn't.
Looks through my previous answer from Friday (Jesus Christ we've done 37 pages worth of #Content since then?) and related articles.

Nope. The German authorities came rather close to banning a mobile game (Coin Star / Master) due to its focus on gambling. Still, the gamesindustry article notes this:

As Hilgert outlined, more strict regulations on games like Coin Master may take effect in the future. Currently, there is a draft Youth Protection Act that would, among other things, enforce stricter age ratings on games and extend labeling requirements for games platforms.

Specifically, age ratings would have to take into account "circumstances of the respective use of the medium which lie outside the effects of the content of the medium," which Hilgert says would include communication risks such as cyber-bullying or grooming, as well as loot boxes and "cost traps."
Depending on how the final law turns out, it could mean that Dragalia or other gacha games would be rated 15+ or 18+. And there's a common theme - as noted in my last post about this, there's a growing sentiment amongst lawmakers about seeing loot boxes as a consumer protection issue. It might not be a ban, but it could discourage a number of gacha game devs from entering the EU (and honestly, if this winds up limiting FIFA and other microtransaction-heavy / P2W games I'll count that as a W).

Shark, you utter madman. The world simply isn't ready for a combination so unfathomably powerful.
I just love that Chibi Saber has the perfect 1000 yard stare in that picture.
 
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Popular in the west...

IF he’s telling the truth, would it be a western IP (like Crash or LoL) or a Japanese IP that has a strong Western following...?
 

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This was from a page back, but could Dixie really qualify as an echo? I'm not super big into DK, but from what I hear from DK fans, she sounds like she'd have to be unique.
 

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This was from a page back, but could Dixie really qualify as an echo? I'm not super big into DK, but from what I hear from DK fans, she sounds like she'd have to be unique.
Most of her attacks can be reused from Diddy, the only moves that'd really need to be different are the 2 moves or so involving Diddy's tail and up b. Obviously unique would be better but she can work as an echo just fine
 

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Popular in the west...

IF he’s telling the truth, would it be a western IP (like Crash or LoL) or a Japanese IP that has a strong Western following...?
I can think of one Japanese that's main following is Western that's also New. It probably would have to be Western IP. Probably not Crash since Many People are expecting him

If it is LoL than perhaps we just got are first real 4chan leak since Ken Leak.

This was from a page back, but could Dixie really qualify as an echo? I'm not super big into DK, but from what I hear from DK fans, she sounds like she'd have to be unique.
If you want Dixie to use more of her Hair (and not just for UP B Recovery), she would have to be a Semi-Clone at least. Though honestly, If Spirits are any indication, I Imagine Dixie, if she did become playable, would use the Considered Tag-Team gimmick that Diddy/Dixie were supposed to have in Brawl, but it would be Dixie/Kiddy Kong instead.
 

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To note:


They announced the Partner Showcase that showed off SMT5 on July 19th around 9pm PST, which was a Sunday.
Well, I guess they are a japanese-based company. Just thought they'd try to time it for the west as well.

what 'kind' of direct are people expecting? a general, a mini? a smash direct?
 
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This was from a page back, but could Dixie really qualify as an echo? I'm not super big into DK, but from what I hear from DK fans, she sounds like she'd have to be unique.
Yes. Echoes can have a few different moves. Having a new Up B alone wouldn't make her a regular clone(as her skeleton is actually pretty much like Diddy's and DK's, which makes it very easy to retool DK's Up B to make her hair work. Even if she wasn't an Echo, that's one of the many ways to easily make it work, as they have very clone bodyframes). She can literally have reanimated moves with few stat changes too.

It doesn't mean she'd be an Echo or is best represented that way, but it can easily be done. She's extremely similar to Diddy in most of her skills too. Basically, she's easy via a Chrom-style difference.
 

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Well, I guess they are a japanese-based company. Just thought they'd try to time it for the west as well.

what 'kind' of direct are people expecting? a general a mini? a smash direct?
If this is real, which I REALLY doubt:

A Twitter post saying "Tune in at X time for a Mr.Sakurai Presents CP7!"

And then the following day CP7 via a "Mr.Sakurai Presents"
 
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Ok now what about Japanese IPs that are popular in the west? Perhaps even more so than their home country?
 

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If this is real, which I REALLY doubt:

A Twitter post saying "Tune in at X time for a Mr.Sakurai Presents CP7!"

And then the following day CP7 via a "Mr.Sakurai Presents"
So literally a smash character direct huh, ok :p
I mean, I'm up for it. would be cool to have a bigger direct, but it's smash i want most.
 

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I honestly hate when they pull the "Not expected" card.


*****, not expected to who exactly? The general population? The hardcore speculators? It's such a none answer.



Also, they say Pokemon is "Soon" but Smash is Imminent. I dunno about you, but to me, imminent means very, VERY soon, as in, 24 hours soon. Forgive my skepticism if we get no news tonight.
 

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Ok now what about Japanese IPs that are popular in the west? Perhaps even more so than their home country?
The only New Franchise Japanese I.P I could think of (New as in no representation at all) is No More Heroes, but Travis is expected by people. plus No More Heroes is more niche in general gaming space i would say, though is more popular in Nintendo circles
 
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While we're discussing undiscussed Western reps...

Geralt of Rivia.

Western character. Hit it huge with Wild Hunt. Unexpected because of book origins. He'll probably get dismissed because of the last point, but hey, if we're supposed to expect the unexpected...

And besides, the leak's most likely fake anyways, so eh.
Change my mind: Geralt is basically an honorary gaming character at this point and would be an objectively gnarly addition to Smash.
 

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I think because Geralt is more known for the games than the books, and because the games are so good in the eyes of the Public, that I would say he's more of a video game character despite his origins

In terms of Licensing, that's the weird part. I thought CD Projeckt Red bought the full license from the book owner, but there still might be some ownership sharing though. at the least, It would be Much Easier to get Geralt than someone like Goku for example
 

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I think because Geralt is more known for the games than the books, and because the games are so good in the eyes of the Public, that I would say he's more of a video game character despite his origins

In terms of Licensing, that's the weird part. I thought CD Projeckt Red bought the full license from the book owner, but there still might be some ownership sharing though. at the least, It would be Much Easier to get Geralt than someone like Goku for example
Geralt was able to guest-star in both Soulcalibur VI and Monster Hunter World, so I imagine licensing him for Smash probably wouldn't be too difficult.
 

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I honestly hate when they pull the "Not expected" card.


*****, not expected to who exactly? The general population? The hardcore speculators? It's such a none answer.



Also, they say Pokemon is "Soon" but Smash is Imminent. I dunno about you, but to me, imminent means very, VERY soon, as in, 24 hours soon. Forgive my skepticism if we get no news tonight.
It's the non-commital approach that irks me the most personally. Because that just means that the leaker's going to - most of the time - go: "oh if I turn out wrong I can ever so slightly nudge the goal posts or claim something kinda related to that".

So yeah, if stuff doesn't hardcore move in this leak's favor, I'm pressing X to Doubt.

Ok now what about Japanese IPs that are popular in the west? Perhaps even more so than their home country?
The primary one I can think of is Monster Hunter, although I am not sure if that's assuredly a frontrunner because it's in a strange spot.
 

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I think because Geralt is more known for the games than the books, and because the games are so good in the eyes of the Public, that I would say he's more of a video game character despite his origins

In terms of Licensing, that's the weird part. I thought CD Projeckt Red bought the full license from the book owner, but there still might be some ownership sharing though. at the least, It would be Much Easier to get Geralt than someone like Goku for example
Depends on if "No non-videogame characters" is a matter of legal licensing rights or if it's a design philosophy. If it's the latter than really no matter what you'd do, Geralt is a book character first and the videogames are adaptations of said books. It's open and shut. If it's the former then well... we've seen weirder crossovers:

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So yeah, I think it's a matter of game philosophy and not because of difficult rights management that we haven't had non-videogame characters. In which case, of course, Geralt doesn't seem likely in my eyes, being an "honorary" videogame character or not.
 
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Depends on if "No non-videogame characters" is a matter of legal licensing rights or if it's a design philosophy. If it's the latter than really no matter what you'd do Geralt is a book character first and the videogames are adaptations of said books. It's open and shut. If it's the former then well... we've seen weirder crossovers:

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So yeah, I think it's a matter of game philosophy and not because of difficult rights management that we haven't had non-videogame characters. In which case, of course, Geralt doesn't seem likely in my eyes, being an "honorary" videogame character or not.
I don't know, it could be both. I would say characters that are more known for media outside of games might be harder to license on average, If you've ever been in MK11 Speculation and you've seen the issues surrounding Ash William being in, there's all the problems with not only having to get the likeness. but also what version of the character you're allowed, when you could release the character because usually Companies like their character to be released sometime before or after a new movie comes out. there's more rules you have to work around on average with characters not originating in games

Plus Unlike other games, Smash has so far brought back guests used in past games (with Ultimate being the climax of that idea). Typically in any other game Guests don't return unless it's a character owned by the company also (Like Ryu in Dead or Alive). they usually are a one time deal

Game characters I feel on average don't have as many hiccups in Licensing as Non-Video Game characters. because there are still video game characters people want to see in Smash, there's no need to go with Something like Star wars or Marvel in Smash yet. Plus just using characters that occupy the medium you're working in is probably easier on average from a Familiar standpoint.
 
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