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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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I think he seems cool, and Vergeben could be wrong, but it seems kinda weird how they're going all-in on him being FP5.
I think most of the guys at the Geno thread are solid about him being FP5 is because of Fatman's "Thank you!" theory. Fatman said that Heihachi and Lloyd were guest in Soul Calibur at certain points and that it would make a ton of sense if their Mii costumes came back with Nightmare because of that.
 
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I don't think anyone didn't think that Post-pass wouldn't be filled with fan-servicey characters. I mean the Fighter Pass so far is also fan service, depending on who you like. Joker for instance has so many references to Persona 5, and so does Banjo-Kazooie, and of Fatal Fury though we may have Sakurai for that one.
I should clarify that Fatman is specifically talking about characters like Lloyd and Geno, who have been requested since Brawl by the core Smash fans that hang out on forums like this.

I agree that characters like Terry and Joker are fantastic and have a lot of care put into them, but i don't think they were requested by a lot of old time Smash fans. These kinda of picks are totally fine though, which is why I hope the Smash devs continues to strive for a balance of old and new fan-favourites
 

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Maybe character 5 will finally be the one to be a Spirit, come from a first party series, and not be from a new franchise.
Hyper Upgrade time?

That is, if you meant new franchise as in never being in Smash before in any capacity.

Funny because I was even convinced at one point Andy had a small chance for the FP. Most of that was wishful thinking i'll admit but there was a lot of sus things like the awkward Advance Wars spirit represntation, absent AT, and no Mii Costume or track.

Simpler times indeed. Maybe just maybe Andy will get his chance after the pass somehow.
 
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I don't know what's going on in the Geno thread but it's hard to not feel a little bad about a group that's just been left waiting and waiting for at least a year.

Like, I remember back when they were speculating Geno was a TGA reveal, at last year's TGA!

I'd go insane. Well, more insane.
 
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Wait, I think Rich Uncle Pennybags is in.
  • So far, our companies are Square Enix, Microsoft, Atlus, and SNK. That means the final character comes from a company beginning with H.
  • Hasbro owns Monopoly.
  • There are many Nintendo Monopoly boards.
  • The music to Monopoly (1993) was composed by Koichi Sugiyama.
He's in.
 

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I think Cloud being the first Square-Enix character to get into Smash was always going to be a thing. He was going to get in before a Dragon Quest protagonist, Geno, Sora, or Lara Croft because Final Fantasy is literally the face of JRPGs and that franchise is Square-Enix's biggest one.
I mean I completely agree with you, Square has some of the most biggest franchises under their belt. I can see most of them getting in before we could even get to Geno. That's not me being mean or dismissing Geno, it's just based on what we've seen so far from Square themselves. Square can be pretty comparable to Capcom, in terms of character choices. They have so many characters that comes from big series that would be great for Smash and most of them would be fun to play. Not to mention they always seem to for their bigger characters or ones that's still relevant to them for crossovers for DLC.
 
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I mean, there's also the likes of Sir Arthur, Amaterasu, and Morrigan

there's still plenty more when it comes to Capcom that isn't RE, DMC, MH, or AA

they probably have the 2nd best collection of video game IPs right behind Nintendo
Frank proved popular enough to get an alternate take of Dead Rising 2 where he was the main character. He also consistently appears alongside Arthur, Amaterasu, and Morrigan in various crossovers.
I mean, there's, y'know, Monster Hunter, for a given definition of "ruled out."
I completely forgot about Monster Hunter. Somehow.
 

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Fatman already said most of the insider dudes were giving Geno good chances, at least 50%, and the mii costume is still missing anyway, so I don't know why Nightmare has to be in for Geno to be a shoo-in...
 

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I think Geno has a decent shot if upgrading base game Spirits is on the table for post-Pass DLC (I consider DLC Spirits deconfirmation, RIP RE), but if Geno doesn't get in now, I honestly don't think he will ever get into Smash.
 

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Wait, I think Rich Uncle Pennybags is in.
  • So far, our companies are Square Enix, Microsoft, Atlus, and SNK. That means the final character comes from a company beginning with H.
  • Hasbro owns Monopoly.
  • There are many Nintendo Monopoly boards.
  • The music to Monopoly (1993) was composed by Koichi Sugiyama.
He's in.
It isn't Pennybags, It's Moneybags instead:



It's a wrap folks! He is our Activision rep. :4pacman:
 

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I think Cloud being the first Square-Enix character to get into Smash was always going to be a thing. He was going to get in before a Dragon Quest protagonist, Geno, Sora, or Lara Croft because Final Fantasy is literally the face of JRPGs and that franchise is Square-Enix's biggest one.
I'm gonna be completely honest and say that Cloud specifically was a surprise to me, as I thought (at the time) that they would instead go with a FF rep that's more associated with Nintendo than he was. I agree with the rest of your post though. And I'm actually glad I was wrong there. :p
 

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Fatman already said most of the insider dudes were giving Geno good chances, at least 50%, and the mii costume is still missing anyway, so I don't know why Nightmare has to be in for Geno to be a shoo-in...
I think Geno has a good shot for post pass but honestly that theory of his doesn't sound that different to me in comparison to infamous theories like the one with the chairs or "the direct was suspended because Isaac is in and he was doing earth attacks".
Also, thinking post-pass characters will be entirely characters that Smash fans were requesting for a long time is really naive.
 
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So Corviknight, Luxray, and Sawsbuck. Cheers I’ll drink to that bro.
I'd take it. Sawsbuck's my second favorite Pokémon so I'd be thrilled. :p Sadly it couldn't even get into Galar, never mind Smash...
 

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What better character to represent DLC and by extension, Activision?
"Ah, Call of Duty Man. How is my favourite customer? I'm afraid that your new weapons have gotten stuck in this box. I may be persuaded to open it for ah, a small fee."
 

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I think Geno has a good shot for post pass but honestly that theory of his doesn't sound that different to me in comparison to infamous theories like the one with the chairs or "the direct was suspended because Isaac is in and he was doing earth attacks".
Also, thinking post-pass characters will be entirely characters that Smash fans were requesting for a long time is really naive.
I mean it would make Nintendo a lot of money. Not to say he said it was going to be all highly fan requested characters, but he said that E3 and beyond would be almost nothing but 3rd party characters.
 

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I mean it would make Nintendo a lot of money. Not to say he said it was going to be all highly fan requested characters, but he said that E3 and beyond would be almost nothing but 3rd party characters.
So what value was given to "Beyond"?

For the rest of the year or like, forever?
 

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I mean it would make Nintendo a lot of money.
They're already making a ton of money. The Fighters Pass was stated to contribute significantly to Nintendo's fiscal growth this year. Smash DLC will sell well no matter what the character is, and they clearly are not prioritizing the biggest and baddest franchises nor what nerds like us talk about all the time.

There's more to this business than just adding in the 10-15 characters people on internet forums obsess over.
 

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Didn't Verge say "No Namco?"

Why are we suddenly talking Soul Calibur?
 

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I’ve found a very fitting image that might go well with your Fatman storyline and it encapsulates how speculation has been for the past few weeks.
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(Yes, this is a real excerpt from a comic lol)

you know very well that this forum is going to turn into a warzone no matter what happens.
Thanks, Commissioner!

I'm going to have to give you a side chapter involving Nightmare or something lol.

Daily reminder that Verge and Sabi haven't deconfirmed Gooigi.
At first I thought it was just that one person who was super hyped about him, but now I can't tell if we all secretly want this to happen.
 

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Can't call your house leaders "anime swordsmen" if they don't wield swords to begin with.

This post was made by the Black Eagle, Blue Lion, and Golden Deer gangs.
 
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Looks like I didn't missed much, frankly my opinion in regards of upgrades is unchanged, only way I could see Spirit or AT upgrades in general is if and only if the scope of the post fighter pass is smaller. If we get fighters with less content in regards of Spirits, Stages and Music.

If scope is similar to the current newcomers, I don't see any upgrades happening at all.
 

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So what value was given to "Beyond"?

For the rest of the year or like, forever?
Until the DLC lineup is over basically. That's why Fatman and everybody else in the Geno thread are banking on Geno being #76 or :starman::starman:#77:starman::starman:.

Didn't Verge say "No Namco?"

Why are we suddenly talking Soul Calibur?
Because of Fatmanonice and his "Thank you!" theory.
 
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The man was wondering why people got angry over Corrin and I provided an explanation. Corrin was controversial when initially announced and time passage doesn't change that. Now Corrin is just a character in a 70 fighter roster who most people forget is in the game.
You sound like an ex who clearly isn't over the break up but try really hard to pretend not to even though you keep insulting them
Legacy is more important than recency, feel free to disagree with me but that's how I feel about newcomers in general.
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I'm gonna be completely honest and say that Cloud specifically was a surprise to me, as I thought (at the time) that they would instead go with a FF rep that's more associated with Nintendo than he was. I agree with the rest of your post though. And I'm actually glad I was wrong there. :p
Back when I lived in the dorms in college, I remember a Smash fanatic in our dorm tell me that Cloud was in Smash on the day of his reveal. I was like "What!?" as I didn't believe it at first. I saw it and couldn't believe they actually manage to pull it off.
Didn't Verge say "No Namco?"

Why are we suddenly talking Soul Calibur?
Fatman (who was in Sabi's private discord) claimed that Verge (who is already spot on about the characters even if he isn't always the first) is lying about Namco being deconfirmed so the Geno thread thinks Nightmare is next. There's also Fatman's "Thank You" theory and according to him the next batch of DLC fighters would be "fanservice picks".
 
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I don't jibe with any of the theories floating around the Geno thread but they've been so beaten down in speculation over the last couple of years that I can hardly blame any of them for latching onto them.
 

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I can't believe I never thought of this as a recovery possibility for Phoenix other than a stepladder. Phoenix has so much potential for a wacky and creative moveset, it's frankly unfair to everyone else.
 
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I think Geno has a decent shot if upgrading base game Spirits is on the table for post-Pass DLC (I consider DLC Spirits deconfirmation, RIP RE), but if Geno doesn't get in now, I honestly don't think he will ever get into Smash.
I'd also add that if we get another Square-Enix rep as DLC, someone like 2B, then that'd be the final nail in the coffin for Geno.

Because at that point, Sakurai would of had three different opportunities to bring in Geno, but instead focused on other series from Square-Enix. Whereas with, say, Microsoft, Banjo & Kazooie were first in line, before the likes of Steve or Master Chief.
 

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Back when I lived in the dorms in college, I remember a Smash fanatic in our dorm tell me that Cloud was in Smash on the day of his reveal. I was like "What!?" as I didn't believe it at first. I saw it and couldn't believe they actually manage to pull it off.
Basically this. As soon as that Direct was over I immediately went to talk to a friend of mine who is a big RPG nut. It took a few good minutes of talking and actually sending him the trailer to convince him I wasn't lying lol.
 
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You sound like an ex who clearly isn't over the break up but try really hard to pretend not to even though you keep insulting them

Ok boomer
read this in edelgard's voice and it really enhanced the experience
 
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Back when I lived in the dorms in college, I remember a Smash fanatic in our dorm tell me that Cloud was in Smash on the day of his reveal. I was like "What!?" as I didn't believe it at first. I saw it and couldn't believe they actually manage to pull it off.

Fatman (who was in Sabi's private discord) claimed that Verge (who is already spot on about the characters even if he isn't always the first) is lying about Namco being deconfirmed so the Geno thread thinks Nightmare is next. There's also Fatman's "Thank You" theory and according to him the next batch of DLC fighters would be "fanservice picks".
I feel their use of fanservice picks is kinda silly, given that we have gotten pretty much fanservice picks since the Inklings all the way to Terry. Fighter 5 is going to be fanservice and beyond are going to be fanservice as well, every character has their fans.

Plus for what reason would Verge lie in regards of Bamco? He doesn't have anything to lose.
 
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