Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Nekoo]

Persona started as a spin off of SMT. Share the same monster mythology. But grew up to be it's own thing. The end.

If Nintendo and Sakurai want a SMT character they'll get it.

Jfc you guys make a debate about all and nothing when the answer can be a single sentence.

 

[Aetheri]

While I know next to nothing about SMT or Persona...I can say that same universe does not always equal same franchise. It all depends on how the IPs are handled as well as who's handling them.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

So I looked up what Shin Megami Tensei means and got "True rebirth/reincarnation of the goddess".

I'm kinda curious about an alternate universe where SMT got a localized series name over here like Mega Man/Rockman, Kid Icarus/Light Mythology: Palutena's Mirror and EarthBound/MOTHER got. Any suggestions?

 

[SKX31]

Yo, fam squad! I found some footage of the next DLC character in action! Check it out!

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Persona started as a spin off of SMT. Share the same monster mythology. But grew up to be it's own thing. The end.

If Nintendo and Sakurai want a SMT character they'll get it.

Jfc you guys make a debate about all and nothing when the answer can be a single sentence.

While I'm not too certain if Nintendo would want to double dip, could definetely see Sakurai considering or even asking for it. In any case, yeah I'm keeping an open mind on potential double dips personally in case Sakurai / Nintendo go for it.

Of course, wouldn't really count as double dipping since ATLUS JP don't see SMT and Persona as related really.

 

[Gribbo]

So I looked up what Shin Megami Tensei means and got "True rebirth/reincarnation of the goddess".

I'm kinda curious about an alternate universe where SMT got a localized series name over here like Mega Man/Rockman, Kid Icarus/Light Mythology: Palutena's Mirror and EarthBound/MOTHER got. Any suggestions?

If I recall it was originally going to be called Revelations: The Demon Slayer over here.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

If All-Star Mode were to be reworked, I want to be more like the old versions from previous games... with a twist: instead of a single long exhausting gauntlet of characters, they take a page from Street Fighter V's Arcade Mode and have you fight separate sets of characters with a theme based on each Smash game. Something like this...

• The Original All-Stars
• Melee All-Stars
• Brawl All-Stars
• Smash 4 All-Stars Vol. 1
• Smash 4 All-Stars Vol. 2
• Ultimate All-Stars

After all of the DLC launches you could have a Fighters Pass All-Stars with

 

[Guynamednelson]

If I recall it was originally going to be called Revelations: The Demon Slayer over here.

So that's where "Revelations: Persona" came from.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I guess we should just tell Geno fans to stop asking for him then, since Geno is from a spin-off Mario game and we already got Piranha Plant and Daisy (though she’s an echo fighter). They’re clearly being greedy.

Geno fans are always being greedy.

Why aren't you satisfied with that flawless Mii Costume that hasn't been ported to this game yet?! Gawd!

But but BUT, SMT and Persona aren't the same. Smash even says that Joker is a PERSONA rep. Not a MegaTen rep.

SMT is a MegaTen spinoff. Persona is a MegaTen spinoff. SMT characters and Persona characters are both MegaTen reps, regardless of what cute little picture Smash decides to place behind the character.

You say they are so that you can gatekeep which characters people can want.

Yes. Every argument made against every character ever is gatekeeping. Now that we all understand this, I'm sure nobody will ever argue against any character ever again.

 

[TwiceEXE]

Yes. Every argument made against every character ever is gatekeeping. Now that we all understand this, I'm sure nobody will ever argue against any character ever again.

There is a difference between calling people selfish for a wanting a character and arguing against a character.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I'm kinda curious about an alternate universe where SMT got a localized series name over here like Mega Man/Rockman, Kid Icarus/Light Mythology: Palutena's Mirror and EarthBound/MOTHER got. Any suggestions?

Most likely Digital Devil Story, as per the first two games in the series.

 

[Will]

Jfc you guys make a debate about all and nothing when the answer can be a single sentence.

First time?

DEX is just dancing around semantics, he does this literally all the time.

 

[Souless_shadow]

Yes. Every argument made against every character ever is gatekeeping. Now that we all understand this, I'm sure nobody will ever argue against any character ever again.

I didn't say that. I'm saying that you saying that Joker counts as a megaton rep rather than a persona rep, and saying people are greedy because they may want an SMT character, is gatekeeping. You can argue against a character, but saying people are greedy for wanting them is no bueno

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Yeah, there's definitely some effects of this already.

So how long till you get people giving the "The pandemic isnt an excuse to give us on news" escuse and act like butts?

 

[SNEKeater]

Remember when it was rumored/everyone assumed that Jack Frost would make an appearance in Joker's pack somehow?

Ha ha

Or should I say Hee Hoo?

I still think Jack Frost should have been added in some capacity. A Mii Costume would be cool.

I'm happy as long as MegaTen fans aren't being selfish jerks asking for another rep when they just got one a year ago.

????
Sorry but this is as dumb as saying people can't ask for another Square character for Pass 2 because we already got Hero

I guess I can't ask for Alucard anymore because we already got Simon/Richter in base roster.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Ninja Gaiden might be coming back, but it might be Xbox Exclusive

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This 4chan post goes into more detail of what these 3 links mean



https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/517909316



Pretty Exciting News Potentially.



As for what this means for Smash, I Don't Know. I will say if we got a Microsoft character, I would guess Ryu's Costume will come in that pack. I always felt it was weird no Koei content came with Byleth Pack.

Well, if true, then Xbox really is pulling all the stops with next gen exclusives. I kinda doubt that they'd go for third party exclusives though, that hasn't been their MO since the days of the 360.

Either way, Thursday will probably be interesting.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

 

[MooMew64]

So how long till you get people giving the "The pandemic isnt an excuse to give us on news" escuse and act like butts?

The situation is definitely worse than I thought for them. I'm hoping this will help people understand better, I'm definitely feeling like they deserve some understanding, this news drought is very much not their fault.

...Plus, it's not like there aren't any games at all, they've been able to get some stuff out. Anything's better than nothing.

 

[N3ON]

So how long till you get people giving the "The pandemic isnt an excuse to give us on news" escuse and act like butts?

In a vacuum I guess that makes sense, but it's being frustrated with Nintendo for being behind the industry standard. If all the other companies were as equally silent that'd be one thing, but they've been able to adapt and keep going. Microsoft, Sony, the other third-parties. Japanese, non-Japanese. Even the Pokemon Company seems to be mostly on top of things.

I'm not saying people should be jerks or harass each other or anyone else, but it's just being upset with Nintendo for once again having the fans lose out because the company is behind the curve.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

Don chan AND professor Layton, oh my heart

 

[Megadoomer]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

Platinum is there because the specific companies mentioned are ones that have characters in the game, and presumably, whoever made this was either unaware that Sega owned Bayonetta, or they just included Platinum because they make a lot of great games.

As for the list...

-Konami: I'm assuming that assist trophies (Bomberman, Alucard) don't qualify, so I'll go with Raiden - we need Metal Gear Rising music!
-Sega: I'm torn between Eggman and Kazuma Kiryu, so I'll split the difference - Kazuma Kiryu riding in the Eggmobile! (just kidding; if I was forced to pick one, I'm going with Eggman)
-Capcom: Dante
-Bandai-Namco: Agumon (it was Heihachi, but the Mii costume seems like a consolation prize)
-Square-Enix: Geno
-Platinum: 2B (if licensed games were allowed, I'd at least consider Optimus Prime or Korra)
-Microsoft: Conker (Master Chief would make more sense, but I'd be more interested to see what they could do with Conker)
-SNK: Geese Howard
-Most wanted highly requested character: not counting any of the above, Doomguy
-Most wanted unlikely character: not counting any of the above, Miriam from Bloodstained

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

????
Sorry but this is as dumb as saying people can't ask for another Square character for Pass 2 because we already got Hero

I guess I can't ask for Alucard anymore because we already got Simon/Richter in base roster.

Remind me what are the statuses of the moving goalposts when it comes to fanrules about 3rd parties. I think we're at "can't have more than one non-clone character from the same series", correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

In a vacuum I guess that makes sense, but it's being frustrated with Nintendo for being behind the industry standard. If all the other companies were as equally silent that'd be one thing, but they've been able to adapt and keep going. Microsoft, Sony, the other third-parties. Japanese, non-Japanese. Even the Pokemon Company seems to be mostly on top of things.



I'm not saying people should be jerks or harass each other or anyone else, but it's just being upset with Nintendo for once again having the fans lose out because the company is behind the curve.

They can be upset, just have the common sense to understand that the Pandemic is making it hard for Nintendo and that its way beyond their control is all Im saying

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

Konami: Bill Rizer I guess
Sega: Arle
Capcom: Phoenix
Bandai Namco: KOS-MOS
Square Enix: Neku
Platinum: ???
SNK: Kyo
Microsoft: Ori
Most wanted highly requested character: Crash
Most wanted unlikely character: Sgt. Cortez, shoutout to Evil Trapezium . I’ve not played a TimeSplitters before but kinda want to, those games seem humorous

 

[N3ON]

Ninja Gaiden might be coming back, but it might be Xbox Exclusive

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This 4chan post goes into more detail of what these 3 links mean



https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/517909316



Pretty Exciting News Potentially.



As for what this means for Smash, I Don't Know. I will say if we got a Microsoft character, I would guess Ryu's Costume will come in that pack. I always felt it was weird no Koei content came with Byleth Pack.

When Ninja Gaiden got a reboot like fifteen years ago it was also originally exclusive to the Xbox. This doesn't mean anything, and Ryu Hayabusa isn't somehow now a Microsoft character just because of an exclusive game any more than Joker, Snake, Cloud and other Ryu are Sony characters.

They can be upset, just have the common sense to understand that the Pandemic is making it hard for Nintendo and that its way beyond their control is all Im saying

That's fair.

 

[cashregister9]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

Konami - Raiden
SEGA - Sakura
Capcom - Amaterasu
Bandai Namco - Ryza
Square-Enix - Sora
Platinum - 2B
Microsoft - Steve
SNK - Rock Howard
Most Wanted Highly Requested - Crash Bandicoot
Most Wanted Extremely Unlikely - Estelle Bright

 

[Sari]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

Konami: Bomberman
Sega: Axel Stone
Capcom: Frank West
Namco: ???
Square Enix: Either Neku or Lara Croft
Platinum: 2B
Microsoft: Master Chief
SNK: Kyo
Highly-requested third party: Crash
Unlikely third party: Quote

 

[volbound1700]

My wanted characters to finish out the pass:

7. Geno
8. DoomGuy
9. Crash
10. Rayman
11. Masterchief

However, I am likely only to get 2 of this set . It is a shame as all of these characters (minus Geno) are gaming icons. Geno is a highly demanded character on here.

After the ones listed above, I am not too emotional. It would have been nice to see Bomberman upgraded. Sora is another great option but I think Square-Enix and Disney won't allow him. I wouldn't mind seeing Skull Kid, Dixie Kong, Impa, Waddle Dee, or some other 1st party from series that are under represented (notably a Legend of Zelda character that isn't Link, Ganon, or Zelda).

A couple of obscure characters that would have great movesets and be fun to play are Epic Mickey from the Epic Mickey series and Prince Fluff from Kirby's Epic Yard.

Another most wanted would be Tails although I am happy to just have the costume. I would love to have an upgrade to the Knuckles and Tails costume similar to Sans style as well as get a skin on Sonic for Shadow. That would be AMAZING. It also wouldn't take a character spot from anyone. Also custom victory themes for Mii Costumes would be great so I can do the Sonic theme in the victory screen.

 

[SNEKeater]

Remind me what are the statuses of the moving goalposts when it comes to fanrules about 3rd parties. I think we're at "can't have more than one non-clone character from the same series", correct me if I'm wrong.

Well I guess one of the 'fan rules' would be what you're saying, but obviously that doesn't stop people wanting to see their most wanted characters in the game.

 

[Will]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

I'd do the template but since it isn't transparent and is done kinda ****tily you've forced my hand with textposting.

Konami: Yugi Muto Seto Kaiba Raiden
SEGA: Kiryu
Capcom: Amingo
Bamco: Nightmare
Square: Crono
Platinum: Howard or Akira or whatever canonical name from Astral Chain is shoved down my throat
Microsoft: Master Chief
SNK: Haohmaru
Requested 3rd: Reimu? I don't know.
Unlikely 3rd: Reimu? Again? I don't know.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

Konami: Frogger
Sega: Segata Sanshiro
Capcom: Phoenix Wright
Bandai Namco: Chosen Undead
Square Enix: Sora
2B: 2B
Microsoft: Steve
SNK: Nakoruru
Requested Third Party: Crash
Unlikely Third Party: Farmer

 

[Will]

Unlikely Third Party: Farmer

The Dragon Ball rep that no one saw coming.

 

[SNEKeater]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

- Konami: Alucard
- Sega: Kiryu
- Capcom: Dante, followed by Phoenix Wright
- Bandai Namco: Heihachi/Dark Souls rep
- Square Enix: 2B, maybe another Final Fantasy character lol
- Microsoft: Master Chief
- SNK: Kyo
- Highly requested 3rd party: Crash
- Unlikely 3rd party: Sol Badguy

Not including Platinum here because in that case we could also add Rare or Atlus.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The Dragon Ball rep that no one saw coming.

One shot, and the match is over

 

[SKX31]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

Sooo...

Konami: Bomberman / Moai Head from Gradius.
Sega: Arle Nadja / Kazuma Kiryu
Capcom: Dante / Amaterasu
Namco: Siegfried or Nightmare / Yuri Lowell
Square Enix: Lara Croft / Adam Jensen
Platinum: 2B / Akira Howard
Microsoft: Master Chief / Steve
SNK: Kyo / Nakoruru
Highly-requested third party: Crash / Sora
Unlikely third party: Chell or a Dota 2 character / Story of Seasons' Farmer. Rocket League in a kinda close third / fourth.

(Don't personally count franchises like LoL or say Sol Badguy as unlikely, but that's just my definition of unlikely in this context. Would welcome those two still.)

 

[SirBillyBob]

A couple of obscure characters that would have great movesets and be fun to play are Epic Mickey from the Epic Mickey series and Prince Fluff from Kirby's Epic Yard.

My favorite Kirby game, such an underrated masterpiece.

 

[volbound1700]

I didn't do it by series. Let's give it a try:

Konami: Bomberman (although Frogger is a cool second option)
Sega: Tails (Frankly just upgrade Knuckles and Tails Mii customs and give us a Shadow alt for Sonic. No need for another character)
Capcom: I think we are good hear but I will go with Amaterasu or Phoenix Wright
Microsoft: MASTERCHIEF of course
NaughtyDog: Crash Bandicoot
Square-Enix: Sora or Geno... I would be fine with either
Bethesda: Doomguy
Ubisoft: Rayman
SNK: I didn't play a lot of SNK games so I don't know
Bandai Namco: Dig Dug
Nintendo: Dixie Kong, Prince Fluff, or Skull Kid (I would LOVE any of the 3)

Unlikely Third Party: Epic Mickey

I really feel like Bethesda and Ubisoft are long suffering companies that support Nintendo right now. Both need at least one character representative. Doomguy and Rayman fit that bill.

 

[SNEKeater]

I didn't do it by series. Let's give it a try:

Konami: Bomberman (although Frogger is a cool second option)
Sega: Tails (Frankly just upgrade Knuckles and Tails Mii customs and give us a Shadow alt for Sonic. No need for another character)
Capcom: I think we are good hear but I will go with Ameratsu (sp) or Phoenix Wright
Microsoft: MASTERCHIEF of course
NaughtyDog: Crash Bandicoot
Square-Enix: Sora or Geno... I would be fine with either
Bethesda: Doomguy
Ubisoft: Rayman
SNK: I didn't play a lot of SNK games so I don't know
Bandai Namco: Dig Dug
Nintendo: Dixie Kong, Prince Fluff, or Skull Kid (I would LOVE any of the 3)

Unlikely Third Party: Epic Mickey

I really feel like Bethesda and Ubisoft are long suffering companies that support Nintendo right now. Both need at least one character representative. Doomguy and Rayman fit that bill.

Crash isn't owned by Naughty Dog/Sony. Crash is from Activision.
Similar case for Sora, he's Disney.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

So, to change topic a bit, I just found this template online about most wanted fighters to each big third party (not sure why Platinum is there tho because they don't really have any ip to them but wathever). It would be fun if other use share it (or if you don't want to to the montage just reply through text).

Konami: Cormano (Sunset Riders)
Sega: Axel Stone (Streets of Rage)
Capcom: Frank West/Chuck Greene (Dead Rising)
Namco: Klonoa (Klonoa)
Square Enix: Ark (Terranigma)
Platinum: I don't know
SNK: Simea (Crystalis)
Microsoft: Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
Highly requested: Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
Unlikely pick: Sgt. Cort-

Most wanted unlikely character: Sgt. Cortez, shoutout to Evil Trapezium . I’ve not played a TimeSplitters before but kinda want to, those games seem humorous

Why, I am flattered. Thank you very much.

 

[volbound1700]

Crash isn't owned by Naughty Dog/Sony. Crash is from Activision.
Similar case for Sora, he's Disney.

Got you... thank you for the clarification on Crash. Sora is more Square-Enix than Disney but you are right about that one. I reference that in another post that I made just a few posts above the one you are responding to.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Another newcomer game eh?

Konami: Pyramid Head
Sega: Sakura Shinguji
Capcom: Leon Kennedy
Namco: Lloyd Irving/Velvet Crowe
Square Enix: 2B/Riesz
Microsoft: IDK
SNK: Tam-Tam(Samurai Shodown)
Koei-Tecmo: Ryu Hayabusa
Arc Sys: Sol Badguy
Level-5: Professor Layton
Highly Requested Third Party: Dante
Unlikely Third Party: Death(Darksiders)