Newbie Mafia #2: CAN THE NEWBIES STEP UP AND PLAY A SUCCESSFULE GAME?

[KevinM]

Today I'm not even questioning who to vote for, for me its either Airgemini, for blatently being unhelpful and he never will be.

Or skyler for his scumminess, especially when we had a claimed Vanilla with no discussion on it and all he posted was, I still don't buy it, you seem scummy.

It seems we do have an SK, at least I'm hoping the Vig wasn't that stupid.

Vote: Airgemini

Either start playing the game or hang seriously.

 

[Teran]

Epic fail, GG boys.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Today I'm not even questioning who to vote for, for me its either Airgemini, for blatently being unhelpful and he never will be.

Wow, that's EXACTLY what I said D1, but you said it wasn't a good idea. You said something along the lines of "There's no such thing as a useless townie" and "His votes can be manipulated." What's with the sudden change of heart?

I do agree with Skyler, though. First, he asks to place a hammer vote, then does it anyway after someone suggested not to.

Vote: Skyler

And why is it that our doctor always gets killed N1?

 

[Omni]

Wow, this was just a ******** D1/N1.

Guys, we really need more discussion and participation toDay if we're going to prevent any more further damage.

So it looks like we have a Serial Killer. That means we don't have a Vigilante (gay) and there is no Survivor.

Vote: Airgemini because he has been the most inactive thus far. Zero Beat most likely follows behind.

Skyler is coming off as rather scummy although he did speak up (by the time the discussion was nearly over). However, I'm slightly hesitant because of what Pierre said about the WIFOM. Is there a way to determine how Dekuu and Pierre was killed? If the mafia killed Pierre, wouldn't that put too much suspicion on Skyler seeing as he was the one who had him under suspicion? Either way, it's a stupid idea. If the mafia didn't kill Pierre, then they killed Dekuu. Was Dekuu on the right track? Was he random?

So first, can anyone tell me if there's a way to distinguish a SK and a mafia kill?

Skyler, you said in an earlier post that you were keeping up with our discussion and you "agreed" with what has been said up to that point. What exactly did you mean and what were your reasons for voting Florida?

 

[Airgemini]

That means we don't have a Vigilante (gay) and there is no Survivor.

I think we could still have one. In the OP it says that the Vigilante doesn't have to kill every night.

 

[KevinM]

Wow, that's EXACTLY what I said D1, but you said it wasn't a good idea. You said something along the lines of "There's no such thing as a useless townie" and "His votes can be manipulated." What's with the sudden change of heart?

Day 1 I had hope for him.

If Day 2 he posts the same crap, I feel he's garnered enough suspicion from me to push a lynch.

If it was any other way I would lynch KK day one every time.

 

[Omni]

I think we could still have one. In the OP it says that the Vigilante doesn't have to kill every night.

Yeah, but 2 people died: Dekuu and Pierre. Are you saying that it's possible for the mafia to kill off more than one person per night? That's not even fair.

 

[KevinM]

I think we could still have one. In the OP it says that the Vigilante doesn't have to kill every night.

It also says in the OP that there can only be a Vig OR an SK.

So yeah read the whole OP before you quote it.

 

[Riddle]

Airgemini, Zero Beat, Teran, and other lurkers, please start contributing if you are going to just going to lurk and not discuss I'm going to assume you are mafia/serial killer.

 

[KevinM]

In fact can we get a mod prod on like everyone Macman?

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

So first, can anyone tell me if there's a way to distinguish a SK and a mafia kill?

I don't think so, so the best way to go about this situation is to look at both possiblities, like you did.

If mafia killed Dekuu, and the SK killed Pierre, I would put Skyler as the SK, especially looking at the events that occured just before the deadline arrived. There's also the possiblity that you could be the SK, just to spite Pierre for the WIFOM stuff. That would be incredibly stupid, so I'll assume you wouldn't do such a thing. If it were the otherway around, everything would just switch over to the mafia side, but that, again, would be an idiotic move to make, just putting more suspicion on yourself. Then, that whole WIFOM thing comes into play again.

In either situation, I see Dekuu as a random kill, so I can't gauge much from it.

I think we could still have one. In the OP it says that the Vigilante doesn't have to kill every night.

Yeah, but 2 people died: Dekuu and Pierre. Are you saying that it's possible for the mafia to kill off more than one person per night? That's not even fair.

Mafia can only kill one person per night.

 

[Omni]

I owe Pierre for teaching me WIFOM although I wish I never learned it. It's so freaking complicated and annoying and I feel like if I ever come to a speculation, someone can counter me with "WIFOM!"

Mac, please prod everyone so we can get a good discussion going.

We really need to thoroughly hear the thoughts of the people who haven't been very outspoken. Otherwise we'll be in the same position we were in Day 1 and that was a disaster.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Mid Page Vote Count:

[2]Airgemini: KevinM, InfernoOmni
[1]Skyler: Tusm

[7] not voting: Mentosman, Airgemini, Zero Beat, Teran, Skyler, Marshy, Riddle

It takes 6 votes out of 10 to lynch.
The deadline has been set for the very last second of August 19th... EST

 

[SkylerOcon]

Or skyler for his scumminess, especially when we had a claimed Vanilla with no discussion on it and all he posted was, I still don't buy it, you seem scummy.

What more was there to say? I had already explained why I thought Florida was suspicious and I figured any scum would claim vanilla in his situation. He claimed an hour and a half before the deadline and the only other person to post afterwards was Pierre.

I do agree with Skyler, though. First, he asks to place a hammer vote, then does it anyway after someone suggested not to.

Nobody said not to hammer.

 

[mentosman8]

Lol @ gettin prodded a day into d2, can't a guy miss a day XD? Anyway, at work right now so can't really post, just lettin everyone know I'm still around till later

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i don't know what tusm, skyler, air, zero or teran are thinking when it comes to who they think could be mafia

this is still the case though tusm and skyler are talking more. boo

air why are you playing so differently? you actually played in the first newbie mafia as town. here you're not and keep reminding us why and posting one-liners that get us nowhere

 

[KevinM]

God Sky's play was so scummy but I keep saying in my head "it's because he's new"

 

[mentosman8]

Haha that's the hard part for us in this game Kev, things that would be glaring warnings with our experienced players are a lot more questionable with the newer ones because it could just be their newbiness.

Anyway, I know I promised a post, but honestly I have nothing to comment on right now. Maybe when I'm less exhausted tomorrow I'll have come up with something, but as of right now(and it was the same way after my last post), I don't have anything I find particualarly interesting. I plan on doing some re-reading tomorrow night after I get off work, and hopefully I'll come up with something useful.

 

[KevinM]

You don't find anything interesting about Teran never speaking except for him to say GG.

Or Sky hammering at midnight?

 

[Riddle]

Epic fail, GG boys.

Here's a radical thought, maybe, you should actually try to help town rather than giving up and only helping mafia. Unless you are mafia and then just tell me and I would be perfectly happy to lynch you.

Zero Beat and Junglefever. POST!!!

 

[Chaco]

If you need more replacements, IM me or PM me sometime Mac. I can get 'em.

 

[mentosman8]

Kev, to answer your questions, I actually thought teran had died. So yes, his post does seem strange now that I realize he didn't. And as for skyler hammering, I'm still not sure that wasn't just his response to people saying they wanted a lynch or we would have another D1

 

[Teran]

If I were scum, I would be involved in the lynch.
I had absolutely zero involvement in the course of action that caused the lynch.

Wouldn't it be a little silly to accuse me of being Mafia? I mean, as much as being quiet may seem suspicious to you guys, scum are there to stir stuff up and cause the mislynches.

I did no such thing, so I don't see where the accusations are coming from, and I'll reserve my judgments at this moment in time, I'm not quick to make important decisions that I have a relatively decent amount of time to make.

 

[mentosman8]

I can't even count the number of times I've seen a mafia not be involved in a mislynch. Sure, it may point town, but it sure doesn't mean you aren't mafia. On top of that, not only were you quiet, but earlier in D1 you said you were "just messing around until everyone showed up", but once they did you both didn't bother to say anything worthwhile and quite the contrary stopped even making jokes at that point. Then, you lead into D2 with a worthless post like that.

Also, before anyone asks why I didn't say this when I said I had no comment, when I got the chance to post, I had gotten newbie 1 and 2 mixed up, and thought Teran was the doc who died N1, and his first post today was his bah post. Once Kevin asked me about it I looked back, and after realizing he was still alive this jumped to my mind. On the other hand, I got kind of tunnel-visioned on Florida after noticing how different his play was yesterDay(heh I'm being Marshy now), it kind of distracted me. So let me just say, if Teran's attitude doesn't change, I may want to vote him by the end of the day. But, until I see how today plays out, I'm going to try to not put all my focus on him.

 

[Omni]

Dude, Teran. Discussion is really important. The only thing you're doing by withholding your judgment is stalling and we'll be dead or at a serious disadvantage by the time you're ready to start speaking up.

Your speculations may be small thoughts we've had in the back of our head and could be the spark to helping us realize that.

It's called contributing. I don't want to waste my vote on someone just because they're too quiet and inactive.

 

[Teran]

You could forward most of that logic on to Zero Beat or Airgemini.

Let's see, so I made a worthless one liner after Dekuu was killed. Cool story bro, because a lot of people posted something worthless like "this aint good oh lawd wut is i gon' do?"

Zero Beat is just plain inactive you could argue, but Air has been extremely quiet too. I don't care if that's what he did last game because that gives him a guise as scum for not saying much. "Oh it's just Air, he isn't really doing much because that's just him."

That's perfect cover, and since I know him well enough to know he has more than 2 brain cells in his head, he'd know he could use this as cover.

Please though, do go ahead and vote for me, hell if you're struggling by the deadline I might even help your pathetic cause myself.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Goodness, I can't get anything from anyone. It's been nearly silent for the most part, even though I am partially to blame.

I'm somewhat tempted to change my vote to Air, but my mind is still set on Skyler right now. Teran looks town for the most part, the only thing bugging me is his willingness to be lynched.

 

[Omni]

To prevent this game from taking 30 years to finish, how can we go about stirring up discussion?

 

[Teran]

Well Omni, most people do it by making accusations. It usually works like a charm.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Unvote Vote: Teran

I don't like his attitude, at all. All we asked is that you post more, and you go all "bah, humbug" on us. It's like you get upset when you have to share your thoughts.

 

[mentosman8]

Teran, if you are town PLEASE help me out and don't let me get tunnel-visioned here. We ask you to post more, and you pretty much post saying "Well, here are a couple brief thoughts, and even though we're two days into the game I'll already say I'll vote myself near the deadline." Then you say that you stir up discussion by making accusations, but have yet to give any solid thoughts on who you would think are scum, and no, two lines that say "this may mean they're scum, it also could mean nothing though" don't count.

Now, at everyone, what do you guys think so far? I know day two has been inactive, but what are your thoughts on the lynch yesterday and the little bit we've seen today?

@ Zero and Air: You guys really need to post more. I know no one has been particularly active today, but you two were very inactive D1 as well. Let's get your thoughts on what we know, and who you find most suspicious so far. Remember, not posting a lot makes you look suspicious, so if you're town you should be keeping up discussion.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

airgemini is being replaced by MenoUnderWater

Zero Beat is being replaced by KirbYoshi

Thanks alot guys.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

/confirm replacement

Loading PBPA...listen to awesome music while you wait....What? Why are you looking at me like that? I don't have any awesome music for you to listen to! Find your own!

 

[Omni]

Well to start off.

New Guys: Hopefully you've read through the last few pages. We'd like to hear your speculations on the cast up to this point. Please be as detailed as possible, especially if you're considering making a vote as well.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

I know Pierre was nk'ed, but since it's the best movie of all time IMO, I figured I'd better clear something up...

InfernoOmni: WIFOM stands for Wine in Front of Me. In the novel (and film) The Princess Bride, the Sicilian challenged Dread Pirate Roberts to a duel of wits. He places two goblets of wine on the table, one in front of himself and one in front of his opponent. He states that he has poisoned one of the goblets, and DPR can choose which he wants to drink - the goblet the enemy put in front of his enemy or the goblet the enemy put in front of himself. The natural instinct would be to put the poison in front of your enemy, not yourself; therefore, wouldn't the witty Sicilian put it in the opposite order? Or would the Sicilian think it a step further and put it in front of himself, knowing DPR would expect him to do the opposite? Or would he think it even a step further?

At least in the movie, the roles mentioned here are reversed. It is the Dread Pirate Roberts who challenges the Sicilian, Vizzini, to a battle of wits (to the death!). THE funniest scene in the movie!

Sorry, still working on that long post, I just needed to clear that up or my big post would be all fouled up.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

I use PBPA to mean player-by-player, not post-by-post, so here it is...

TUSM: The only thing you've done that could be considered scummy is that you voted NL when there was really no reason to do so. Still, that could just be a n00b move.
Read: Town

Skyler: The fact you hammered Florida bothers me, especially since I didn't think he was acting scummy (I guess that nonsensical vote on Riddle kinda did him in). Still, he's right that no one told him not to hammer.
Read: Town (for now)

InfO: Not sure; your long posts with no really new content, especially your first one, kinda bother me, but you could just be trying to get a feel for the Game.
Read: Undecided

Riddle: Reading XACE, I thought he was scum, but you don't give me that vibe, and his defense concerning N00b Mafia 1 seem legit. Also, you handled the pressure from Florida well, I thought.
Read: Town

Meno: If you lurk, I'll vote you, so post post post!
Read: He's new, so I'm still undecided on him.

Teran: I agree that your tone is very antagonistic, and you don't post much real content. If you're town, you're the most anti-town townie I've seen in my short Mafia career.
Read: Scum

KevinM: You uncovering Marshys evil pro-town plan can be viewed two ways: 1) that you are being a good vet by explaining the game to n00bs, or 2) that you are not in a position where Marshys plan hatching would be good for your strategy.
Read: Indie?

Mentos: Your self-vote was in the RVS, so I won't count that against you. Otherwise, you've been a fairly productive town member.
Read: Town

Marshy: Very clever plan, but unfortunately, it didn't work out. Even though you haven't had this big epiphany that breaks the game open, you've been pro-town.
Read: Town

And before I forget...

Vote: Teran

 

[deepseadiva]

After reading some of the thread, I'll make a substantial post.

 

[Airgemini]

Sorry guys
Hopefully Meno will be more use than me.

 

[Riddle]

Hello newbies, how are you doing? Thanks for your pbpa kirb, Meno I suggest you do the same.

I don't want to join the bw on Teran, but if he doesn't start posting some substance I will.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Seriously Riddle, no one's posted anything today, with the exception of air's "oh well now I'm replaced" post.