New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Supermodel From Paris]

Reading this thread is like brain cancer

 

[Berserker.]

I think we should stop talking about Rosalina since it's really obvious that she won't make it in SSB 4.

 

[Bassoonist]

I don't agree with Rosalina being in the game nor do I want to see her in, but what makes spin-offs Toad/Bowser Jr. appears in so different from Rosalina?

The thing is we're not talking about spin-off games, or at least I am not. Toad and Bowser Jr. have had several appearances in the canon Mario series. Toad has been there since the beginning, and Bowser Jr. has been a recurring antagonist in a lot of main Mario games since Super Mario Sunshine.

I'm sure that's what people said about Daisy after the first Mario Tennis game

Daisy still hasn't appeared in any canon games since Super Mario Land. Nothing has changed.

I'm not following how relevance is the deciding factor here.

When choosing characters to a specific series, it would seem that Sakurai chooses characters that are most relevant to their respective series most of the time. The only exception has been Melee's clones and Sheik (who is a special character anyway). Also the Pokemon, but they're also a special case.

 

[majora_787]

I'm not trying to debate. I'm simply stating my feelings. Again, I don't feel that Ridley's size is a factor here. He would be wonky and not feel correct in the smash universe. y u so uptight

Not feel CORRECT? We have a character to fit almost every deffinition of 'wonky' there is. Doesn't FIT? <_< He's from a series that is already represented. And he's the main reocurring antagonist, he deserves a spot in one game minimum.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I think we should stop talking about Rosalina since it's really obvious that she won't make it in SSB 4.

Not as a separate character anyway. Maybe an alternate outfit for Peach, but that's about it.

The same goes for Daisy too, since she's mostly a spin-off character, just like someone else that we know and love (or loathe).

 

[Thino]

Reading this thread is like brain cancer

and we are still only 2012 , just wait , its gonna get better

When choosing characters to a specific series, it would seem that Sakurai chooses characters that are most relevant to their respective series most of the time. The only exception has been Melee's clones and Sheik (who is a special character anyway). Also the Pokemon, but they're also a special case.

bolded is the EXACT reason why I don' t think relevance should be used as a SURE way to determine that Rosalina will not make it to SSB4

 

[Deleted member]

I'm starting to have a feeling that that guy only registered here to discuss Smash Bros. Wii U, and his obsession with Rosalina.

Wake up fella. Rosalina will probably be made as an alternate outfit for Peach, and that's that.

Trust me, we're going to have much worse then this. I've seen stuff on IGN that makes Rosalina_suporter look like a genius.

The thing is we're not talking about spin-off games, or at least I am not. Toad and Bowser Jr. have had several appearances in the canon Mario series. Toad has been there since the beginning, and Bowser Jr. has been a recurring antagonist in a lot of main Mario games since Super Mario Sunshine.

I asked that because I don't understand why you would ignore zap tackle's Toad's posts on games Toad has appeared in even thought he listed quite a few of spin-offs yet you consider it irrelevant for Rosalina to have appeared in Mario Kart Wii. Why bring this up now and not earlier (Or have you already brought it up against zap tackle?)?

 

[Thino]

Trust me, we're going to have much worse then this. I've seen stuff on IGN that makes Rosalina_suporter look like a genius.

I definitely cannot wait.

 

[Hoots]

I think relevance shouldn't entirely matter. The most recent DK game was DKCR and Tiki Tong or Tak or whatever the f*ck his name was was the villain. Does that mean he is more deserving than K Rool? No. DK fans will want K Rool no matter how 'irrelevant' he becomes because he is the TRUE villain of the DK franchise. Just because developers can f*ck up horribly does not mean it should determine smash eligibility. I mean, the most recent Metroid game, Other M, Ridley looks like a purple Woody Woodpecker, completely neutering the character of all menace. Does this Ridley's 'relevance' mean that we SHOULD get Woody Woodpecker in Smash 4 vs badass Ridley? I certainly hope not.

 

[Berserker.]

Trust me, we're going to have much worse then this. I've seen stuff on IGN that makes Rosalina_suporter look like a genius.

Don't worry. We saw this coming.

We have to put an FAQ to avoid the same questions and some other dumb suggestions

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Trust me, we're going to have much worse then this. I've seen stuff on IGN that makes Rosalina_suporter look like a genius.

I definitely cannot wait.

Yeah there will be picks that will be much more stupid than what has been discussed here recently.

If anyone mentions about a generic enemy, such as a Goomba, being playable, give that person a cream pie on the face.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

I can't change my user name, and i cant make a new acount so im stuck with this one lol..

I don't care who gets in im just exsited to have a new ssb in a few year's.


I'f she can get in as a Assist trophy that would be cool to, then all of my supporting her would be worth something.

I don't think she's a stupid idea i just...I just wanted to suggest some one new is all..

 

[OmegaXXII]

Not as a separate character anyway. Maybe an alternate outfit for Peach, but that's about it.

The same goes for Daisy too, since she's mostly a spin-off character, just like someone else that we know and love (or loathe).

Agreed, Rosalina would at most be an Assist trophy of some sort or possibly a palette swap, Daisy lives within Peach so there.

You guys better settle down a bit, it's getting awfully loud in here, there's no dojo yet nor is it 2012/2013 yet.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I think relevance shouldn't entirely matter. The most recent DK game was DKCR and Tiki Tong or Tak or whatever the f*ck his name was was the villain. Does that mean he is more deserving than K Rool? No. DK fans will want K Rool no matter how 'irrelevant' he becomes because he is the TRUE villain of the DK franchise. Just because developers can f*ck up horribly does not mean it should determine smash eligibility. I mean, the most recent Metroid game, Other M, Ridley looks like a purple Woody Woodpecker, completely neutering the character of all menace. Does this Ridley's 'relevance' mean that we SHOULD get Woody Woodpecker in Smash 4 vs badass Ridley? I certainly hope not.

Tiki Tong could always be made into a boss for Adventure Mode. Woody is a cartoon character, so he's got a less than 0% chance of making the cut; basically, you won't have to worry about him.

I can't change my user name, and i cant make a new acount so im stuck with this one lol..

I don't care who gets in im just exsited to have a new ssb in a few year's.

Yeah this isn't Kitty Corp.. Over there, you can change the name that gets displayed on your posts.

 

[Bassoonist]

bolded is the EXACT reason why I don' t think relevance should be used as a SURE way to determine that Rosalina will not make it to SSB4

Well, I just don't see how Rosalina would be so interesting to Sakurai to make her a character despite the odds. She just doesn't seem like the kind of character that he would surprise us with.

I asked that because I don't understand why you would ignore zap tackle's Toad's posts on games Toad has appeared in even thought he listed quite a few of spin-offs yet you consider it irrelevant for Rosalina to have appeared in Mario Kart Wii. Why bring this up now and not earlier (Or have you already brought it up against zap tackle?)?

I don't remember reading those posts, so that's why I didn't bring it up.

@Mario_and_Sonic_Guy Reread Hoots post. They weren't actually talking about Woody Woodpecker.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@Mario_and_Sonic_Guy Reread Hoots post. They weren't actually talking about Woody Woodpecker.

Well he was being referenced during the Ridley discussion.

 

[Hoots]

Woody is a cartoon character, so he's got a less than 0% chance of making the cut; basically, you won't have to worry about him.

I meant... nevermind.

 

[Deleted member]

I think relevance shouldn't entirely matter. The most recent DK game was DKCR and Tiki Tong or Tak or whatever the f*ck his name was was the villain. Does that mean he is more deserving than K Rool? No. DK fans will want K Rool no matter how 'irrelevant' he becomes because he is the TRUE villain of the DK franchise. Just because developers can f*ck up horribly does not mean it should determine smash eligibility. I mean, the most recent Metroid game, Other M, Ridley looks like a purple Woody Woodpecker, completely neutering the character of all menace. Does this Ridley's 'relevance' mean that we SHOULD get Woody Woodpecker in Smash 4 vs badass Ridley? I certainly hope not.

This. Sakurai has said nothing about relevance determining whenever or not a character gets in the game and based off the fact that Dixie Kong was planned for Brawl, it probably isn't.

Even if it does matter, for Dixie Kong and King K. Rool, both appeared in a spin-off game in 2009 (Mario Super Sluggers) which was successful in Japan and North America (Despite a lack of release outside of those two countries).

I don't remember reading those posts, so that's why I didn't bring it up.

Zap tackle brought it up here:

- a green Toad seems to be a new partner in Paper Mario 3DS (a first for the series)
- Toad is the only newcomer from the Mario series in Mario Sports Mix
- Mini-Toads in the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series

Not to mention his future appearances:
-Toad is playable in Mario Party 9
-Appears as a starter in Mario Kart 3DS
-He apparently has an important role in Luigi's Mansion 2 by seeking ghosts with Luigi.

 

[Conviction]

Also, he defeated himself in his own argument by saying, "well the game is called super mario galaxy, not super rosalina galaxy". Just because game title doesn't have a the character's name in it doesn't mean that character can't be playable or play an important role.

Bowser is important but the game isn't called super bowser galaxy now is it? Bad argument is bad. The game titles (many) without having the main character(s) name in it.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Also, he defeated himself in his own argument by saying, "well the game is called super mario galaxy, not super rosalina galaxy". Just because game title doesn't have a the character's name in it doesn't mean that character can't be playable or play an important role.

Bowser is important but the game isn't called super bowser galaxy now is it? Bad argument is bad. The game titles (many) without having the main character(s) name in it.

Yeah whenever people contradict their own statements, it makes them feel like complete idiots. I should know, because I've done some stupid things during the Brawl discussions.

 

[majora_787]

I do that sometimes whenever my responses drag on. After too long of a post, I forget what I was saying and just start rambling.

 

[OmegaXXII]

And most games never even have the protagonist title at all. Sorry Rosalina, use logic before posting.

 

[User33]

Just because developers can f*ck up horribly does not mean it should determine smash eligibility.

Donkey Kong Returns was incredibly well received and sold very well, so saying that the developers "f*cked up horribly" is pretty hilarious.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

And most games never even have the protagonist title at all. Sorry Rosalina, use logic before posting.

Whenever you see the name "Mario" in a game name. Mario is almost always the main protagonist.

However, in "Donkey Kong", Donkey Kong was the antagonist, NOT the protagonist.

 

[kackamee]

The only reason I think Ridley wasn't in SSBB as a playable character is because Sakurai may have thought he would just be better as a boss.
There honestly isn't a reason he wouldn't be a playable character in SSBU.

Unless they made another awesome cutscene like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHcb9eA03zE

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Whenever you see the name "Mario" in a game name. Mario is almost always the main protagonist.

However, in "Donkey Kong", Donkey Kong was the antagonist, NOT the protagonist.

Ummm unlike zelda, the games called "legend of zelda" but you never get to play her what a shame lol

 

[majora_787]

Sakurai stated that if they tried, they could make him work, but they didn't want to try. But the thing is, what they "feel like trying" is a little less important than fan demand when it comes to making a popular fanservice fighting game. <_<

 

[Hoots]

Donkey Kong Returns was incredibly well received and sold very well, so saying that the developers "f*cked up horribly" is pretty hilarious.

Sure it was a good platformer but it wasn't a DK game. They slapped DK and Diddy onto a Mario physics engine, scrapped many staples of the DKC games that made them so memorable, and cut KREMLINGS. And I am being more generous than a lot of DK fans that I've talked to. Im saying they made a fun game, and kept most of the DKC1 soundtrack, but they DID f*ck up horribly in continuing the DK franchise overall. A lot of people liked Other M (Maybe? I think?), but does that mean that Ridley doesn't look hilariously dumb?

 

[User33]

Sure it was a good platformer but it wasn't a DK game. They slapped DK and Diddy onto a Mario physics engine, scrapped many staples of the DKC games that made them so memorable, and cut KREMLINGS. And I am being more generous than a lot of DK fans that I've talked to. Im saying they made a fun game, and kept most of the DKC1 soundtrack, but they DID f*ck up horribly in continuing the DK franchise overall. A lot of people liked Other M (Maybe? I think?), but does that mean that Ridley doesn't look hilariously dumb?

Other M was very poorly received and sold very poorly. A sharp contrast compared to Donkey Kong Returns. Nintendo is very happy with DKR's success.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Other M was very poorly received and sold very poorly. A sharp contrast compared to Donkey Kong Returns. Nintendo is very happy with DKR's success.

I wonder if we will get any thing from other M put in ssb?


Like a level or something?

 

[Deleted member]

Other M was very poorly received and sold very poorly. A sharp contrast compared to Donkey Kong Returns. Nintendo is very happy with DKR's success.

You're a hypocrite. Saying that Metroid: Other M was received very poorly and sold very poorly is a huge exaggeration. The game sold well and fare better with critics then most Wii games.

 

[vVv Rapture]

Well, Dead or Alive for the 3DS had that Geothermal stage with Ridley in it. I don't see why not, but there are so many other good places Metroid provides that it seems illogical to put an Other M stage in there.

I mean, Chozo Temple from Tallon IV, Tourian from Zebes, the BSL from Metroid Fusion. Metroid has a lot of great locations...the Bottle Ship from Other M really isn't one of them.

A Phendrana Drifts stage would be pretty legit, as well. Other M wasn't necessarily a bad game, it's just probably one of the worst of an otherwise amazing franchise. Being the worst of the best isn't really the worst thing in the world.

 

[Steam]

FOR A WII GAME, other M was like the secondcomming of Jesus. jussayin.

 

[Hoots]

Other M was very poorly received and sold very poorly. A sharp contrast compared to Donkey Kong Returns. Nintendo is very happy with DKR's success.

Regardless, commercial success doesn't mean that they did justice to the source material. Ergo, to adequately represent the DK franchise would not be to focus on DKCR because that game was hardly a DK title, no matter how well it sold.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I should probably mention some mechanics that should be adjusted...

Brawl has been infamous for random tripping. Tripping should be heavily fixed up so that it meets the following standards...

1: When attacked, players would only trip from low angled attacks; attacks that strike the feet.

2: Players would only trip randomly while on slippery terrain. The Ice Climbers would be immune to this scenario, thanks to their footwear.

3: Banana Peels can still be used to cause players to trip.

4: Tripping on normal terrain would be fully removed. Only the things mentioned above will lead to tripping.

 

[Steam]

oh you know nintendo, they'll find a way to work a gimmick into it. you'll probably have to use some motion control that moves your character's feet individually, and if their feet get too close they trip since they're all cartoon characters and have clown feet.

 

[Deleted member]

@Mario_And_Sonic_Guy: The only tripping should be Diddy's banana.

 

[Conviction]

Whenever you see the name "Mario" in a game name. Mario is almost always the main protagonist.

However, in "Donkey Kong", Donkey Kong was the antagonist, NOT the protagonist.

Check. He said most not all yo.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@Mario_And_Sonic_Guy: The only tripping should be Diddy's banana.

I did say banana peels. Slippery terrain would be an obvious spot to trip, especially in the real world.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

@Mario_And_Sonic_Guy: The only tripping should be Diddy's banana.

Yeah the tripping has got to stop.Every time i move i tripp lol

I sure hope he fixe's it in ssb.