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[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

I was speaking hypothetically. I still don't think Rosalina needs to get in over other characters, but it was just an example.

I agree with the fact that it is unrealistic for her to be her own separate character, however, I still feel that the other characters are equally unrealistic, referring to Toad and Ridley who seem to be the two most wanted characters in this thread (from what I've read.) I believe that there are other, more logical characters, to chose from.

 

[AN(M)ist]

This isn't about the USA, my argumen has been in context of the Japanese reception of the series and it's characters. That has been what I have debating, but everyone keeps going off on points that have no relevance to what I am even talking about.

i understand your point entirely, but to say that japanese poll will get priority over american poll isn't right imo. this game is not only for japanese audience.

 

[Bassoonist]

And i think is more important discuss the gameplay of ssb4 than the characters that would add.

Well, lets be honest, there isn't too much to discuss there.

All we know is the games that have come out since and around Brawl, and the role that characters have had in them. It's the only thing we really have to discuss right now.

 

[Thino]

I want my JPN to U.S language change option from melee back LOL.

HELL YEA , I wanted JPN Ike so badly because I really didnt wanna fight for my friends

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

well u must know then that the reasen ike got a sequel is because his first game sold so well in usa. its not frequent for fe characters to sequels unless there is something that compells them.

You know Ike with donuts head you own xD.... (I don't mean to mock you I just think this donuts head is awesome )....

What compels Ike :

1.I think Ike was made to give Fire Emblem a constant character.
2.I think Ike was made specially for SSB series (His ending prove something at least).
3.He was praised for Sword Skill.
4.He has something called Signature Move (Aether). which compels him alot.
5. considering Vanguard, he is the strongest Main protagonist.
6.He has a recognizable weapon.
7.He has the blue hair.
8.He ain't noble. (which shows some sort of a moral)
9.His clothes main color is Red and Blue (Mario-esque althou I doubt this one)
10.He is awesome.

 

[vVv Rapture]

I agree with the fact that it is unrealistic for her to be her own separate character, however, I still feel that the other characters are equally unrealistic, referring to Toad and Ridley who seem to be the two most wanted characters in this thread (from what I've read.) I believe that there are other, more logical characters, to chose from.

Eh, I disagree (obviously). I mean, I'm not a big Toad fan (but I wouldn't mind him being in, I guess), but Ridley not being playable, to me, seems really ridiculous at this point, simply because he's one of the few major Nintendo characters not yet playable, he can be re-sized, and Metroid definitely needs more representatives in the series.

I'd definitely say making Ridley playable would be a great choice on Sakurai's end, even making Dark Samus playable. I'd also love to see the SA-X as a boss or maybe even Mother Brain.

 

[Starphoenix]

i understand your point entirely, but to say that japanese poll will get priority over american poll isn't right imo. this game is not only for japanese audience.

Yes it does, Japan has always had priority when it comes to FE because it has the larger fanbase. And internationally both DS games have sold better than both Ike games, so don't over estimate your own fanbase. Plus, you have Ike,more than likely he isn't leaving. I don't understand what the point is in even fighting over this?

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Yes it does, Japan has always had priority when it comes to FE because it has the larger fanbase. And internationally both DS games have sold better than both Ike games, so don't over estimate your own fanbase. Plus, you have Ike,more than likely he isn't leaving. I don't understand what the point is in even fighting over this?

BTW you can't compare a handheld game to a console game.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Eh, I disagree (obviously). I mean, I'm not a big Toad fan (but I wouldn't mind him being in, I guess), but Ridley not being playable, to me, seems really ridiculous at this point, simply because he's one of the few major Nintendo characters not yet playable, he can be re-sized, and Metroid definitely needs more representatives in the series.

I'd definitely say making Ridley playable would be a great choice on Sakurai's end, even making Dark Samus playable. I'd also love to see the SA-X as a boss or maybe even Mother Brain.

For the like, fourth time, it's not a matter of his size. He would be so... wonky. I agree that Metroid needs more representation in the series, and I agree with the Dark Samus suggestion.

 

[Berserker.]

I agree with the fact that it is unrealistic for her to be her own separate character, however, I still feel that the other characters are equally unrealistic, referring to Toad and Ridley who seem to be the two most wanted characters in this thread (from what I've read.) I believe that there are other, more logical characters, to chose from.

Spoiler

Shhhh

I know you're trying to express your opinion and I respect it. Just watch what your typing (It's bolded). Just trying to warn you (Even if I support Toad lol).

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Spoiler

Shhhh

I know you're trying to express your opinion and I respect it. Just watch what your typing (It's bolded). Just trying to warn you (Even if I support Toad lol).

gshurale. I keep forgetting :X. Sorry sorry sorry sorry.

 

[Starphoenix]

BTW you can't compare a handheld game to a console game.

Why not? It is a part of the same series is it not? You can't discredit them just because you feel like it. Whether you admit it or not they are the most recent installments coming into this next Smash era and have sold relatively well.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

I was speaking hypothetically. I still don't think Rosalina needs to get in over other characters, but it was just an example.

Well think of it this way,what if the character's you want get in to ssb and she duess to?

Then its a win win situation.

I think she could get in but, thats just me.

I under stand where you are comeing from.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Why not? It is a part of the same series is it not? You can't discredit them just because you feel like it. Whether you admit it or not they are the most recent installments coming into this next Smash era and have sold relatively well.

People who owns a DS are far more than people who own a Wii and buying a console for one game isn't like buying a handheld....console purchase take more considerations.

and if they removed Ike I will become furious.... I will have to buy 3 installments of brawl just incase he wasn't included.

 

[Berserker.]

For the like, fourth time, it's not a matter of his size. He would be so... wonky. I agree that Metroid needs more representation in the series, and I agree with the Dark Samus suggestion.

Sounds like a good idea. It's just that looking Dark Samus, Sakurai might take advantage of the "Samus" in Dark Samus and clone her with Samus. The only difference is the name, damage or the speed of the attacks and specials.

 

[vVv Rapture]

For the like, fourth time, it's not a matter of his size. He would be so... wonky. I agree that Metroid needs more representation in the series, and I agree with the Dark Samus suggestion.

I'm not following how he would be "wonky" then, because you haven't explain why. You're just saying he'd be wonky.

EDIT: Yeah, unfortunately Dark Samus could easily just be a clone, but DS is actually really different than Samus in combat.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Well think of it this way,what if the character's you want get in to ssb and she duess to?

Then its a win win situation.

I think she could get in but, thats just me.

I under stand where you are comeing from.

The only circumstance that I think Rosalina would get in is as an alternate costume for Peach. I don't think she has any real moves that could be derived from Galaxy, seeing as she doesn't do like... anything, however, this could be a scenario like Captain Falcon you know? He drove a "car" but is now a successful character with an interesting moveset.

@Above: Well, he'd be flying all over the place, his moves would be awkward in that they'd be pretty long ranged. He'd be OP I think. I think he'd be best as a boss for the reason being that in Metroid he flys all over the place and is pretty hard to fight. I think nerfing him down to the point that he is a playable character would be a slap in the face to metroid fans in that it wouldn't be what they'd expect. That's just my perspective as a metroid fan.

Dark Samus could be interesting. Dark Zero Suit samus could be even MORE interesting. In terms of combat, DS is completely different than regular samus, and I can see her as being a character in SSB4.

 

[Starphoenix]

People who owns a DS are far more than people who own a Wii and buying a console for one game isn't like buying a handheld....console purchase take more considerations.

Oh.... My... Goodness...

Let me just tell you, that is a very weak argument. You are trying to take away from the debate at hand by focusing onto a point that is irrelevant. This isn't like other series such as Mario or Zelda where their portable outings were spin offs. These are full titles.

Just a tip, a better argument would have been to attack them for being remakes. Even then it is still moot as the original titles were never outside of Japan. And they still remain the most recent installments.

 

[metaivan]

Well, lets be honest, there isn't too much to discuss there.

All we know is the games that have come out since and around Brawl, and the role that characters have had in them. It's the only thing we really have to discuss right now.

yah man :/ but i really wish another melee.

 

[Thino]

a character moveset is something that is totally possible to do from scratch @Rosalina and Toad naysayers

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Oh.... My... Goodness...

Let me just tell you, that is a very weak argument. You are trying to take away from the debate at hand by focusing onto a point that is irrelevant. This isn't like other series such as Mario or Zelda where their portable outings were spin offs. These are full titles.

You are just being pessimistic, have some faith in your main character.

 

[Conviction]

Pretty sure snake should have been "wonky" in ssb but look at him.

 

[Bassoonist]

a character moveset is something that is totally possible to do from scratch @Rosalina and Toad naysayers

But Rosalina still has no real chance of being playable. There are quite a few Mario characters that would get in before her.

Whether or not she has moveset potential is irrelevant.

 

[AN(M)ist]

Yes it does, Japan has always had priority when it comes to FE because it has the larger fanbase. And internationally both DS games have sold better than both Ike games, so don't over estimate your own fanbase. Plus...

nothing very particular to fight for. fe is still relatively new in usa so ofcourse japan will have bigger fanbase. but you're right. lets not argue over fe anymore. i'm glad actually that marth's story got a remake. i wanted his series next to ike's.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Know that would be a cool costume but, they would need to add the hair not just the dress.

She could be a Caption Falcon go from doing nothing, to somthing.Im sure that sakurai could,could make her a succsseful character with a moveset to boot.Only time well tell i guess!

 

[Berserker.]

The only circumstance that I think Rosalina would get in is as an alternate costume for Peach. I don't think she has any real moves that could be derived from Galaxy, seeing as she doesn't do like... anything, however, this could be a scenario like Captain Falcon you know? He drove a "car" but is now a successful character with an interesting moveset.

@Above: Well, he'd be flying all over the place, his moves would be awkward in that they'd be pretty long ranged. He'd be OP I think. I think he'd be best as a boss for the reason being that in Metroid he flys all over the place and is pretty hard to fight. I think nerfing him down to the point that he is a playable character would be a slap in the face to metroid fans in that it wouldn't be what they'd expect. That's just my perspective as a metroid fan.

Dark Samus could be interesting. Dark Zero Suit samus could be even MORE interesting. In terms of combat, DS is completely different than regular samus, and I can see her as being a character in SSB4.

Someone who I know already posted a moveset for Ridley. I don't know where it is in the old SSB 4 discussion. It was a long time ago :/

 

[Starphoenix]

You are just being pessimistic, have some faith in your main character.

Pessimistic about what? I said he is mot likely STAYING for the next installment of Smash. My only problem has been with the Black Knight, Ashnard, Sothe, Miciah topics.

Goodness, it is time for me to go to work...

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Someone who I know already posted a moveset for Ridley. I don't know where it is in the old SSB 4 discussion. It was a long time ago :/

Ridley won't have a chance, if he had one he would've been in Brawl.

 

[Conviction]

I'm sure they would someone in samsh before rosalina, toad probably being one of them LOL.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Pessimistic about what? I said he is mot likely STAYING for the next installment of Smash. My only problem has been with the Black Knight, Ashnard, Sothe, Miciah topics.

Goodness, it is time for me to go to work...

Well I don't care all I want is have Vanguard Ike , Sorry if i got on your nerves I become aggressive sometimes. (Gomenesai!!!)

 

[Ganonsburg]

I just wanted to mention something about the Mario franchise debate a while back. Basically, even though DK and Wario have their own games and series now, it doesn't also mean that they don't belong to the Mario series (although DK I don't think I've seen DK in a Mario game for a while...I honestly don't know much about Mario games). I mean, Luigi has his own game/series, but he's still a Mario character. Likewise, Tingle even has his own freaking game, but he's still part of the Zelda series.

Bringing me to my next point. The Zelda series has been around almost as long as the Mario series and earns Nintendo almost as much money. Pokemon hasn't been around quite as long, but it too earns Nintendo about as much money. Both of these series have four characters (well, more if you count transformations). However, the Mario series already has 8 characters. I really doubt we'll be seeing any more Mario characters, especially ones that haven't done anything significant recently (Toad, Bowser Jr.).

 

[vVv Rapture]

@Above: Well, he'd be flying all over the place, his moves would be awkward in that they'd be pretty long ranged. He'd be OP I think. I think he'd be best as a boss for the reason being that in Metroid he flys all over the place and is pretty hard to fight. I think nerfing him down to the point that he is a playable character would be a slap in the face to metroid fans in that it wouldn't be what they'd expect. That's just my perspective as a metroid fan.

Dark Samus could be interesting. Dark Zero Suit samus could be even MORE interesting. In terms of combat, DS is completely different than regular samus, and I can see her as being a character in SSB4.

Eh, as a Metroid fan as well, I really think having the character playable is much more important than the fact that they were nerfed to be playable in the first place. To put that in perspective, I don't think any Metroid fan has said Samus shouldn't be playable because of how immensely nerfed she was to be in the series (if she wasn't, she'd essentially murder everything and never take much damage at all in any of her fights).

Dark Samus could definitely have a cool style of combat, but yeah they'd have to work her to make sure it wouldn't be to OP (DS is a her, by the way).

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

I just wanted to mention something about the Mario franchise debate a while back. Basically, even though DK and Wario have their own games and series now, it doesn't also mean that they don't belong to the Mario series (although DK I don't think I've seen DK in a Mario game for a while...I honestly don't know much about Mario games). I mean, Luigi has his own game/series, but he's still a Mario character. Likewise, Tingle even has his own freaking game, but he's still part of the Zelda series.

Bringing me to my next point. The Zelda series has been around almost as long as the Mario series and earns Nintendo almost as much money. Pokemon hasn't been around quite as long, but it too earns Nintendo about as much money. Both of these series have four characters (well, more if you count transformations). However, the Mario series already has 8 characters. I really doubt we'll be seeing any more Mario characters, especially ones that haven't done anything significant recently (Toad, Bowser Jr.).

Luigi's series was made in the same world as Mario's.

 

[Conviction]

Well I don't care all I want is have Vanguard Ike , Sorry if i got on your nerves I become aggressive sometimes. (Gomenesai!!!)

...ahhh

It annoys me when people pronounce/spell japanese words wrong.

Its gomenasai.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Eh, as a Metroid fan as well, I really think having the character playable is much more important than the fact that they were nerfed to be playable in the first place. To put that in perspective, I don't think any Metroid fan has said Samus shouldn't be playable because of how immensely nerfed she was to be in the series (if she wasn't, she'd essentially murder everything and never take much damage at all in any of her fights).

Dark Samus could definitely have a cool style of combat, but yeah they'd have to work her to make sure it wouldn't be to OP (DS is a her, by the way).

I see what you're saying about samus, running around obliterating everything , so I guess I change my mind from against ridley to indifferent towards ridley, but I'd still like to see ridley as a boss. DS would be as op as samus would have been, if not more. I'm sure Sakurai can work something out to have DS playable.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

...ahhh

It annoys me when people pronounce/spell japanese words wrong.

Its gomenasai.

Sememasei Iblis-Sensei .

 

[Bassoonist]

Know that would be a cool costume but, they would need to add the hair not just the dress.

She could be a Caption Falcon go from doing nothing, to somthing.Im sure that sakurai could,could make her a succsseful character with a moveset to boot.Only time well tell i guess!

Don't count on it, at all.

I'm telling you this because you're already really hyped about it and we likely won't know any characters until a year from now or possibly even later. By the time the final roster is leaked to us and Rosalina isn't on there you will be burnt out because you had been hoping she would be in for so long.

 

[Thino]

But Rosalina still has no real chance of being playable. There are quite a few Mario characters that would get in before her.

Whether or not she has moveset potential is irrelevant.

based on what? popularity?

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

based on what? popularity?

You know what, don't base it on anything please just write your dream rooster or dream character moveset, sakurai has no base until now.

 

[Bassoonist]

based on what? popularity?

Relevance to her series.

She's in two games altogether, and really isn't all of that special. There are so many Mario characters that would get in much sooner than her such as Toad, Bowser Jr., and even Paper Mario. If we went further than three new Mario characters than you might start talking, but I seriously doubt that will happen. Brawl added none.