Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[RetrogamerMax]

Watch we get a Champions guessing game for the next fighter between Urbosa, Revati, Mipha and Darus.

That would actually drive me crazy even more so than the Arms rep guessing game.

 

[Powerman293]

It's random topic change time!

Nintendo Switch Online
Sept. 2018: NES games
Sept. 2019: SNES games
Sept. 2020: ???? pic.twitter.com/CNDL90WEF8

— Metroid Mike 64 (@MetroidMike64) September 9, 2020

Assuming they decide to add N64 Online (which has started to get rumored due to the 3D Collection being limited time), do you guys think they would add Smash 64?

I'm assuming they're doing Gameboy next since it's easier and wouldn't encroach on Mario 64 not being with an N64 online.

 

[cashregister9]

What would your reaction be in the hypothetical scenario where Mipha ended up as the next DLC character?

Only a select few Zelda characters wouldn't be boring to me tbh I like the champions but not enough to want one in smash. Not gonna lie a new Zelda character doesn't seem likely to me.

I'm pretty sure the only reason we are talking about one is because we are starved of content. Please Nintendo before we start talking about Byleth again.

EDIT: I feel like this is way to negative I didn't really want to be as negative as it appears to be

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It's random topic change time!

Nintendo Switch Online
Sept. 2018: NES games
Sept. 2019: SNES games
Sept. 2020: ???? pic.twitter.com/CNDL90WEF8

— Metroid Mike 64 (@MetroidMike64) September 9, 2020

Assuming they decide to add N64 Online (which has started to get rumored due to the 3D Collection being limited time), do you guys think they would add Smash 64?

That's really no question, of course they will add Smash 64 to N64 Online sometime after that drops. Smash is Nintendo's biggest cash cow and Smash has become one of Nintendo's biggest franchises.

 

[RileyXY1]

I'm assuming they're doing Gameboy next since it's easier and wouldn't encroach on Mario 64 not being with an N64 online.

Yeah. I think that it will be OG Game Boy and GBC next.

 

[SKX31]

?

When was the last time we talked about a Zelda anything before the announcement?

IIRC there were scattered bits and pieces of say one of the BOTW Champions, but they were nowhere near the limelight. At all.

It's random topic change time!

Nintendo Switch Online
Sept. 2018: NES games
Sept. 2019: SNES games
Sept. 2020: ???? pic.twitter.com/CNDL90WEF8

— Metroid Mike 64 (@MetroidMike64) September 9, 2020

Assuming they decide to add N64 Online (which has started to get rumored due to the 3D Collection being limited time), do you guys think they would add Smash 64?

In the N64 Online scenario: Probably - Smash 64 did pretty really well at the time (there's a reason why Melee was a GCN launch title) and 64 still has an active competitive scene that plays it. They could add an online to 64 down the line to further spice things up.

My main worry is that in this scenario they might remove several glitches that did help out in 64 - Double Jump Cancels primarily. Yoshi and Ness are the ones who primarily benefit from DJCs because that extends their combo game in the very combo-centric 64 (if one's a casual, one can just pick Kirby and spam Up Tilt whether in Classic or casual FFAs. It'll mostly work due to Up tilt's huge size in 64.).

Still thinking that GB Online is more likely, partly because it's much easier and there are several titles that could work pretty well on NSO. Also, quite a few people might want the ability to go back to Gen 1 Pokemon, with broken Psychic types and all.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I wonder what would happen if we get two characters in the same DLC pack

Obviously it's not gonna happen, just thinking

If we get a duo or trio character, then I want the Lost Vikings.

You'd only control one at a time and they are 1/3rds of a complete character so they'd pretty much be joke fighters.

You press down special to cycle between Vikings in order of Erik -> Baleog -> Olaf as shown in the picture above but unlike the Pokemon Trainer, the Vikings you don't have selected are still in the battle and can be hit by your opponents so have fun trying to keep all Vikings on the stage. The good thing is that you don't lose a stock until all the Vikings are KO'ed. Unique to the Vikings is that if you choose team battle and all three team mates pick the lost vikings, you will all select the same viking alternate costume and control each of the Vikings.

Erik the Swift is the only one that can jump and dash. He's the only one who can use dash attacks. His Neutral special allows him to dash into opponents to deal damage but if he does, he deals damage to himself and then goes into shield stun.

Baleog the Fierce is the only one who can attack properly. His jabs and tilts use his sword and his Neutral Special uses his bow which works like Link's but a little more powerful.

Olaf the Stout is the only one that can use the shield button. He cannot attack at all but pressing his Neutral Special allows him to change the position of his shield from in front of him to above him. when he holds his shield up, it acts like a platform for fighters to jump on and while in the air allows him to glide around. Meanwhile holding his shield forward practically makes him invincible from the front.

Side special gathers your other Vikings towards your position and up special will gather all your vikings to jump straight up or something I don't know.

What would your reaction be in the hypothetical scenario where Mipha ended up as the next DLC character?

I kind of just expect Breath of the Wild Zelda to be a character and use all of the Champions abilities as each of her specials.

 

[N3ON]

I'd take any of the champions over another Link or Zelda.

 

[Perkilator]

I'd take any of the champions over another Link or Zelda.

Or maybe even the little egg-looking Guardian.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I'd take any of the champions over another Link or Zelda.

We are not getting BotW Zelda.

We are getting Toon Zelda instead!

 

[cashregister9]

I'd take any of the champions over another Link or Zelda.

Linkle technically doesn't count as another Link

 

[3BitSaurus]

Yeah, that's an accurate summary of how that would go. Or if I ever decided to add the Korean reactions to that too. Because... ooof. Where does one even begin? And that's beyond the usual suspects (like the trolls that'd suggest unpopular characters or ) :

You'd have a really large audience that's overall intensely familiar with LoL but not so much Smash / Nintendo at large. Smash especially: it's still rather niché in the country. So you'd have lots of people who have not much of a clue which LoL character would fit a Smash game to begin with. This is also an audience that would largely have Ultimate as their first Smash game. The only Smash game that's seen an official release there so far is 64, and that's on the ill-fated iQue. Any people familiar with Smash got the games via grey-market imports, primarily from Japan.

Then add to that the competitive players: The Chinese pro league (LPL) not only sends 4 teams to this year's World Championship, but it's one of the most popular streams in China period. The top LoL players are amongst the most famous young Chinese people too. Like Uzi, a now-retired carry player who lead his team (Royal Never Give Up, RNG) to multiple deep World Championship runs. His retirement was the biggest news story bar none there. Not kidding. They'd be asked to chime in on the guessing game, and casters / social media guys would remind people to vote for which they'd think would get in.

And oh, how many Chinese do watch the LoL World Championships? Especially when there's a Chinese team involved and deep in the bracket?

Up to 100 million Chinese watched the 2019 Final. And when 2 Chinese teams met each other in the 2018 Final, the claim was 200 million.

I don't care if the number turns out (somewhat) untrue in reality. The article involved has virals videos of university students in dormitories celebrating the 2019 win. Lots of them. Fact of the matter is: LoL is now such a huge deal in China that if a guessing game were to happen for Smash...

Take the exact same arguments people made here on Smashboards did during the ARMS guessing game. Now, imagine millions of people debating those very same topics (like Sakurai favorite, who Nintendo / Tencent would pick etc.). Possibly for months. With many of them knowing less about Smash than most here due to a relative lack of exposure. And also, the possible collective burnout.

Needless to say, the entire Chinese internet would explode if there was a LoL guessing game for Smash.

Honestly, if it wasn't for COVID, this year's Worlds was looking to be the biggest one to date in terms of attendance. Plus, it's happening in China.

People in western LoL forums seem relatively open to playing Smash and/or getting a Champion in... but a guessing game would probably have more viable characters (and thus, more attrition between fandoms) due to LoL not having a singular clear mascot/protagonist/most popular pick.

Then again, if Nintendo wanted Smash to gain ground in China and Korea, as much as it pains me to say, it would probably be a great way of driving discussion in these places.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Tbh, I'd rather not pay $6 for yet another variation of a triforce holder

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Real talk for a moment, would you guys be happy if I got into Smash?

 

[Idon]

Real talk for a moment, would you guys be happy if I got into Smash?

Okay that's enough smashboards for one day.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Okay that's enough smashboards for one day.

I'm gonna take that as a yes.

 

[3BitSaurus]

What would your reaction be in the hypothetical scenario where Mipha ended up as the next DLC character?

"Not the Zelda rep I wanted, but it's not another Triforce bearer and it's a decent character. Sold."

 

[PSIGuy]

do you guys think they're satisfied with the sales for FPV2 so far that they're in no rush for the next reveal? someone on era brought up the possibility

i doubt Min Min ALONE would drive sales, but it's not like I have actual sales data on me so

There was that post a mod made a while back (just before the Hyrule Warriors AoC announcement) saying a bunch of Japanese stores were returning their Fighter Pass 2 prepaid cards. They’re probably not flying off shelves. I’d be curious as to whether this leads to less sales overall though. Would an exciting announcement fix it? Or have they already lost momentum because people are more likely to buy what they want separately?

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I see a lot of people suggesting Shiek should/might be cut for Smash 6, but I find that idea ridiculous. I get Shiek hasn't really done anything since OoT, but Shiek is one of the more unique Zelda characters and to me, she's a Smash staple.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

There was that post a mod made a while back (just before the Hyrule Warriors AoC announcement) saying a bunch of Japanese stores were returning their Fighter Pass 2 prepaid cards. They’re probably not flying off shelves. I’d be curious as to whether this leads to less sales overall though. Would an exciting announcement fix it? Or have they already lost momentum because people are more likely to buy what they want separately?

Honestly, I think its partially due to Ultimate being an older game.

A lot of casual players will only support a game for so long.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Lukewarm take, there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting more Triforce bearers/variations of Link/Zelda/Ganon in Smash. The main issue is putting in Links/Link clones, and Shiek is unjustly lumped in with them to push the narrative of "Triforce users bad/unoriginal".

No one is going to dismiss Ravio/Tetra/Yuga from Smash on the basis of them just being Link/Zelda/Ganon clones. On relevance/moveset potential, sure, but not because they have triangles on their hands.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I know that the Driver/Blade dynamic has at least some degree of the combatants taking turns using the weapons, so at the very least Pyra and Mythra wouldn't be just sitting on the sidelines. I haven't actually played XC2, though, so I'm not entirely sure on the specifics. Is anyone able to explain that?

They have these affinity tether things that give you passive buffs (they move slower than you do so movement is discouraged), and they execute the super moves. That's it.

If Waifu Wars is what you want to prevent, then a Donkey Kong guessing game is the key.

shudders

Candy Kong vs. Tiny Kong vs. Dixie Kong.

You say this as if Twintelle vs Min Min wasn't any less of a waifu war then Urbosa vs Mipha would be.

I didn't see it at all really. It was more Spring Man vs. Min Min than anything.

 

[Cosmic77]

I'd be ecstatic with any of the Champions. We're long overdue for another Zelda character, and it'd amazing if we could finally shatter the "Triforce rule". That would open the door to a lot of other Zelda characters in future discussions.

I know a lot of people are indifferent to them, but I think they'd warm up to the idea. Playing as a Goron or a Zora in Smash would be a dream for a lot of longtime Zelda fans.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Yeah. I think that it will be OG Game Boy and GBC next.

To be honest I could see GB and GBC coming at the same time. I know they are différent generations, but they feel similar enough and it's not like og GB have that much game.

Linkle technically doesn't count as another Link

I unironically would be down for Linkle. I mean she wouldn't be my first choice for a Zelda rep but she's a cool character and she could be fun with her crossbow. And we could finally have some Hyrule warriors music.

 

[SKX31]

Tbh, I'd rather not pay $6 for yet another variation of a triforce holder

Hey, a Ganon moveset could be A) DLC, B) True to Zelda lore, and C) Absolutely disrespectful, thus true to Ganon's character. And deliciously evil / fun.

(Just don't bring up the island of Koridai to him. Or Gamelon. Or Tolemac. He still has nightmares about the time he got one-shot by a book. )

But anyhow, while I'd really like to see Ganon (or Ganondorf reworked a bit further) it'd be more refreshing to see Impa or another non-Triforce wielder.

There was that post a mod made a while back (just before the Hyrule Warriors AoC announcement) saying a bunch of Japanese stores were returning their Fighter Pass 2 prepaid cards. They’re probably not flying off shelves. I’d be curious as to whether this leads to less sales overall though. Would an exciting announcement fix it? Or have they already lost momentum because people are more likely to buy what they want separately?

It could, I'd argue that much - but the stores would also need reassurance from Nintendo that yes the FP2 characters are coming in a timely enough manner. Not "Oh yeah, FP7's coming in September, then radio silence for another 4 months". But instead, the stores want Nintendo to explicitedly assure them "FP7's coming in September, and we've got a tentative release day for FP8 in November / December / early January".

 

[Blankiturayman]

Lukewarm take, there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting more Triforce bearers/variations of Link/Zelda/Ganon in Smash. The main issue is putting in Links/Link clones, and Shiek is unjustly lumped in with them to push the narrative of "Triforce users bad/unoriginal".

No one is going to dismiss Ravio/Tetra/Yuga from Smash on the basis of them just being Link/Zelda/Ganon clones. On relevance/moveset potential, sure, but not because they have triangles on their hands.

Personally, I just want to see other Zelda characters, I think that's where the idea of not wanting one of the three comes from. There's many nice choices that aren't one of those. Skull Kid, Impa, Midna, Vaati, Ghirahim to name a few. Though since you mentioned, I wouldn't mind Beast Ganon, since it'd be pretty distinct from current Dorf, and is more pertaining to a certain set of Zelda games.

 

[KillerCage]

What would be the worst fighter to add in smash?

Spoiler: My Answer?

It's always going to be Sticker Star.

 

[N3ON]

Lukewarm take, there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting more Triforce bearers/variations of Link/Zelda/Ganon in Smash. The main issue is putting in Links/Link clones, and Shiek is unjustly lumped in with them to push the narrative of "Triforce users bad/unoriginal".

No one is going to dismiss Ravio/Tetra/Yuga from Smash on the basis of them just being Link/Zelda/Ganon clones. On relevance/moveset potential, sure, but not because they have triangles on their hands.

I just don't want more of the same character. We've already got that character. They can be unique, but I'd rather have a completely different character that's unique. You add Mask Link and he plays different and that's cool but I'd rather have a character that isn't Link. You add Tetra and that's fine but I'd rather have a character that isn't Zelda. The gameplay is part of it, but it's not the whole part.

The series has so much to offer, and so many interesting b-tier characters, so to me sticking to different versions of the main three isn't nearly as exciting or diverse as it could be.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

on a side note, more beta stuff leaked from Nintendo again, this time mostly AlphaDream stuff

 

[ZelDan]

Really the best answer to "worst character to add to Smash" would be something like Bubsy or a Raid: Shadow Legends character.

Something that almost no one gives a crap about, characterwise or franchisewise.

 

[SharkLord]

Hey, a Ganon moveset could be A) DLC, B) True to Zelda lore, and C) Absolutely disrespectful, thus true to Ganon's character. And deliciously evil / fun.

(Just don't bring up the island of Koridai to him. Or Gamelon. Or Tolemac. He still has nightmares about the time he got one-shot by a book. )

But anyhow, while I'd really like to see Ganon (or Ganondorf reworked a bit further) it'd be more refreshing to see Impa or another non-Triforce wielder.

For the sake of being true to the source material, Ganon will spontaneously combust upon contact with any of Robin's used-up tomes.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Really the best answer to "worst character to add to Smash" would be something like Bubsy or a Raid: Shadow Legends character.

Something that almost no one gives a crap about, characterwise or franchisewise.

The thing is, pretty much every discussed potential character in the sun has a supporter in some shape or form.

Pretty sure even bubsy has his own thread here.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

The thing is, pretty much every discussed potential character in the sun has a supporter.

Pretty sure even bubsy has his own thread here.

welp, time for me to make my own support thread SPONSORED BY RAID SHADOW LEGENDS, THE MOST AMBITIOUS MOBILE ROLE PLAYING GAME WITH SEVERAL COLLECTIBLE CHAMPIONS which is in turn sponsored by NordVPN

im not actually gonna this is joke

 

[Mushroomguy12]

The thing is, pretty much every discussed potential character in the sun has a supporter in some shape or form. Even Bubsy. Pretty sure he even has his own thread here.

Except for non video game characters cause they are literally banned from having support threads here.

 

[Deleted member]

Glad to see Baboom is still strong in here.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I kind of feel like The Legend of Zelda series will never get a new character unless a game lines up absolutely perfectly and is something Nintendo wants to have a lot of presence in Super Smash Bros., and also probably needs a huge fan outcry to get in.

Spoiler: Consider the Following

• Super Smash Bros. adds from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
• Super Smash Bros. Melee keeps this , and completes the Triforce with and . was a big part of 's character at the time so she gets in on those grounds. gets in as an easy clone, and because The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask was the newest 3D title out.
• Super Smash Bros. Brawl has The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess to work with. The former gets , as he is the protagonist, but the latter doesn't get a new character. Instead, the Triforce wielders get updated with their latest game. wasn't in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, but she stays since she's apart of 's character design.
• Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3Ds/Wii U makes barely any changes. There are no new characters, but more resembles his appearance in The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, doesn't look gross anymore, and gets a stabbed in the chest.
• Super Smash Bros. Ultimate now has the newest title to work with: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. The game doesn't really have any notable characters that Nintendo would want to push over the others, but it does have a new , and with and coming back, they took this opportunity to use 's new tools to make the character seem less like a copy and paste. Additionally, since The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild's version of wouldn't fit the character's current design, they decided to go with an older version of her instead. And since everyone was diversifying, went back to his iconic look from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

Instead of getting new characters like Medli, (Wolf Link &) Midna, or Tetra in Brawl, Impa or Girahim in 3Ds/Wii U, any of the Champions in Ultimate, or any of the major characters in the smaller titles that trickle in between Smash games, we just get different versions of Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf. The only different persona they've added was Sheik, and I'd be willing to be it was only because she was important to the current version of Zelda, and then an important part of Zelda's moveset identity, and then a series staple once transformations were no longer possible.
This leads me to believe that getting a completely new The Legend of Zelda character is going to be like pulling teeth; Why add a one-off character when you can just change how Link looks?

 

[Deleted member]

gets stabbed in the chest.

I mean, he does...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean, he does...

In The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, this gave him a scar (well not this particular stab, but you get what I mean). The scar wasn't present in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but it was added in the next game, which is what I was referring to there.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

For what it's worth, I'm super glad that they went with a greatest hits of the Zelda cast rather than try shoehorning in the style of the latest game. We got some decent representation of the 2D Zelda titles and Ganondorf doesn't look like a half-baked play-doh man anymore.

Plus I'd probably metaphorically stab someone if Sakurai had somehow managed to turn Calamity Ganon into a Captain Falcon clone.

 

[Deleted member]

In The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, this gave him a scar (well not this particular stab, but you get what I mean). The scar wasn't present in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but it was added in the next game, which is what I was referring to there.

Oooh, I get it. Nice.

coming back,

Toon Link was in Smash 4.