Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Aetheri]

See...this is why transparency is important for Nintendo.

We get there's s pandemic going on but instead they said, "ah, no biggie things are all on schedule!"

"K then...where's the games?"

"uhhhh...about that"

 

[Swamp Sensei]

See...this is why transparency is important for Nintendo.

We get there's s pandemic going on but instead they said, "ah, no biggie things are all on schedule!"

"K then...where's the games?"

"uhhhh...about that"

It's possible that at the time of the first statement, it was true.

Things do change, though I'll admit that's me playing devil's advocate more than my actual beliefs.

 

[MarioDDR755]

I feel like maybe there's something to the theory that they did have a bit of a drought for 2020 already, and the pandemic has only exacerbated it.

It's better that they don't rush if they don't really have anything, anyway. It might seem a bit cruel to not just tell us they don't have anything, but it would kill any hope or hype that people have now if they did, which I assume is why they are keeping quiet.

Well... I'm sure they're going to muster up something for the Holidays but people do need to keep their expectations low, I think.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I'm bored. This would be the DLC lineup if I had it my way.

If you want to make your own here's the tweet to it

Here is our DLC Character Template, based on the #SmashUltimate Website!

Includes:
2 Variants, Customizable Text, 12 Slots, Customizable Background Colour, and Icon and Character Spaces!

PNG & PSD versions available

Check it out here:https://t.co/CzwGI55qTH pic.twitter.com/zL9HFk2VDY

— Templates For Smash 📝 (@Templates4Smash) July 15, 2020

 

[Speed Weed]

So Guys I was somewhere else in my head, and then I thought of some Sneaky Trick Nintendo/Sakurai might Pull

Imagine that the next 4 Characters are all Hype, the most Hype Characters, but then The Last character is someone no one is Expecting, but Sakurai has talked about being considered for Smash

I'm talking about Takumaru

Sakurai never added him in because he was Niche outside of Japan. However By Putting in 4 Hype Characters as the next characters, to bait people nto buying the full pass, and Putting in Takumaru last, Sakurai would accomplish his goal of Getting his name out there to the West. It's Smart, and very sneaky. Not to say Takumaru is bad, but...

i don't see this happening one bit, and i say this as someone who really, REALLY wants takamaru

 

[Aetheri]

It's possible that at the time of the first statement, it was true.

Things do change, though I'll admit that's me playing devil's advocate more than my actual beliefs.

Definitely is possible and not saying it can't change over time...still doesn't excuse the lack of transparency though.

Just take Prime 4 as an example....imagine if Nintendo never told us about the game to begin with. Nothing else changed, its still in development Ridley and Dark Samus both are still in Smash, but we have no idea if Nintendo's making a Metroid game on the Switch. Heck as disappointing as the news was for the delay, it was met with positivity, BECAUSE of the transparency.

There's no doubt that Nintendo needs to do better with their pr and marketing. Especially in a time like this when everyone's already super stressed and frustrated. Of course I'm not saying they should tell us everything that happens, nor am I excusing the behaviour of a bunch of these Ninty fans, but that's just the general understanding.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

bruh all i wanted from this mini was NMH3 news

I wanted KH news, I didnt get it but I got SMT news so im happy

 

[Deleted member]

I wanted KH news, I didnt get it but I got SMT news so im happy

KH news? Like what, the 3 KH games on Switch or something?

I kinda feel like they would have done that back when they announced the remixes coming to Xbox. Switch would probably be good with KH III too, but that ship may have sailed. Not gonna say its impossible; just feel like we would have seen it already if it was planned.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

KH news? Like what, the 3 KH games on Switch or something?

I kinda feel like they would have done that back when they announced the remixes coming to Xbox. Switch would probably be good with KH III too, but that ship may have sailed. Not gonna say its impossible; just feel like we would have seen it already if it was planned.

The new KH game thats coming on switch is what I wanted some info on. I know its unlikely but The Story So Far on switch would be amazing

 

[MooMew64]

My bad if this was talked about already, not gonna dig back through to see

(Full article here :https://t.co/7bz73drc5R)

Ye it’s official, Nintnedo has backpedaled that Statement from a few weeks back saying their rest of 2020 lineup wouldn’t be affected.

Sooooo....expect the weird 1st party game silence to continue & maybe like 1-2 games from them 💀 pic.twitter.com/FTjSLJB2wQ

— GamesCage - Hype Guy (@GamesCage_) July 21, 2020

So..............yeah. Would have been nice if we didn't just hear the opposite like 2-3 weeks ago

Explains a lot, honestly. Can't fault them either, it's entirely outside of their control.

I'd definitely be prepared for the Fighters Pass to be affected by this. Odds are Nintendo's last half of the year is gonna be super rough.

 

[SneakyLink]

Tonight there should be a new spirit/tourney event announced. What sort of thing could happen this time? In the meantime:

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The Ring Fit Adventure and New Horizons spirits should be returning to the regular rotation soon.

 

[SKX31]

Every time I see this list, I'm reminded that the main criticism SourceGaming and Jon GameXPlain had for Tales getting into Smash was the because Tales isn't "iconic" enough to be playable; meanwhile they chimed in how they considered characters like Aiai, Travis, and Klonoa are decently likely.
View attachment 279542Needless to say they weren't right then and they aren't right now.

Source is a Famitsu poll of the most anticipated games. Picture is from Gematsu.

Huh, didn't expect Genshin Impact to be there at all. Getting more votes than SMT V too.

For those unaware, it's a BotW-like game that was accused of being a clone (incl. by me). But honestly, I've softened my view on it - I was a bit rash there myself, and it seems like they've worked on differentiating the game further. It has shown its more unique traits: GI has a different quest system, its setting and characters are different, and combat works differently (by instant character switching etc.).

Gameplay walkthrough of the beta here. It does have gacha in it, so people are aware of that before buying. (miHoYo is also the company behind Honkai Impact 3rd.)

(Small edit: It's also coming to the Switch, yes.)

Explains a lot, honestly. Can't fault them either, it's entirely outside of their control.

I'd definitely be prepared for the Fighters Pass to be affected by this. Odds are Nintendo's last half of the year is gonna be super rough.

Yeah, best to be prepared for that possibility. While I don't think they'd change the character release order (not now when they're developing FP7 and might've laid down the most basic groundwork for FP8) it's entirely possible that a few or even a lot of small delays add up quickly. For example: One developer's family member / friend might have the virus? That's a major cause for concern and stress even if the symptoms aren't bad, and that might have further consequences on development.

Hope they come out of this as unscathed as possible.

 

[Flyboy]

Tonight there should be a new spirit/tourney event announced. What sort of thing could happen this time? In the meantime:

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The Ring Fit Adventure and New Horizons spirits should be returning to the regular rotation soon.

Interesting to note that whenever they add spirits back into the rotation it's usually to prepare for another wave, either with a fighter or as an event. Last time we got Min Min and Octopath. Wonder if this is hinting at an event tonight or at a reveal to come within the next few weeks?

 

[volbound1700]

Actually I think I understand why things are weird for Nintendo right now, and the pandemic definitely doesn't do them any favors.

http://dromble.com/2015/01/21/forme...os-culture-third-party-support-and-much-more/



So basically their management is all out of whack.

This sums up some of the issues that I stated earlier. Nintendo is also very Japanese centric in game designs overall versus Sony who functions more at a global level and appeals to global audiences.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Kind of sad that Nintendo was that much affected by Covid-19 but I'm not really surprise. At this point I'm expecting the holiday to be Mario remaster, No more heroes 3 and maybe one more wii u port (probably Pikmin 3). I'm not even expecting Bravely default 2 this year anymore considering that we didn't have any info on it for a long time and Square is already known to report a lot their games.


Right now I'm pretty hopeful that 2021 will be a way better year, especially if they release their 2020 planned games that year (like the leaked Metroid 2d). But the future is so incertain right now that maybe plans will change again and we'll wait longer.

 

[clearandsweet]

My bad if this was talked about already, not gonna dig back through to see

There was a problem fetching the tweet

So..............yeah. Would have been nice if we didn't just hear the opposite like 2-3 weeks ago

Actually I think I understand why things are weird for Nintendo right now, and the pandemic definitely doesn't do them any favors.

http://dromble.com/2015/01/21/forme...os-culture-third-party-support-and-much-more/



So basically their management is all out of whack.

I think you add these two together and throw in the bit about Kellos and other leakers surprised that the direct yesterday was a small as it was/saying there's more to come and you start to get a pretty accurate picture of what happened.

Someone at the top in Kyoto got scared about the understandably unknown future delaying games and said to delay/break it up. So they put all the 1st party stuff on the back burner, then the marketing people decided to work with what they had and do this gradual mini-direct over time thing with 2nd and 3rd party games. Likely everyone involved knew that it would be received poorly, but their hands are kind of tied.

It's just a bad call by whoever made it though. Just tell me what's being worked on and is far along enough to show/not be canceled/supposed to be shown at E3, then just say "we don't really have a release date for this right now because everyone is working from home and it's affecting development." WE TOTALLY GET IT.

You'd think they'd learn by how universally accepted Metroid Prime 4's delay announcement was, but here we are.

 

[volbound1700]

I think you add these two together and throw in the bit about Kellos and other leakers surprised that the direct yesterday was a small as it was/saying there's more to come and you start to get a pretty accurate picture of what happened.

Someone at the top in Kyoto got scared about the understandably unknown future delaying games and said to delay/break it up. So they put all the 1st party stuff on the back burner, then the marketing people decided to work with what they had and do this gradual mini-direct over time thing with 2nd and 3rd party games. Likely everyone involved knew that it would be received poorly, but their hands are kind of tied.

It's just a bad call by whoever made it though. Just tell me what's being worked on and is far along enough to show/not be canceled/supposed to be shown at E3, then just say "we don't really have a release date for this right now because everyone is working from home and it's affecting development." WE TOTALLY GET IT.

You'd think they'd learn by how universally accepted Metroid Prime 4's delay announcement was, but here we are.

Even with that logic, where was the Smash DLC character announcement? You can't tell me Nintendo wouldn't have one of them ready for a potential E3 release? This is what is most concerning. Smash DLC character announcement would have likely changed public opinion of the direct.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

man, I hope everything gets better for Nintendo, for real

 

[MooMew64]

man, I hope everything gets better for Nintendo, for real

I hope so too. Not for the sake of the games, but for the people working there. I can't imagine how hard it must be for 'em right now.

 

[SNEKeater]

Sakurai/Nintendo don't decide what franchise an Atlus game belongs to.

Persona is a part of MegaTen whether Sakurai acknowledges that or not.

It's not. One is an official spinoff series. The other is a spiritual successor made by a different company.

Never said Persona isn't part of MegaTen. It is. But MegaTen is a larger thing, and Shin Megami Tensei is part of that universe or franchise, just as Persona.
That means a SMT rep could happen without problem, because Joker only reps Persona, and his presence doesn't close the doors to Demi-fiend, Flynn or SMT V main character.

That's why I said Persona music isn't listed under "MegaTen series", because if that was the case that would mean Joker is considered as a rep for the whole Megami Tensei series, which includes more than Persona and SMT, and which by the way would have been a bad move unless they pulled off the SNK treatment and give us a ton of music or cameos from other MegaTen games beyond Persona.

TL:DR Joker is a Persona rep, not a MegaTen rep, if that was the case it would probably kill any chances for a SMT character in pass 2.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Never said Persona isn't part of MegaTen. It is. But MegaTen is a larger thing, and Shin Megami Tensei is part of that universe or franchise, just as Persona.
That means a SMT rep could happen without problem, because Joker only reps Persona, and his presence doesn't close the doors to Demi-fiend, Flynn or SMT V main character.

That's why I said Persona music isn't listed under "MegaTen series", because if that was the case that would mean Joker is considered as a rep for the whole Megami Tensei series, which includes more than Persona and SMT, and which by the way would have been a bad move unless they pulled off the SNK treatment and give us a ton of music or cameos from other MegaTen games beyond Persona.

TL:DR Joker is a Persona rep, not a MegaTen rep, if that was the case it would probably kill any chances for a SMT character in pass 2.

Well, it wouldn't kill any chance of a SMT rep, but it would not help their chances either.

 

[MooMew64]

Persona isn't even listed as being affiliated with SMT within Smash, nor does it come with any SMT content. Heck, Atlus doesn't even put the SMT tag on Persona releases anymore, the series is just referred to as "Persona" now.

Not sure there's really much debate to be had about this when the games' own creators don't even tie the series to its original source anymore.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

The only thing Persona has in common with mainline SMT nowadays is the non-“personal/unique” Personas, they’re run of the mill demons in mainline games

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Remember when it was rumored/everyone assumed that Jack Frost would make an appearance in Joker's pack somehow?

Ha ha

Or should I say Hee Hoo?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Remember those rumors/predictions that Jack Frost would make an appearance in Joker's pack somehow?

Ha ha

Or should I say Hee Hoo?

Was that the same one with Steve, Doomguy and Hayabusa as FP3-5? I feel like it was

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yeesh, not even a month and already you guys are impatient for FP7...

 

[SpectreJordan]

Yeesh, not even a month and already you guys are impatient for FP7...

It’s been even longer since it was announced though. Most people pinned Min-Min down quickly.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Min Min also... got an unfortunate reception. And I don’t mean salt like with Byleth, but worse.

you know... EVO, big names in the FGC etc being exposed... all the attention was on that and while necessary it was also upsetting to see ppl you admired outed as scum

 

[Digital Hazard]

GUYS

#SaberForSmash

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Min Min also... got an unfortunate reception. And I don’t mean salt like with Byleth, but worse.

Really? I recalled people were excited for her. I thought regarding those Spring Man and Twintelle fans being just a minority.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Really? I recalled people were excited for her. I thought regarding those Spring Man and Twintelle fans being just a minority.

You must have missed the next paragraph about the callouts in the FGC

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Really? I recalled people were excited for her. I thought regarding those Spring Man and Twintelle fans being just a minority.

I remeber seeing people call nintendo racist because they didnt add a minority. and by minority, they meant black because apprently, being chinese means you arent a minority

tldr: people were salty we got min min and not Twin

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Really? I recalled people were excited for her. I thought regarding those Spring Man and Twintelle fans being just a minority.

The announcement of it being an ARMS character, the long wait before reveal, and a generally well done presentation did a lot to temper any would be antipathy against her. In terms of the optics I'd day everything the Byleth news got wrong, the Min Min reveal largely got right.

 

[Digital Hazard]

Min Min also... got an unfortunate reception. And I don’t mean salt like with Byleth, but worse.

you know... EVO, big names in the FGC etc being exposed... all the attention was on that and while necessary it was also upsetting to see ppl you admired outed as scum

Look, I'm one of the 10 people in the planet who was hyped for Byleth, and even then I ask you: What do you mean worse than them?

Just because some people unfortunately turned to be trash doesn't means the entire community suddenly died.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

You must have missed the next paragraph about the callouts in the FGC

I remeber seeing people call nintendo racist because they didnt add a minority. and by minority, they meant black because apprently, being chinese means you arent a minority

tldr: people were salty we got min min and not Twin

Oh yeah...I was trying to forget all of that apparently.

 

[osby]

Persona isn't even listed as being affiliated with SMT within Smash, nor does it come with any SMT content. Heck, Atlus doesn't even put the SMT tag on Persona releases anymore, the series is just referred to as "Persona" now.

Not sure there's really much debate to be had about this when the games' own creators don't even tie the series to its original source anymore.

Reminder that Persona games never carried "Shin Megami Tensei" on their titles in Japan. That was just a marketing stunt by ATLUS USA and never had anything to do with what actual creators thought about the two series.

As far as developers are concerned, Persona and SMT were never tied together in the first place.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Persona and Shin Megami Tensei are, to me, seemingly like how Super Mario is different from something like WarioWare or Yoshi. There are plenty of similarities between the two, but they're different in their own ways.

Also, don't associate Min Min with the gross people in the community. They're not even related to one another.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Yeesh, not even a month and already you guys are impatient for FP7...

It kind of sucks we're not getting anymore new modes because Joker and Banjo & Kazooie had Stage builder and Home-run contest arrive with them to give people something to tide them over.

It would just be nice to get some more additions to Stage builder along with the new character.

 

[Perkilator]

It kind of sucks we're not getting anymore new modes because Joker and Banjo & Kazooie had Stage builder and Home-run contest arrive with them to give people something to tide them over.

It would just be nice to get some more additions to Stage builder along with the new character.

And maybe even an ACTUAL boss rush?

And, if you REALLY wanna stretch, make one of the stage bosses an actual boss.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

And maybe even an ACTUAL boss rush?

And, if you REALLY wanna stretch, make one of the stage bosses an actual boss.

My vote goes to metal face