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Icedragonadam

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"Sora is not foreseen in SSBU."

Because he's already in


I ain't believing anything until I see it from a source. Until I get word that Sabi's source has disconfirmed Sora, I'll still believe.
The same thing applies to Travis and Master Chief too by this logic TBH. If you're going to use an NDA argument for one character, you gotta apply it to every other character who received the exact 'No' statement as well. So you don't run into a selective bias approach.
 
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This is going to be a loooooooonnnnngggg waiting period.

And FP5's reveal reaction is going to be like...

 

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One more week. Guess we can pass the time by playing as Link in Mario Maker.
 

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By this point, I can only foresee salt.

Lots and lots of salt.
I can see a lot of Salt, angry threads of message boards regarding whoever #5 is, "Literally who" comments, and people thinking the Pass is a ripoff.

And it'll be a trainwreck you can't stop watching, no matter who it is.
 

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Call me crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the deconfirmed characters was falsely deconfirmed.
If I HAD to guess, I'd say Crash Bandicoot, since he's the most likely that wasn't dual-deconfirmed by both Sabi and Verge.
But if all these characters are truly deconfirmed, I got nothing.
Seriously, nothing.
 

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Call me crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the deconfirmed characters was falsely deconfirmed.
If I HAD to guess, I'd say Crash Bandicoot, since he's the most likely that wasn't dual-deconfirmed by both Sabi and Verge.
But if all these characters are truly deconfirmed, I got nothing.
Seriously, nothing.
The fifth character will either be a falsely deconfirmed character like Crash or Dante or a character everyone deemed impossible, "too niche", or "Inappropriate for the TGA's"

I wanna say it may be the former, though.
 

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Honestly, with the hype sorrounding FP5, it doesn't matter who gets the spot as people will get mad anyway. Too many fanbases are involved and each and everyone of them has some nasty people in it.

I mentioned it already but Nintendo should really announce the second pass to build up some hype again and to alleviate some of the anger that is ensured to happen. Then again, it doesn't really matter if a lot of manchildren spew their nonsense on multiple message boards for a few days.
 

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No matter who Fighter 5 REALLY ends up being, can we all agree that there is going to whole lot of tears (good and bad) and a WHOLE LOT OF SALT!

It's going to be a beautiful TRAINWRECK and if we do get it at the TGA's which I have no doubt about at this point, I'm going to have popcorn to watch it all! I'm just along for Sakurai's WILD RIDE and I don't want to get off anytime soon.
 
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I can see a lot of Salt, angry threads of message boards regarding whoever #5 is, "Literally who" comments, and people thinking the Pass is a ripoff.

And it'll be a trainwreck you can't stop watching, no matter who it is.
Yup. It doesn't even matter if the character left an obvious impact in the video game community, if it's not in their niche, they won't recognize them.

The salt is real with this one #StanJacksonWang
I'm just here for the ride, personally. I'm pretty contempt having Pac-Man, Shulk, Inkling, and Joker. Sure, Rex or BWD would be amazing, but I've become pretty accepting of the whole pass being 3rd party (I really don't know how people are still arguing otherwise. Did they not remeber what Reggie said last year?).

If I had any personal hopes, It would probably be Reimu; but even then, it's more a minor preference. I'm still hype for whoever challenger 5 ends up being. Heck, even Geno, who I still find the popularity of to be outright bizarre, would be friggin' awesome (even though that's a RIP for now).
 

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From the Phoenix thread:

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Sabi still doesn't take a side on this debate, but re-states that they have not personally heard from their source that FP5 isn't Capcom.
 

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People have too much narrow tunnel vision here and thinking only a select few characters are possible to be character #5 because of the TGAs, dismissing others, the deconfirmations making guessing hard, and people forgetting how Sakurai has been mostly using the pass to bring out some slightly less mainstream characters or old figures back into the public eye and bringing in new audiences.

It's why I keep an open mind on the character possibilities because I know for a fact this character will probably be someone people didn't expect, whether because they got written off for being "Niche and not fitting for TGA's" or because they previously got deconfirmed.

At least with how Smash Ultimates hype cycle has been, people get blown up in their face every time they think they got a handle on who is in.
 

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The fifth character will either be a falsely deconfirmed character like Crash or Dante or a character everyone deemed impossible, "too niche", or "Inappropriate for the TGA's"

I wanna say it may be the former, though.
The few "viable" ones even left are Dragonborn, Reimu, Frogger?, Bill Rizer, Jonesy, Sora, or Kratos.

I may be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure Vergeben deconfirmed Capcom as a whole.
But if I'm misremembering, we could have Phoenix Wright, Amaterasu, or Monster Hunter.

And if third parties CAN double-dip in the same Fighter's Pass, then Square-Enix has Lara Croft, 2B, and Crono, and Microsoft has Steve and Master Chief. Sega has... Aiai from Super Monkey Ball?
And if Fighter 5 is another SNK character, I will pour vinegar into my belly button and drink it with a straw. I am that confident it ain't SNK.
 

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For some reason I really think Metroid or Zelda is taking the stage here. It was beautiful Smash showed up once (not for me, but for most people), but unless Nintendo has nothing else to show or really needs Smash Bros. sales to pick up around Christmas (after Black Friday and Cyber Monday have passed?), I really don't think they'll be showing Smash content off two years in a row.

Now, January, on the other hand, is basically naked and has nothing happening (off the top of my head). I could see Smash showing up there.

Sega has... Aiai from Super Monkey Ball?
Not even just Arle at this point, basically any Sonic character or Kiryu could show up and make a huge splash. If Atlus is double dipping, say hello to Demi fiend.
 

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I may be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure Vergeben deconfirmed Capcom as a whole.
Someone on the Phoenix Wright support thread did claim that Vergeben deconfirmed Capcom in a GameFAQs post... but also that the post in question was deleted, followed by others pointing out that it could've been someone else posing as Vergeben with a fake account.
 
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I really don't think character 5 is going to be as big of a reveal as the earlier fighters pass characters. I truly believe Nintendo frontloaded the hype with this pass to sell as many passes as possible as soon as possible in order to get a better idea of whether or not to go ahead with more DLC post pass sooner rather than later. So with that in mind all of these disconfirmations make at least a little more sense. I also think there is a very good chance FP5 is 1st party for the same reasons.
 

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Not even just Arle at this point, basically any Sonic character or Kiryu could show up and make a huge splash. If Atlus is double dipping, say hello to Demi fiend.
Oops. Forgot about Arle. She's very forgettable.
And Demi-fiend is SMT, so I'm not sure if they'd consider that a "new world" with Person being represented.
But it's borderline enough that I'll take it.
 

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No matter who Fighter 5 REALLY ends up being, can we all agree that there is going to whole lot of tears (good and bad) and a WHOLE LOT OF SALT!

It's going to be a beautiful TRAINWRECK and if we do get it at the TGA's which I have no doubt about at this point, I'm going to have popcorn to watch it all! I'm just along for Sakurai's WILD RIDE and I don't want to get off anytime soon.
Apart of me wishes we didn't get the season 2 confirmation just to see how the community reacts, it would of made hoes mad look like a meditation club.
 

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Yeah, I've already put Capcom on my Deconfirm list albeit with an asterisk (it's also not so much a list as it's a sticky note listing characters because I didn't want to put it in a LibreOffice doc)
 

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What the **** I went to bed a bit earlier than usual when the cult **** goes down and Fatman is Lyingman and Capcom is kinda sorta out but not really? Can I get a recap?
I'm not going to get into the Fatman stuff aside from saying that he's no longer in the insider discord.

As for Capcom, a source in that discord (who is not the NoA source that has been doing many of the disconformations) revealed that Capcom is out. They have been credible in the past with Banjo, Terry, and Link's Awakening all being attributed to them. But apparently they haven't been very involved with FP5 stuff? Sabi hasn't gone on the record to report the leak so some people are taking that as a sign it may not be legit.

I for one am pretty confident in trusting the leak until someone directly contradicts it.
 
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I'm not going to get into the Fatman stuff aside from saying that he's no longer in the insider discord.

As for Capcom, a source in that discord (who is not the NoA source that has been doing many of the disconformations) revealed that Capcom is out. They have been credible in the past with Banjo, Terry, and Link's Awakening all being attributed to them. But apparently they haven't been very involved with FP5 stuff? Sabi hasn't gone on the record to report the leak so some people are taking that as a sign it may not be legit.

I for one am pretty confident in trusting the leak until someone directly contradicts it.
This is the person who said it's not Crash or Tracer, if I recall.
 

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I'm not going to get into the Fatman stuff aside from saying that he's no longer in the insider discord.

As for Capcom, a source in that discord (who is not the NoA source that has been doing many of the disconformations) revealed that Capcom is out. They have been credible in the past with Banjo, Terry, and Link's Awakening all being attributed to them. But apparently they haven't been very involved with FP5 stuff? Sabi hasn't gone on the record to report the leak so some people are taking that as a sign it may not be legit.

I for one am pretty confident in trusting the leak until someone directly contradicts it.
So Capcom being out is likely but not fully uncovered
 

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What the **** I went to bed a bit earlier than usual when the cult **** goes down and Fatman is Lyingman and Capcom is kinda sorta out but not really? Can I get a recap?
Fatman isn't a lier, he is just person just like all of us speculating. Though he was in Sabi's private discord and heard some inside information from Sabi's NoA, he isn't a leaker or insider. He is just a awesome dude with awesome theories.
 

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So if we eliminate the characters and companies that the leakers put forth, and we eliminate any Nintendo series (because I strongly believe the first Fighters Pass is all 3rd-party), and we eliminate any series already represented in Ultimate (because I strongly believe each fighter in the first FP is there to introduce a new world to Smash), what do we have left?

I'd like to see a comprehensive list of potential series.
 
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So if we eliminate the characters and companies that the leakers put forth, and we eliminate any Nintendo series (because I strongly believe the first Fighters Pass is all 3rd-party), and we eliminate any series already represented in Ultimate (because I strongly believe each fighter in the first FP is there to introduce a new world to Smash), what do we have left?

I'd like to see a comprehensive list of potential series.
That's still going to be hundreds of series. There are a lot of games in the world.

So Capcom being out is likely but not fully uncovered
Yeah, it's like every other leak.
 
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So if we eliminate the characters and companies that the leakers put forth, and we eliminate any Nintendo series (because I strongly believe the first Fighters Pass is all 3rd-party), and we eliminate any series already represented in Ultimate (because I strongly believe each fighter in the first FP is there to introduce a new world to Smash), what do we have left?

I'd like to see a comprehensive list of potential series.
Well Nintendo could get another character, so can Konami. I totally wouldn't rule out Konami getting DLC in this game as we all know how greedy/selfish they're with their IPs. The Contra guys I would say are the most likely characters to be the next Konami character.
 

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So if we eliminate the characters and companies that the leakers put forth, and we eliminate any Nintendo series (because I strongly believe the first Fighters Pass is all 3rd-party), and we eliminate any series already represented in Ultimate (because I strongly believe each fighter in the first FP is there to introduce a new world to Smash), what do we have left?

I'd like to see a comprehensive list of potential series.
The Sky's the limit, really.
 

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Fatman isn't a lier, he is just person just like all of us speculating. Though he was in Sabi's private discord and heard some inside information from Sabi's NoA, he isn't a leaker or insider. He is just a awesome dude with awesome theories.
He uses the fact he was there as evidence he's legit despite him, you know, being kicked out from there. Nothing awesome about a guy going "GUYS IT'S THIS CHARACTER NO WAIT IT'S ONE OF THESE HERE'S A PICTURE OF A BIRD AND I'M SURE THIS IS THE ONE!"
 

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Well Nintendo could get another character, so can Konami. I totally wouldn't rule out Konami getting DLC in this game as we all know how greedy/selfish they're with their IPs. The Contra guys I would say are the most likely characters to be the next Konami character.
Anything could happen. But I really do beleive we will not be getting a character who has their series already represented in Smash. Each DLC fighter in this first fighters pass seems to have the intention of introducing a whole world of content not found in Smash Bros already. It comes with a stage, music, and spirits. It's a speculation, but that seem like what Sakurai wants to do. So I assume that fighter 5 will follow suit.

That's still going to be hundreds of series. There are a lot of games in the world.
Well I think the character needs to have some sort of notability. They can't be a complete nobody or no one will buy the DLC. They don't have to be super famous either.
 
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He uses the fact he was there as evidence he's legit despite him, you know, being kicked out from there. Nothing awesome about a guy going "GUYS IT'S THIS CHARACTER NO WAIT IT'S ONE OF THESE HERE'S A PICTURE OF A BIRD AND I'M SURE THIS IS THE ONE!"
Sabi's NoA source was the one that first show the bird photo to the discord, and then Fatman was given permission to show it to the Geno thread afterwards. He isn't in the discord anymore but while he was in there, he could only be allowed to say certain things to us and was putting his theories into the things he was allow to share with us.

Anything could happen. But I really do beleive we will not be getting a character who has their series already represented in Smash. Each DLC fighter in this first fighters pass seems to have the intention of introducing a whole world of content not found in Smash Bros already. It comes with a stage, music, and spirits. It's a speculation, but that seem like what Sakurai wants to do. So I assume that fighter 5 will follow suit.
Porky and Sylux don't have Spirits so there is a VERY slim possibility they could happen. Spirit promotions could happen as well with characters like Bandana Dee, Elma, Rex & Pyra, Dixie Kong.
 
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Fatman isn't a lier, he is just person just like all of us speculating. Though he was in Sabi's private discord and heard some inside information from Sabi's NoA, he isn't a leaker or insider. He is just a awesome dude with awesome theories.
He has one theory and that's "here's how Geno is likely!".
 

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Sabi's NoA source was the one that first show the bird photo to the discord, and then Fatman was given permission to show it to the Geno thread afterwards. He isn't in the discord anymore but while he was in there, he could only be allowed to say certain things to us and was putting his theories into the things he was allow to share with us.
He never had permission from what I saw which is one of the reasons he got kicked out. Riling up Geno fans by pretending to have info isn't a theory, it's manipulation. He also spurred on the idea that grinch was legit and every insider was lying and that only Papagenos is trustworthy. I don't give a **** about Geno but his fans shouldn't be manipulated by him pretending he actually knows anything and using the fact he used to be in Sabi's discord as reason to pay attention to him. I even saw what happened on in the Geno thread and he lied about being kicked out until he was caught, he's lying
 

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Well Nintendo could get another character, so can Konami. I totally wouldn't rule out Konami getting DLC in this game as we all know how greedy/selfish they're with their IPs. The Contra guys I would say are the most likely characters to be the next Konami character.
Given Resi is apparently out, only way I can see that happening is if Sakurai decides to do them as full 8-Bit characters walking about shooting pellets like Mega Man.
 

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Can you blame him? He has been on this Smash train for 20 years and 13 years in this community on Smashboards.
That doesn't really justify, well, anything. Being around longer doesn't change that he's making conspiracy theories that Geno is actually in. I want you to remember one thing. He didn't say he was kicked out of the server but merely retired, it took someone else going "bull**** you were kicked out" for him to admit the truth. He showed he can, will and has lied to gain your trust, as he kept using the fact he was in that discord as proof he's legit
 

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Call me crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the deconfirmed characters was falsely deconfirmed.
I mean, I'd say most of them are since they're from, ya know, fake leakers.

At the very least, since all our decofirmations basically come from 2 people, if one them was fake, it's a safe bet all the ones by that person were fake.
 
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