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Newbie Mafia #2: CAN THE NEWBIES STEP UP AND PLAY A SUCCESSFULE GAME?

#HBC | Mac

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Page Break Vote Count:

[1]No Lynch: Tusm
[1]Skyler: Pierre
[1]Teran: Skyler
[1]KevinM: Marshy
[4]Florida: KevinM, Dekuu, Riddle, InfernoOmni
[1]Riddle: Florida
[4] not voting: Mentosman, Airgemini, Zero Beat, Teran,

It takes 7 votes out of 13 to lynch.
The deadline has been set for the last second of the 2nd of August.
 

Omni

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Use the time we have now to discuss things.

Florida's scumminess

My outing of Marshy's plan

Florida's scumminess

Marshy's plan in general

Vote for Florida

End day1

sounds good right?
Kevin: Yes. I still feel like people are joking too much. Having votes on for a while doesn't mean they're well thought out. TUSM voted for a No-Lynch halfway into the Day and Skyler hasn't unvoted his jokevote on Teran. We still have inactives that have barely said a word and tomorrow is the last day for toDay.

Pierre: What is WIFOM? You do piss me off because it seems you're saying everything that I am saying is invalid. I don't get it. Btw, the point you addressed on the second line was the point I was talking about in the first line.
 

The Phazon Assassin

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TUSM voted for a No-Lynch halfway into the Day.
So? I previously said that iI feel as though a no-lynch is our best option. As I've also said, it doesn't look like we're going to get a majority vote looking at the way things had been going at the time. That hasn't changed much. Even now it still doesn't look like it.

But, you are right about Skyler, I haven't heard from him in quite a bit.
 

Pierre the Scarecrow

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I have the least amount of a read on SkylerOcon. I don't feel that Zero Beat has been generally noteworthy nor has he been helpful or accomplished anything; I feel that you have been passive-aggressive most of the game but you have at least noted certain suspicions; I feel that SkylerOcon has done the least out of any player.

I could also add Teran17 to this list, I suppose.

Dekuu, would you rather I change my vote to any of the other 3 on the list?
 

Pierre the Scarecrow

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InfernoOmni: WIFOM stands for Wine in Front of Me. In the novel (and film) The Princess Bride, the Sicilian challenged Dread Pirate Roberts to a duel of wits. He places two goblets of wine on the table, one in front of himself and one in front of his opponent. He states that he has poisoned one of the goblets, and DPR can choose which he wants to drink - the goblet the enemy put in front of his enemy or the goblet the enemy put in front of himself. The natural instinct would be to put the poison in front of your enemy, not yourself; therefore, wouldn't the witty Sicilian put it in the opposite order? Or would the Sicilian think it a step further and put it in front of himself, knowing DPR would expect him to do the opposite? Or would he think it even a step further?

As you can see, this greatly parallels the mindgames in Mafia. Someone does something to attract attention to themselves and could seem, at least on the most shallow level, scummy - its something dumb mafia might do. Therefore, isn't it something that educated mafia, or at least semi-experienced mafia, would never do? At least, when they have experienced partners to shy them away from it, and especially when they can lurk, sit back, ruffle no feathers, and attempt to coast through the game. Or would the mafia then do exactly that, thinking we would think they are town for it?

I gauge that Florida would not apply pressure by saying "scummy, scummy, scummy" if he were scum, simply because there is not enough of a gain and he can risk a lot, especially in a game with new players who may be eager to jump and lynch. I do think, however, that a town Florida might pressure like that.

Regardless, I don't think its enough to lynch someone.
 

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We have a day left and we aren't very close to a lynch at all. Since the rules state that a day ending without a majority results in a no lynch, I think that there is a very very small chance of lynching anyone at all.

I think that the next most important thing to lynching scum is promoting intelligent discussion. It is discussion that leads to lynching scum. Therefore, I think that are most important objective is to get as much discussion as possible.

I'm going to ask everyone to answer these questions:
1) If you had to vote for someone right now, who would it be? Who seems the most suspicious to you right now? Why?
2) What do you think is the most important thing for us (town) to do now.

My answers are 1)Florida, he seems like he is trying too hard to blame people, and, when this doesn't work, shift the blame to himself. and 2) We need to promote discussion and try to work through the lies of the mafia to find out all we can.
 

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Well I already gave a lot of my input although Pierre doesn't agree with it. I see what he means though with the Whine in Front of Me thing but it doesn't really change my suspicions.
 

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Everyone, if you are town (or want to look like town) post a lot! The only way to encourage discussion is to post, post, post. I am resigned the fact that Day 1 will end with no lynch, but we should get a head start on Day 2. Here are my questions again:

1) If you had to vote for someone right now, who would it be? Who seems the most suspicious to you right now? Why?
2) What do you think is the most important thing for us (town) to do now.

Answer them!
 

Pierre the Scarecrow

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Whine in Front of Me.
Whine in Front of Me
:urg:

Everyone, if you are town (or want to look like town) post a lot! The only way to encourage discussion is to post, post, post. I am resigned the fact that Day 1 will end with no lynch, but we should get a head start on Day 2. Here are my questions again:

1) If you had to vote for someone right now, who would it be? Who seems the most suspicious to you right now? Why?
2) What do you think is the most important thing for us (town) to do now.

Answer them!
I very much agree with you on the statements about activity... in a game where there are inactives, regular activity becomes a manipulatable issue, it can make you look townie or scummy. However, it shouldn't be a tell at all. In a perfect little world, every scarecrow would be active. It makes me question why people who are inactive or aren't scumhunting are even playing.

Questions:

1) I cannot narrow it down to one person, though as you can tell my vote is on SkylerOcon. It is this way because I think he has accomplished very little. I would not mind a SkylerOcon, Teran17, Zero Beat, or Airgemini lynch at the moment. My reasoning is that I do not believe they have taken an active stance in looking for scum, and I find most everything that has been accomplished by others today to be less scummy than said players' inactivity. The four players I mentioned I find suspicious simply because I don't think they're up to snuff.

On the flip side, based on actual reads, I find Marshy to be least scummy and Mentosman8 currently noteworthy. The Mentosman8 read is something I have been thinking about but hesitant to speak on, because while it doesn't convince me that he is mafia, it is something I would normally bring up in regular discussion in a game that is not so stagnated and silent like this one. (Again, I directly blame SkylerOcon, Teran17, Zero Beat, Airgemini and their playstyles). But I will elaborate at the end of this post.

2) Most important thing to do is to continue to post our opinions.

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Although I do not necessarily think that he is scum, I'm not necessarily convinced that Florida is town either. In a circumstance like this, I might actually jump on the bandwagon (not always a scummy thing, do not let people flatly convince you bandwagons are bad, it always depends on the context) to lynch Florida as opposed to a No Lynch today.

However, one thing that is keeping me from voting Florida is Mentosman8's attitude towards Florida. Mentosman has repeatedly agreed with KevinM that Florida is scummy, and has pointed out the faults in some of what Florida has done, but he has not voted him. I find that questionable. I can imagine Mentosman as a mafia who is trying to push the general attitude of the group towards a Florida lynch without being noted as being on the vote tally.

I would like to hear back from people on this. Did anyone else feel this way? Does anyone else have a feeling similar to this but on any other players?

The posts that I refer to are:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7929281&postcount=167
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7967709&postcount=230
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7979066&postcount=244
 

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actually i'm in complete agreement about the way mentos has been playing. i brought it up earlier but was much more vague about it. i'd still like a response from him

i also really don't want a no-lynch so unvote kevin, vote florida

to answer your questions riddle: i'd still be happy with a kevin lynch for reasons i've gone over but since that doesn't seem to be happening i've gone with florida

as for most important thing to do? i'd say it'd be for everyone to let us know who they think is suspicious. i don't know what tusm, skyler, air, zero or teran are thinking when it comes to who they think could be mafia
 

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I hadn't voted yet because I wanted to see if anything else would come up during the day that would change my mind. I guess it is kind of strange that I didn't vote him earlier, I just wanted to let the day go on because I wasn't positive he would be my in-the-end lynch choice. However, with the day coming to an end of the extended time, I still haven't had anything come up to change my mind, so Vote: Florida. This puts him 1 vote shy of the hammer, and I have to do it now because I'm going out for the night in a couple minutes.
 

Florida

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Time to claim. Vanilla Townie. Yep, nothing special.

Sorry that I played in a way that made me appear scum to you guys, that wasn't my intention. I was really just fishing for reactions and trying some new, though I admit newbish, styles on how to get said reactions.
 

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I don't want another Day 1 and Florida seems scummy to me anyway. I mean, did anyone else notice that when Florida was 'questioning' Riddle that he revealed his plan immediately after being called out? He said he was doing it for reactions but from who? The only person who posted during that back-and-forth was Dekuu and he never asked any questions.

Also, what's the point of asking Riddle what he thought of Xace? I doubt he'd get the same player to say the person before himself was suspicious. The only intent I can see was to get Riddle to do that so he wouldn't look bad when he got called out, since he backed down so quickly and easily.

Florida definitely seems suspicious. Should I put down the final vote?
 

Pierre the Scarecrow

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I do not think that Florida is mafia, so I would not and did not put down the final vote.

You have stated yourself that he seems scummy to you. You have stated that you do not want 'another Day 1.' I do not agree with these statements, and I would not hammer him. However, all signs you put forward state that you think that he is suspicious, and you have even brought forth new discussion on his subject with 30 minutes left in the Day.

You seem to want to do it. If so, then do it. Don't pussyfoot around. If you want to distance yourself from the loss of a townie, it is all decided on whether or not you are correct in this endeavour and how much stock we put in the hammer vote. You are obviously in the majority if you are able to hammer him.

Where have you been, and what do you think of the things I said about you?
 

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Where have you been, and what do you think of the things I said about you?
Truth be told, I've been thinking about getting a replacement. I got caught up with some IRL stuff. I know that I have been inactive and my posts have been lacking in substance, but I haven't been able to keep up.
 

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Well, I've thought about it. Florida definitely seems scummy to me, and having another D1 tomorrow will not help us.

Vote: Florida
 

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Alright. Don't know if I'm allowed to post this or not as it is Twilight, but good luck town!
 

Pierre the Scarecrow

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I actually think that you do not get lynched. Well, I guess it depends on where Macman lives. But his profile says "Mass."

The deadline has been set for the last second of the 2nd of August.
The last second of the 2nd of August. SkylerOcon voted for you at 12:00 (Midnight) on the 3rd, which is past the last second of the 2nd of August.

Mindgames. I wonder if SkylerOcon did that on purpose. I wonder if YOU'RE doing it on purpose too. I doubt I'm seriously the only one noticing this.

Also, talking in Twilight is usually allowed.

My final thoughts as we go into Night: I am suspicious of SkylerOcon and Mentosman8. I demand that Teran17, Zero Beat, and Airgemini get more active. I am not suspicious of Marshy or KevinM and think they are both town aligned.
 

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Maybe he started his post at 11:59, but couldn't finish it until the stroke of midnight. Are we really gonna nitpick at this though?
 

Florida

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It's still 9:47 for me lol. What time zone does macman go by?
 

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I actually think that you do not get lynched. Well, I guess it depends on where Macman lives. But his profile says "Mass."



The last second of the 2nd of August. SkylerOcon voted for you at 12:00 (Midnight) on the 3rd, which is past the last second of the 2nd of August.
Well, it was 10:00 for me when I posted it, and it's still 11:14 for me right here. Also, as TUSM said, I started the post before 10:00 and I posted it on practically the second of. Macman never specified EST, so Florida surviving would be unfair.
 

#HBC | Mac

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Day End Vote Count:

[1]No Lynch: Tusm
[1]Skyler: Pierre
[7]Florida: KevinM, Dekuu, Riddle, InfernoOmni, Marshy, Mentosman, SkylerOcon
[1]Riddle: Florida
[3] not voting: Airgemini, Zero Beat, Teran,

It takes 7 votes out of 13 to lynch.
The deadline has been set for the last second of the 2nd of August.




After a few moments consisting of silence and nervous glances at each other, the group slowly begins to talk with one another. It started off as light, speculative conversation but it soon turned into yelling and baseless accusations. One man in particular begins to yell, “You are a ROBOT, I know you are! Confess and let everyone go home.” After people begin to question his outburst he says “Just kidding, I never actually thought he was a robot I was just fishing for reactions.” The group believed this to be odd and un-humanlike behavior. They decided that he must be an android; they would have to get rid of him.

They began to approach him, ready to destroy this piece of machinery that was trying to destroy all of their lives. The man, now realizing what was about to happen, began to run. This only fueled the groups desire to eradicate him. One woman from the group produced a knife from somewhere in his clothing and flung it expertly at the back of his head, the very place that once destroyed would deactivate an android. He wasn’t able to get very far before he felt the cold hard metal pierce the back of his skull. The man collapsed and blood began to ooze out from his wound. All at once the group realized – Androids don’t bleed. Florida [
vanilla townie] has been slain by the group.

They realized there was still more scum out there that they would have to find. Suddenly, all the lights in the building went out. They found themselves in complete darkness. Laughter was heard from within the group. Only time would tell when or if the lights would come back on. Hopefully by then, it wouldn’t be too late.


All night actions are due by the last second of August 4th. EST
 

#HBC | Mac

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lol idc my writing is horrid, im too lazy to try.


oh and,


Riddle, douche-alligned meanie pants , has been modkilled.
 

#HBC | Mac

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The light suddenly comes back on. You all take a quick glance around the room. You gasp; on the ground a few feet away you see two dead bodies drenched in a puddle of blood.
Dekuu [
vanilla townie] and Pierre[ town-aligned D:(CTOR] have been killed.

You all go back to the conference room. Now, more than ever before, you realize that you are going to have to figure out who these androids are, before more innocent people die.




New Day Vote Count:

[10] not voting: Mentosman, Airgemini, Zero Beat, Teran, Tusm, Skyler, Marshy, KevinM, Riddle, InfernoOmni

It takes 6 votes out of 10 to lynch.
The deadline has been set for the very last second of August 19th... EST
 

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Sh*t. This isn't good for town.

Not only is our doctor dead, but this also means that we have a serial killer (or and dumb vigilante I guess). Who had reasons to kill Pierre and Dekuu. I guess Pierre was voting for Skyler so he seems a little more suspicious to me now. My suspicions now mostly lie with inactives so post post post!

Btw Macman, you have Florida on your list of not voting. Just thought you'd like to know.
 

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I think we need to compile a list of prime suspects. Who did Pierre and/or Dekuu suspect. I think right now I have to say SkylerOcon is the most scummy right now. He hammered Florida right at the end of the day, and was suspected by Pierre. Its also possible that someone killed Pierre to put suspicion on Skyler or that it was a rand vig shot but Skyler is the best lead right now.
 

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Disagreeable mod decisions and heavy inactivity made this a rather unenjoyable experience for me. Im forced to question why half of you are playing. I know this is a newbie game but when everyone is advising you to post more then you should do that. Good luck town /bah
 
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