Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[CannonStreak]

If the LGBTQ+ community makes you uncomfortable, then you're a bigot.

Wasn't a developer making a bad joke from this? I apologize if I am wrong.

Don't call me that! That was uncalled for! I am not a bigot! I never even said it made me feel uncomfortable! I was referring to those who may be LGBTQ, not myself.

 

[Will]

It’s not really appropriate.

You wanna choose your next words carefully before you start sounding like a bigot, chief.

Let's change topics before this gets out of hand.

Huh? The only thing out of hand is you being so needy to not talk about people being gay or bi

 

[Schnee117]

Not me, but likely some others. I think it is best if we drop this discussion. It isn’t going anywhere.

It was going fine until you came in concern trolling.

 

[PeridotGX]

good thing we didn’t ask you then

So we’ve established the LGBT+ people in Smash already, but what newcomers would add to that? Obviously Edelgard would be really nice but she’s so from such a controversial series we don’t really discuss it, right? But yeah, who else can we think of?

Frisk from Undertale is non-binary. They're not happening (thank you Sans mii), but they're a solid option.

Can't really think of anything else.

 

[SharkLord]

Another good reason for Elma. Admittedly, her true form is that of a quite literally white alien woman with blue crystal hair (which is probably the coolest things about her true form's design, if you ask me), but her mimeosome form is what pretty much everyone always primarily associates her with, so she'd definitely count.

Personally, I just assumed that Elma's human disguise was based off of multiple different humans, which is why she has traits from various different ethnic groups (Blue eyes, white hair, dark skin, etc) that make it hard to pin her down to a specific ethnicity.ISPOILER]

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Based on the RTC of characters who had highest ratings.

If these were the five characters. How satisfied would you be?

Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Professor Layton, Rex, and Ryu Hayabusa.

 

[CannonStreak]

It was going fine until you came in concern trolling.

I was just saying! And I wasn't really doing that! Geez!

You wanna choose your next words carefully before you start sounding like a bigot, chief.


Huh? The only thing out of hand is you being so needy to not talk about people being gay or bi

Again, I am not being one. This is why we should rather be avoiding this.

 

[Monue]

Ike's gay don't @ me.

Yoshi's gay, confirmed.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I think we could add Hero to the list of LGBT characters because with IX S the Marriage mechanic was expanded to include Erik and Sylvando and it isn't explicit like with Jade and Serena but you vow to be life partners and you live in the same house that only has one bed.


Tracer from Overwatch comes to mind and pretty much all Granblue Fantasy characters are Bi

I dunno if the Hero from DQ IX is one of Hero’s alts in Smash though. And yeah, Tracer is a big one.

EDIT: Birdo would be rad, though I dunno how great the rep is there

 

[SharkLord]

Ike's gay don't @ me.

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Yoshi's gay, confirmed.

Well, he does lay eggs despite supposedly being a guy. Maybe Yoshis are just genetically capable of asexual reproduction.

I dunno if the Hero from DQ IX is one of Hero’s alts in Smash though. And yeah, Tracer is a big one

Erik and Sylvando are from XI, so I think he meant them. Seeing as Eleven's the default costume, I'd say we can count Hero.

 

[cashregister9]

I dunno if the Hero from DQ IX is one of Hero’s alts in Smash though. And yeah, Tracer is a big one

Shoot there is a typo it meant XI the default alt

 

[3BitSaurus]

Based on the RTC of characters who had highest ratings.

If these were the five characters. How satisfied would you be?

Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Professor Layton, Ryu Hayabusa, and Rex.

Crash is on my most wanted list, so that's cool.

Pretty much neutral-to-positive on the rest. Counting Min Min, I'd rate my satisfaction around... dunno, 70 to 80%. Solid Fighters Pass all around.

 

[PeridotGX]

Ike's gay don't @ me.

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Yoshi's gay, confirmed.

Since when? Yoshi's male and is in a relationship with Birdo, so unless they started dating before the latter transitioned than he's straight.

(that reminds me that Birdo works)

 

[Will]

I think we could add Hero to the list of LGBT characters because with IX S the Marriage mechanic was expanded to include Erik and Sylvando and it isn't explicit like with Jade and Serena but you vow to be life partners and you live in the same house that only has one bed.

You can also "marry" your grandpa and his special scene is looking at a porn mag together.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't call me that! That was uncalled for! I am not a bigot! I never even said it made me feel uncomfortable! I was referring to those who may be LGBTQ, not myself.

How would that make LGBTQ+ people uncomfortable? If there are bigots present, then they should be banned.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Let's change topics before this gets out of hand. Let's say your most wanted gets in, but you can't play the game and/or series from which they originated until you've played that character for a week.

It would kind of suck because Smash ultimate does tend to get pretty boring after the hype around the character wears off but at least I'd be able to play as Sgt. Cortez in Super Smash Bros Ultimate!

Yeah! Time to Split!

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Based on the RTC of characters who had highest ratings.

If these were the five characters. How satisfied would you be?

Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Professor Layton, Rex, and Ryu Hayabusa.

This would actually be a really nice pass! Don’t care for the usual suspects of speculation but Professor Layton would be incredibly hype to me personally, and Lara Croft would be a Cloud-like ”video-game-surpassing” choice

 

[CannonStreak]

How would that make LGBTQ+ people uncomfortable? If there are bigots present, then they should be banned.

It's not that I don't want to talk about this. It is the risk that something bad could happen from all this, such as people getting defensive so much, like you, to an extent, maybe, and others are doing.

Why do you want to talk about this, anyway?

 

[cashregister9]

Based on the RTC of characters who had highest ratings.

If these were the five characters. How satisfied would you be?

Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Professor Layton, Rex, and Ryu Hayabusa.

Honestly I would be pretty neutral

I love Crash Bandicoot, I'm a big fan of Rex, I like Layton but I prefer Phoenix, I have no Opinion on Hayabusa, and I would prefer other Square characters to Lara croft but she techincally counts as Eidos

You can also "marry" your grandpa and his special scene is looking at a porn mag together.

Oh yeah I forgot about that... Big Yikes on my end. At least Rab's isn't romantic

 

[cosmicB]

Everyone seems to be missing the very obvious candidate, and from Nintendo themselves. Birdo, who very well may be the first canonically trans character in gaming. The intended portrayal may not have been very positive during her inception, but I think it's clear at this point that there's nothing hateful about her modern incarnation.

Frisk from Undertale is non-binary. They're not happening (thank you Sans mii), but they're a solid option.

Can't really think of anything else.

Frisk is ambiguous gender, not non-binary. Feel free to correct me if Toby said otherwise, but they're supposed to be a stand-in for the player, meaning they can be male, female, nb, or whatever, but they don't have a canonical gender which isn't the same as nb.

 

[Monue]

Well, he does lay eggs despite supposedly being a guy. Maybe Yoshis are just genetically capable of asexual reproduction.

Erik and Sylvando are from XI, so I think he meant them. Seeing as Eleven's the default costume, I'd say we can count Hero.

Could be!

Since when? Yoshi's male and is in a relationship with Birdo, so unless they started dating before the latter transitioned than he's straight.

(that reminds me that Birdo works)

It's Google confirmed! Google wouldn't lie.

But really, I'm all for new LGBTQ+ and minority representation in Smash! Keep em coming! Tracer's a potential one!

 

[Calamitas]

Let's change topics before this gets out of hand. Let's say your most wanted gets in, but you can't play the game and/or series from which they originated until you've played that character for a week.

Idk man, it's still pretty civil outside of you and SonicSmasher1 insisting that the topic is inappropriate and needs to be changed.

Don't call me that! That was uncalled for! I am not a bigot! I never even said it made me feel uncomfortable! I was referring to those who may be LGBTQ, not myself.

Right-o, just one word of advice: You acting all flustered about this and insisting that the subject may make some people uncomfortable? Not the best look.

Based on the RTC of characters who had highest ratings.

If these were the five characters. How satisfied would you be?

Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Professor Layton, Rex, and Ryu Hayabusa.

Meh, meh, neat, bad, meh.

Why do you want to talk about this, anyway?

'Cause LGBTQ+ people exist and representation matters.

 

[Will]

It's not that I don't want to talk about this. It is the risk that something bad could happen from all this, such as people getting defensive so much, like you, to an extent, maybe, and others are doing.

Bro, your sus alarms going off, I think you need to put some thought into these posts before someone misinterprets your words.

Why do you want to talk about this, anyway?

Dude just wanted to ask a question for clarification, literally the post Shiny made answers her reasons.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I want to know your opinion on MewtwoKing's and Salem's recent masterpiece of a speculation video then:

(Hoo boy that speculation video is... something.)

Also: GoodGrief741, Wunderwaft , you might be interested in what Zhuge shared:

Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake May Be the Wake Up Call the Indian Games Industry Needs https://t.co/BwAkmfW57Z #PrinceofPersia #PrinceofPersiaRemake

— 0xSkeptic | Cringe Connoisseur (@RishiAlwani) September 10, 2020

An interesting article for sure. I don't know if India will actually get a foothold in game development and start developing AAA games but the Prince of Persia remake is definitely a start. There is potential in the industry there but the question is if this potential can be realized.

Also that Salem and M2K video is hilarious lol

 

[CannonStreak]

Idk man, it's still pretty civil outside of you and SonicSmasher1 insisting that the topic is inappropriate and needs to be changed.



Right-o, just one word of advice: You acting all flustered about this and insisting that the subject may make some people uncomfortable? Not the best look.



Meh, meh, neat, bad, meh.

I may have misspoken here, but it isn't because of some being uncomfortable, but that some people are being defensive and perhaps taking this way too seriously. The fact that we are already fighting, regardless of the reason, is not a good thing.

Plus, I was just giving a suggestion. What I thought should be done, not an order. I may be missing something on what I did, but what I did was taken way too literally than it should have.

 

[SirBillyBob]

LGBT+ is only a sensitive topic if you make it so. If you don't like talking about it, then either just don't or take a break from the thread. It's not that deep.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

Based on the RTC of characters who had highest ratings.

If these were the five characters. How satisfied would you be?

Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Professor Layton, Rex, and Ryu Hayabusa.

Actually pretty solid :D (I'm biased 'cause of Layton, Ryu and Rex but that's besides the point)

 

[CannonStreak]

Bro, your sus alarms going off, I think you need to put some thought into these posts before someone misinterprets your words.


Dude just wanted to ask a question for clarification, literally the post Shiny made answers her reasons.

Sus alarms? I don't even understand what that means. Why are you acting like I am doing something bad here? It's not bad to try and help out and try to avoid something that I thought would be problematic.

 

[SharkLord]

Based on the RTC of characters who had highest ratings.

If these were the five characters. How satisfied would you be?

Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Professor Layton, Rex, and Ryu Hayabusa.

Counting Min Min. I give it a seven. No strong feelings one way or the other, but I tend to be easy to please.

 

[Will]

some people are being defensive and perhaps taking this way too seriously.

Being defensive over asking why they wanna talk about LGBT characters? Taking LGBT characters seriously like we weren't already supposed to?

The only defensive person here is you, my man.

 

[Perkilator]

Based on the RTC of characters who had highest ratings.

If these were the five characters. How satisfied would you be?

Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Professor Layton, Rex, and Ryu Hayabusa.

8/10, pretty solid pass.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I want to know your opinion on MewtwoKing's and Salem's recent masterpiece of a speculation video then:

(Hoo boy that speculation video is... something.)

Real talk though: I kinda like that Ratchet and Clank were brought up, despite the fact that a Sony rep is not likely at all. At least it shows that people would be somewhat open to the idea, even Smash pros, I guess.

That said, it doesn't stray too far from series that are getting new games in the near future. But it's kinda fun regardless.

 

[Schnee117]

good thing we didn’t ask you then

So we’ve established the LGBT+ people in Smash already, but what newcomers would add to that? Obviously Edelgard would be really nice but she’s so from such a controversial series we don’t really discuss it, right? But yeah, who else can we think of?

Problem is a lot of potential LGBTQ+ characters are either side characters or more generic avatars.
Like Poison would be amazing but good luck getting in when loads of key characters like Chun-Li, Bison, Cammy and Guile aren't playable.
**** ****ing sucks for us.

It's not that I don't want to talk about this. It is the risk that something bad could happen from all this, such as people getting defensive so much, like you, to an extent, maybe, and others are doing.

Why do you want to talk about this, anyway?

People wouldn't be defensive if you weren't trying to shut the convo down, just saying.

 

[Will]

Sus alarms? I don't even understand what that means. Why are you acting like I am doing something bad here?

You're not. I understand you don't want to be painted as a villain here but man you're acting like one. Chill out.

and just google sus on urban dictionary

It's not bad to try and help out and try to avoid something that I thought would be problematic.

You thought talking about LGBT characters was "problematic"? Who are you saving us from by zipping our lips?

 

[Monue]

Actually looking into it - I have no idea of the veracity of this claim - but evidently this image is from an official Mario Kart website, and it translates to: "She appears to be Yoshi's girlfriend -- but is she really his boyfriend?!"

So it's a question of whether you believe Birdo has transitioned or identifies as male but presents femininely. I have no opinion on the matter, but it's certainly interesting either way!

 

[Deleted member]

It's not that I don't want to talk about this. It is the risk that something bad could happen from all this, such as people getting defensive so much, like you, to an extent, maybe, and others are doing.

Why do you want to talk about this, anyway?

I want to talk about this, because I was just curious with who was a part of the LGBTQ+ community in Smash.

There is nothing wrong with the question at all, and you are just being annoying. If you are so annoyed with the discussion, then leave.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Birdo is weird. Each game seems to refer to her differently: Sometimes male, sometimes female, and sometimes female with a question mark. This is probably due to a mixture of LGBTQ+ stuff being a no no in certain areas (and even more in the past) and because Birdo's design is so female coded that people just assume she's a girl anyway and would never know that she's trans otherwise.

Since when? Yoshi's male and is in a relationship with Birdo, so unless they started dating before the latter transitioned than he's straight.)

Wait, they're in a relationship? I knew they were often paired together but...

 

[Will]

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Actually looking into it - I have no idea of the veracity of this claim - but evidently this image is from an official Mario Kart website, and it translates to: "She appears to be Yoshi's girlfriend -- but is she really his boyfriend?!"

So it's a question of whether you believe Birdo has transitioned or identifies as male but presents femininely. I have no opinion on the matter, but it's certainly interesting either way!

When was the last time Birdo was in a game at all?

 

[Monue]

When was the last time Birdo was in a game at all?

I'm not sure! The site I was looking at said the image I posted was from 2003.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

When was the last time Birdo was in a game at all?

Mario Tennis Aces I believe