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[majora_787]

yes, but it more or less just goes to show that that poll only encompasses a small community.

another problem with that poll is being hated means just as much is being loved due to how the voting system is. which doesn't really matter in getting into smash on popularity as all you need is people wanting to play you. I rabidly hate sonic and it didn't stop me (or anyone else who hates him really) from buying brawl. Hence you see a lot of obscure Gen1s making it so high. they're pretty well liked and no one flat out hates them like a lot of new gens.

I honestly think the voting system was pretty flawed, and doesn't give the best idea. But I think it's accurate to say that Charizard is more popular than whatever hopeless creation was 659th.

 

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oh 48th... I had forgotten. I just knew pikachu was in nowhereland. pikachu obviously is not the 48th most popular pokemon :/

While I do think he should have been higher, I'm not surprised.

Most people I've met hate Pikachu, and I often get bashed for just using Pikachu in Smash. Still being 48/649 is not bad at all, especially since he lost mostly to legendary Pokemon and Pokemon used often in tournaments.

As for the 14 million votes question, it's an internet poll, you can't really cite it. So please don't flame me about it. Hopefully more polls come out soon though as I'm curious about how popular Victini is now after his movie.

 

[Steam]

I honestly think the voting system was pretty flawed, and doesn't give the best idea. But I think it's accurate to say that Charizard is more popular than whatever hopeless creation was 659th.

this is true. but some other people in this thread trying to use it as the poll to end all polls have the wrong idea (not directed at the poster above me). for a poll to apply it needs to be perfect. data skews FAST.

The best thing I could find was this. http://www.googlebattle.com/?domain=Lucario&domain2=Mewtwo&submit=Go!

which has lucario having more overall internet relevance than mewtwo despite a third of the lifespan... it's also very flawed but covers more audiences and is just as usable if not moreso.

the only other poll I've heard of was one in japan that had polled the public and had pikachu, jiggly, and lucario in that order as top 3. but that was before gen5

 

[majora_787]

this is true. but some other people in this thread trying to use it as the poll to end all polls have the wrong idea (not directed at the poster above me). for a poll to apply it needs to be perfect. data skews FAST.

The best thing I could find was this. http://www.googlebattle.com/?domain=Lucario&domain2=Mewtwo&submit=Go!

which has lucario having more overall internet relevance than mewtwo despite a third of the lifespan... it's also very flawed but covers more audiences and is just as usable if not moreso.

the only other poll I've heard of was one in japan that had polled the public and had pikachu, jiggly, and lucario in that order as top 3. but that was before gen5

BUT then again, that's also Japan, the place with LOTS of Pikachu's popularity and ALL of Jigg's popularity. More or less.

 

[Barbasol]

this is true. but some other people in this thread trying to use it as the poll to end all polls have the wrong idea (not directed at the poster above me). for a poll to apply it needs to be perfect. data skews FAST.

The best thing I could find was this. http://www.googlebattle.com/?domain=Lucario&domain2=Mewtwo&submit=Go!

which has lucario having more overall internet relevance than mewtwo despite a third of the lifespan... it's also very flawed but covers more audiences and is just as usable if not moreso.

the only other poll I've heard of was one in japan that had polled the public and had pikachu, jiggly, and lucario in that order as top 3. but that was before gen5

I bet about 25% of those searches were people looking up who the heck Lucario was when he was announced for Brawl.

 

[Steam]

BUT then again, that's also Japan, the place with LOTS of Pikachu's popularity and ALL of Jigg's popularity. More or less.

also the place where a lot of people buy smash... now that I think of it... that's another reason the IGN poll is flawed. it's an american website, not global.

Eh, well **** happens. But is he right that you tend to stick around when pokemon is the topic of discussion?

What exactly would you like to see happen? If you don't mind me asking.

well I stick around because I get attacked a lot when the discussion comes around. otherwise I just lurk and occaisionally post.

and what I'd LIKE to see happen? ehhh... for pokemon roster...

Pikachu
Jigglypuff
PT
Lucario
Mewtwo if he got redone. if not him... zoroark/victini IDC

@barbasol- that doesn't compare number of searches. it compares number of hits when searched. displaying the overall relevance of the character across the interwebz.

 

[nLiM8d]

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[Steam]

well that's just what I want in my perfect little world.

I think it will be pika,jiggz,PT,luc,and zoroark. but zoroark is one I'm really unsure of and I'm a little unsure of lucario.

 

[OmegaXXII]

650 Pokemon? Since B&W?

This is too serious, an IGN poll is nothing to fret over.

(Well there's gensect right?)

Agreed with this and Starphoenix, it's really insignificant to say the least, Japan polls are what count since it will most likely influence Sakurai's interest and decision over a said character.

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[Steam]

Agreed with this and Starphoenix, it's really insignificant to say the least, Japan polls are what count since it will most likely influence Sakurai's interest and decision over a said character.

and the only japanese poll we have concrete access too is just about what pokemon they wanted to be availible in dream world. I couldn't find the one I was mentioning before. It's probably too old to find without doing hard digging. so we don't even have much to go off of XD

 

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Agreed with this and Starphoenix, it's really insignificant to say the least, Japan polls are what count since it will most likely influence Sakurai's interest and decision over a said character.

Agreed as well, I don't like IGN, but it's the only real poll on popularity that I've seen to be somewhat accurate.

Too bad though, I guess the opinions of us overseas don't matter at all.

 

[Steam]

I'd be damned if Japan didn't have trolls. With that said, I still wouldn't want to live there.

Boy, I'd admire that if it wasn't a list of compromised picks. Go bold, Go Blaziken baby.

oh I didn't think you'd want my farfetch'd () list. I thought you meant what you wanted within realistic expectations XD

 

[nLiM8d]

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[OmegaXXII]

@omega- where am I being unrealistic? point out exactly where I'm being unrealistic instead of just claiming it over and over while giving no examples or counterpoints. I really do set aside my biases... though I like BOTH Lucario and Mewtwo. Until gen 3 Mewtwo was my favorite pokemon, then blaziken after that.

Lol.. I wasn't specifically saying that to you, I meant to say it because everyone seems to disagree with your point pertaining to Pokemon, you seem to want Zoroark badly and couldn't accept Victini's inclusion earlier.

Don't flame me though, I know you changed.

Blazakin was my wanted character back then during the Brawl hype, it would be nice if we saw a 2nd gen Trainer with starters like Typlosion, Bayleef, Totodile and such imo.

 

[Starphoenix]

I'd like to see an actual Sakurai poll, preferably the one from Brawl.

edit: hmm. I see

whose that in your avi, i like it ^_^

Ryu from Breath of Fire, specifically 3. Since Breath of Fire 4 will be released on the PSN this Thursday I wanted to do something to kind of tie into that.

this is true. but some other people in this thread trying to use it as the poll to end all polls have the wrong idea (not directed at the poster above me). for a poll to apply it needs to be perfect. data skews FAST.

The best thing I could find was this. http://www.googlebattle.com/?domain=Lucario&domain2=Mewtwo&submit=Go!

which has lucario having more overall internet relevance than mewtwo despite a third of the lifespan... it's also very flawed but covers more audiences and is just as usable if not moreso.

the only other poll I've heard of was one in japan that had polled the public and had pikachu, jiggly, and lucario in that order as top 3. but that was before gen5

Funny how you point out the issues with IGN's results, yet continue to hold up your "evidence" that is just as, if not potentially more skewed than the poll! I know you support Lucario but do please try and be reasonable.

@nLIM8d: Loving the new avatar.

 

[Steam]

@---, google battle is pretty legit. pikachu and jigglypuff slaughter all other pokemon in that ;D

hmmm... in absolute perfect world...

Blaziken
Lucario
Mewtwo
EXCADRILL
youngster joey with top percentage rattata

it works because one rep from each gen.

@omega- but I'm serious, I don't care between zoroark and victini. I feel about zoroark like a lot of mewtwo fans feel about lucario. dumber version of something good. I'm just a skeptic. I feel both zoroark and victini have evenish chances. Zoroark has already fizzled but seems to have been created to be in smash like lucario. victini is an interesting wild card. it really depends on what japan thinks

@Star- I acknowledged my evidence was possibly just as flawed for smash selection as the IGN poll. the only thing I gave over it was that it had a broader scope. I know it's popular to call me unreasonable but don't just skim my posts.

 

[nLiM8d]

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[Starphoenix]

@Star- I acknowledged my evidence was probably just as flawed for smash selection as the IGN poll. the only thing I gave over it was that it had a broader scope. I know it's popular to call me unreasonable but don't just skim my posts.

I don't call people unreasonable because it's fashionable, I'll leave that to KumaOso and Smashchu. I was simply pointing out something that I did not see addressed, with this thread updating every 5 minutes it is easy to gloss over some details. You do realize I don't intently read every post?

I've already discussed about the Google hit subject in the past so I won't waste anybodies time pursuing it again.

 

[Steam]

I don't call people unreasonable because it's fashionable, I'll leave that to KumaOso and Smashchu. I was simply pointing out something that I did not see addressed, with this thread updating every 5 minutes it is easy to gloss over some details. You do realize I don't intently read every post?

I've already discussed about the Google hit subject in the past so I won't waste anybodies time pursuing it again.

well if you're going to call me unreasonable then it should be a reasonable request for you to read my posts closely.

though I still do believe the google battle is more fitting than the IGN. though neither of them are even close to indicative of anything. not even sure if the google battle covers all sites on the world or just ones in english. but it does represent the casual crowd better

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Ryu from Breath of Fire, specifically 3. Since Breath of Fire 4 will be released on the PSN this Thursday I wanted to do something to kind of tie into that.

It is? On PSN?? Oh hell yea!!, I plan to rep him as well so I took your avi btw.

@omega- but I'm serious, I don't care between zoroark and victini. I feel about zoroark like a lot of mewtwo fans feel about lucario. dumber version of something good. I'm just a skeptic. I feel both zoroark and victini have evenish chances. Zoroark has already fizzled but seems to have been created to be in smash like lucario. victini is an interesting wild card. it really depends on what japan thinks

Yes, I agree, Zoroark and Victini's chances seems to be evenly, it all depends on Sakurai and the japenese Pokemon community as a whole, like I said I'd like to see Mewtwo though

 

[Starphoenix]

well if you're going to call me unreasonable then it should be a reasonable request for you to read my posts closely.

It is a reasonable request. I'll accept my error.

I will say that if you're going to go in on people's comments, then you should analyze it from the point of view of that person, including all relevant details.

I know I wouldn't want to be called out on something that someone thought they heard me say.

It isn't the point of view that is in question, I already understand that. It was my mistake at pointing out something already stated.

It is? On PSN?? Oh hell yea!!, I plan to rep him as well so I took your avi btw.

Fine by me, but yes it is a fun game. I'd look up some of the music.

Breath of Fire 4 - Men of War
Breath of Fire 4 - Thousand Wings
Breath of Fire 4 - ******* Sword

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yo, 'casual' meaning those who utilize the system?

Hmm.. and this relates to what aspect??

 

[nLiM8d]

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[Steam]

@omega- I would like to see mewtwo as well. melee did him no justice... (and I know that lucario's character design generally beats mewtwo's... hehehe)

@star- it's NP

@nLiM8d- it would better represent those who don't go on sites like IGN, but discuss/talk about the things elsewhere. of course it still does nothing about the casuals of all casuals, the kiddies. you can't really poll them. but it would be a pretty safe assumption that they'd prefer newer gen stuff. though there's still a middle ground of people who don't care that much that are older, they're a variable as well.

and herein lies the problem in any poll.

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Fine by me, but yes it is a fun game. I'd look up some of the music.

Breath of Fire 4 - Men of War
Breath of Fire 4 - Thousand Wings

Interesting themes indeed, I might request a gif. for lulz to say the least, Brood Ryu looks awesome

 

[Starphoenix]

Eh, I'm sure this will all subside Star. No need to go all Seppuku on us now.

Yes, in order to rectify my mistakes I shall now disembowel myself with my mouse. lol

Unlike some users here I can actually admit my mistakes and act civil. Just because it is the internet does not mean people do not still deserve respect.

Interesting themes indeed, I might request a gif. for lulz to say the least, Brood Ryu looks awesome

Which one?

Forgot the one on the end to the right. He doesn't exist... >_>

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yes, in order to rectify my mistakes I shall now disembowel myself with my mouse. lol

Unlike some users here I can actually admit my mistakes and act civil. Just because it is the internet does not mean people do not still deserve respect.

Agreed and who are you referring to? ahem.....

@omega- I would like to see mewtwo as well. melee did him no justice... (and I know that lucario's character design generally beats mewtwo's... hehehe)

The design aspect works better for Lucario, but moveset-wise mewtwo would probably be more interesting, not to mention is probably more popular amongst fans as well.

 

[Steam]

The design aspect works better for Lucario, but moveset-wise mewtwo would probably be more interesting, not to mentioned is more popular amongst fans as well.

I was talking about design as in lucario would likely have a competitive advantage at least in a head to head matchup. XD

but both are pretty interesting moveset wise (assuming mewtwo is redone) and mewtwo is probably only more popular with the fans who have been fans for a long time. the newer ones will probably like the newer gens more. Lucario/Zoroark is/are basically today's 10 year old's mewtwo. except not an anti-hero/villain. maybe the "villain" could be zoroark? IDK Zoroark didn't really seem to take off at any level.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Which one?

Forgot the one on the end to the right. He doesn't exist... >_>

Well...Brood Ryu of course, it would be nice if I had that girl in the middle as an avi though.

 

[Starphoenix]

Well...Brood Ryu of course, it would be nice if I had that girl in the middle as an avi though.

You do realize every one of those guys ARE Ryu...? Each one comes from a different game.

4-2-1-3-5

 

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Unlike some users here I can actually admit my mistakes and act civil. Just because it is the internet does not mean people do not still deserve respect.

Agreed, sorry everyone if it seemed like I was flaming a few posts ago. I was just trying to use show some opinions beyond our own, and I never would have posted it if I had know it would start another flame war.

As for the Pokemon debate, I'm neutral on it; mostly because as stated, it all comes down to whats popular in Japan and the opinions of us overseas don't matter that much to begin with.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Star: Ha!, I thought as much, I really need to play BoF 5 or any of the older ones. <_<

Anyway how about an avi? any would be nice!

 

[Steam]

don't worry about it guy with dashes for a name, most of the problem is me getting defensive... lol XD

but I will agree one thing we've all been overlooking is Japanese popularity. It's how Lucas got in at all

 

[OmegaXXII]

As for the Pokemon debate, I'm neutral on it; mostly because as stated, it all comes down to whats popular in Japan and the opinions of us overseas don't matter that much to begin with.

Yes, I learned to settle down a bit when it comes to such debates, I took the advice from Star though, emotions tend to get in the way at times, but it's hard when people just don't seem to understand the points you're trying to get across. <_>

 

[Starphoenix]

@Star: Ha!, I thought as much, I really need to play BoF 5 or any of the older ones. <_<

Ewww, don't play 5. It is the black sheep of the series for a reason...

Breath of Fire 2 is available on the Virtual Console, Breath of Fire 4 will be available on PSN this week, Breath of Fire 3 is available for the PSP, but you'll have to order it from Amazon as it was only released in Europe. Don't let that discourage you as it is actually quite easy to find online stateside. Plus PSP is not region locked, otherwise I wouldn't have purchased it for my PSP.

The original Breath of Fire is the only one not readily available through modern means, fortunately I still own an SNES, so I escape that pothole. Playing Earthbound, Yoshi's Island, and Breath of Fire are never an issue for me. lol

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[Starphoenix]

Capcom can't seem to escape this formula, eh Link can't either.

Civil? Internet? 4chan? Laugh now?

I don't care, as long as this is the beginning of Capcom supporting this series I'm happy. But there is fear, I don't wish for them to experiment too much as to avoid another awful game like that title known as Dragons Quarters...

Just give me Brood Ryu for UMvC:AE!