Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[slrigeigdew]

Thwomp over Flies & Hand? Trash.

I know right? Can't believe they went for the troll character over the fan favorite yet again. I'm still holding out for Fighter Pass 3. #Flies&Hand4Smash

I wonder how that would work. Would the stage expand that way when it happened? Would it cause the stage to start scrolling in that direction? Would you be able to lose a stock off the sides?

Buddy, I wish I could tell you. I'm an ideas guy, not a game designer. If I had to hazard a guess: a short animation would play when a fighter gets sent through a wall, meanwhile the stage in the background morphs (perhaps literally) and both the fighters' positions are reset to neutral. The stage movement and the animation would play out at the same time. In other words, basically how it already works in Strive:

How this works with multiple players or how you would take stocks is beyond me tho. This is just the best I could come up with...

 

[Ben Holt]

About Doom slayer, Bethesda pretty much openly said that they wanted him in but discussion with Nintendo lead nowhere. https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/...r-wants-doom-slayer-in-smash-nintendo-doesnt/

This interview date from January 2020, so way after fighter pass 2 was chose. I could still se Doom slayer as a Mii costume becasue I think (although we don't really know officially, I'm just speculating), that Mii costume are decided later into development.

NDA. Banjo and Terry were also denied.

 

[Will]

Did the Hero trailer always have their voices?
Why do I remember them being silent in their reveal

huh, interesting... maybe they uploaded an updated version? i too remember the heroes not talking

why add JUST the voices tho

Nah, they always had the voices. I talked about Arusu sounding like Gohan during the summer.

 

[Guynamednelson]

NDA. Banjo and Terry were also denied.

I wish Kirkhope never said anything so that Smash fans didn't think every no was secretly a yes.

 

[andree123]

huh, interesting... maybe they uploaded an updated version? i too remember the heroes not talking

They did TALKED....

But only in the Japanese version.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

I legit dont remember the Hero voice being this loud and noticeable in their reveal wtf

This is some Berenstein Bear ****

 

[Ben Holt]

I wish Kirkhope never said anything so that Smash fans didn't think every no was secretly a yes.

Never said it was a secret confirmation. I just said that a denial is not definitive given that NDAs exist.
Imagine this scenario:
"Is Rayman in Smash?"
"No comment."
"Interesting."

 

[♕Pretty Roger♕]

When companies are in NDAs they usually derail the question or are ambiguos about it, but they don't say "It's not us, it's the other company's fault" and potentially provoke some fans to harass said company, it makes no sense as a fake answer in any way. Why would you falsely blame your business partner?

 

[Will]

I legit dont remember the Hero voice being this loud and noticeable in their reveal wtf

This is some Berenstein Bear ****

Go back to your alternate universe, paradox.

 

[PSIGuy]

I don't see anything from Fighter Pass 1 speculation affecting FP2. They would've decided on more fighters after the sales of FP1 were strong so indvidual response to specific characters wouldn't have been a factor. Banjo's reception means just as little as Byleth's.

This is also why Fire Emblem character 9 still has a chance.

 

[Will]

This is also why Fire Emblem character 9 still has a chance.

Leif finally comes back after being robbed in 64 and Melee.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I don't see anything from Fighter Pass 1 speculation affecting FP2. They would've decided on more fighters after the sales of FP1 were strong so indvidual response to specific characters wouldn't have been a factor. Banjo's reception means just as little as Byleth's.

This is also why Fire Emblem character 9 still has a chance.

We have enough Fire Emblem characters as is we don't need anymore for Ultimate. A series that does need more characters is Xenoblade which only has one rep at the moment wtf.

 

[Idon]

Leif finally comes back after being robbed in 64 and Melee.

Anime swordsman?

No, no, no...

Anime everything.

 

[osby]

Anime swordsman?

No, no, no...

Anime everything.
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I hope he mainly uses funds to fight.

His Final Smash is bribing your opponents into throwing the game.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

You know what anime swordsman we really need in Smash? Sasuke Uchiha.

I won't lie while I am joking he would be a cool character in Smash though with all of his justu techniques, kekkei genkai, and Sharingan powers.

 

[Guynamednelson]

We have enough Fire Emblem characters as is we don't need anymore for Ultimate. A series that does need more characters is Xenoblade which only has one rep at the moment wtf.

He isn't saying he wants more FE.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

He isn't saying he wants more FE.

I know that, he was just stating how likely he thought it was we were going to get another. But honestly it would be overkill though.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

You know what anime swordsman we really need in Smash? Sasuke Uchiha.

Nah, if Smash Ultimate is getting an anime ninja, there's one better choice... besides, I always thought the roster could use another Sonic...

Spoiler: spoiler-ed for size

 

[Will]

Anime swordsman?

No, no, no...

Anime everything.
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Too many swordsmen? Grab a ****ing horse.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Nah, if Smash Ultimate is getting an anime ninja, there's one better choice... besides, I always thought the roster could use another Sonic...

Spoiler: spoiler-ed for size

I'm sorry but who is this exactly?

 

[Will]

I'm sorry but who is this exactly?

speed o sound sonic from one punch man

 

[RetrogamerMax]

speed o sound sonic from one punch man

I never watched that series so I wouldn't know.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Never said it was a secret confirmation. I just said that a denial is not definitive given that NDAs exist.
Imagine this scenario:
"Is Rayman in Smash?"
"No comment."
"Interesting."

In what planet would you interpret "No comment" as a denial? That's also clearly not what happened with Doomguy.

 

[Idon]

I never watched that series so I wouldn't know.

Yeah... we figured...

 

[Trevenant]

NDA. Banjo and Terry were also denied.

Not at all the case when you factor in how NDA's of this sort work where they try to derail discussion or be ambiguous and how Kirkhope could have just said he won't be DLC but just said that he wouldn't hold his breath which also left some wiggle room. Terry was never really deconfirmed with a flat out no either as he said something along the lines of 'yes please do it Sakurai-san'. Flat out nos or going into the life story of it should be considered confirmations as they have never actually became DLC or fighters in general when stuff like that happens.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not at all the case when you factor in how NDA's of this sort work where they try to derail discussion or be ambiguous and how Kirkhope could have just said he won't be DLC but just said that he wouldn't hold his breath which also left some wiggle room. Terry was never really deconfirmed with a flat out no either as he said something along the lines of 'yes please do it Sakurai-san'. Flat out nos or going into the life story of it should be considered confirmations as they have never actually became DLC or fighters in general when stuff like that happens.

Matt Mercer said he hadn't been contacted for Smash shortly before Robin's trailer with freshly recorded Chrom lines, meaning he effectively lied

 

[Trevenant]

Matt Mercer said he hadn't been contacted for Smash shortly before Robin's trailer with freshly recorded Chrom lines, meaning he effectively lied

I wasn't aware, thanks for pointing that out. In that case going in depth is probably the only real killer for a deconfirmation. Deconfirmations do usually still most of the time mean the character is out.

 

[Lionfranky]

Never said it was a secret confirmation. I just said that a denial is not definitive given that NDAs exist.
Imagine this scenario:
"Is Rayman in Smash?"
"No comment."
"Interesting."

Doom developers said way more than that. Way too specific.
For every ambigous statement, there has always been hard denial actually hitting the mark.
Frank O'Conor on Chief (I used to say he was lying, but he wasn't) and Kojima on Snake during Smash 4

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Matt Mercer said he hadn't been contacted for Smash shortly before Robin's trailer with freshly recorded Chrom lines, meaning he effectively lied

If by “shortly before Robin’s trailer” you mean “an entire year before Robin’s trailer” then sure.

Seriously though, it’s reasonable to believe he was contacted during the 1 year gap between his interview and the trailer reveal.

 

[Ben Holt]

Doom developers said way more than that. Way too specific.
For every ambigous statement, there has always been hard denial actually hitting the mark.
Frank O'Conor on Chief (I used to say he was lying, but he wasn't) and Kojima on Snake during Smash 4

The problem with outright denials is the existence of this thing called lying.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If by “shortly before Robin’s trailer” you mean “an entire year before Robin’s trailer” then sure.

Seriously though, it’s reasonable to believe he was contacted during the 1 year gap between his interview and the trailer reveal.

In what world is June 2014 an entire year before Robin's trailer

 

[3BitSaurus]

The problem with outright denials is the existence of this thing called lying.

"This thing called lying" only happened once out of over a dozen denials we've seen since the Smash 4 days. So it's best to not assume devs are lying, since it's an exception and not the rule.

 

[Trevenant]

The problem with outright denials is the existence of this thing called lying.

But how often can you say that a developer, who wrote a biography on why they weren't approached and whatnot, then gets a character in smash? To my knowledge that has never happened unless I'm again, missing something.

 

[Mamboo07]

With ARMS coming to Smash, I can't wait to be F-Smashed across the entire stage itself.

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

The thing that concerns me about Fire Emblem's reception by the smash community (purely generalising, of course) is that no-one has a problem with Dark Samus literally having no moves from her source material and purely having different animations, due to their limited development (which I understand :3) but having Fire Emblem characters at all, regardless of their originality, is an unspeakable crime. I understand that it can be annoying to have similar characters, but I personally haven't seen anyone comment on Dark Samus having suffered for being an echo. Furthermore, I think it's a shame that the ultimate crossover originally intended for Nintendo fans gets so much hate when Nintendo characters are added. Yes, this is a rant, for which I apologise, but wasn't it amazing when we were all excited for Ridley, regardless of whether or not we were fans of the character, his series, or even the memes? I... kinda miss that, because when DLC started rolling around, loads more people seemed openly disappointed, even angry, with some of the picks... I feel like it kinda hurts. Is this just me?

 

[Will]

no-one has a problem with Dark Samus literally having no moves from her source material

type up "dark samus" in the search bar, throw my name in the list, and i will guarantee you 80% of those is me having a problem

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The thing that concerns me about Fire Emblem's reception by the smash community (purely generalising, of course) is that no-one has a problem with Dark Samus literally having no moves from her source material and purely having different animations, due to their limited development (which I understand :3) but having Fire Emblem characters at all, regardless of their originality, is an unspeakable crime. I understand that it can be annoying to have similar characters, but I personally haven't seen anyone comment on Dark Samus having suffered for being an echo. Furthermore, I think it's a shame that the ultimate crossover originally intended for Nintendo fans gets so much hate when Nintendo characters are added. Yes, this is a rant, for which I apologise, but wasn't it amazing when we were all excited for Ridley, regardless of whether or not we were fans of the character, his series, or even the memes? I... kinda miss that, because when DLC started rolling around, loads more people seemed openly disappointed, even angry, with some of the picks... I feel like it kinda hurts. Is this just me?

The reason people don't complain about Dark Samus being a Echo is because she was a popular requested character from a underrepresented series. She was also seen as very unlikely due to Prime 3 most likely being her last Metroid game. Fans are more than happy enough she made it in at all as a Echo.

 

[Trevenant]

The thing that concerns me about Fire Emblem's reception by the smash community (purely generalising, of course) is that no-one has a problem with Dark Samus literally having no moves from her source material and purely having different animations, due to their limited development (which I understand :3) but having Fire Emblem characters at all, regardless of their originality, is an unspeakable crime. I understand that it can be annoying to have similar characters, but I personally haven't seen anyone comment on Dark Samus having suffered for being an echo. Furthermore, I think it's a shame that the ultimate crossover originally intended for Nintendo fans gets so much hate when Nintendo characters are added. Yes, this is a rant, for which I apologise, but wasn't it amazing when we were all excited for Ridley, regardless of whether or not we were fans of the character, his series, or even the memes? I... kinda miss that, because when DLC started rolling around, loads more people seemed openly disappointed, even angry, with some of the picks... I feel like it kinda hurts. Is this just me?

Somehow that post was entered 3 times I dunno why. And I wouldn't really say I hurt when Nintendo adds a character who gets hated or anything but I definitely would prefer if there was no hate at all as hate isn't only exclusive to Nintendo characters.

 

[Will]

people be saying dark samus didn't have any other choice and then go ape**** when someone tells them dixie kong is in the same boat

 

[Mamboo07]

people be saying dark samus didn't have any other choice and then go ape**** when someone tells them dixie kong is in the same boat

This is accurate.