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Master Fist
Smash Rookie
So I seem to be getting worse at Brawl and my friend seems to be improving, I was once able to beat him with no problems even when he used his main character (Meta Knight) but now I only beat him like 60% of the time if I make it to a 1 on 1 at all. Because we usually have me, him and two level 7-9 coms which even end up killing me sometimes before I even get to the 1 on 1 with my friend part.
Long story short, which is perhaps the best character to master (preferably with a sword because I'm a fanboy
) against a Meta Knight user who tends to just spot dodge and down smash when underpressure?
P.S. I hate Meta Knight's down smash.
Long story short, which is perhaps the best character to master (preferably with a sword because I'm a fanboy
) against a Meta Knight user who tends to just spot dodge and down smash when underpressure?P.S. I hate Meta Knight's down smash.
How about Meta Knight?
Marth, his forward air has enough range to space out the down smash.So I seem to be getting worse at Brawl and my friend seems to be improving, I was once able to beat him with no problems even when he used his main character (Meta Knight) but now I only beat him like 60% of the time if I make it to a 1 on 1 at all. Because we usually have me, him and two level 7-9 coms which even end up killing me sometimes before I even get to the 1 on 1 with my friend part.
Long story short, which is perhaps the best character to master (preferably with a sword because I'm a fanboy
P.S. I hate Meta Knight's down smash.
Browny
Smash Hater
if by outspace, you mean simply not be in metaknights range when he dsmashes, and then land an attack on him during his lag, yeah marths fair can work... so can falcons bair and almost every aerial for that matter :/
if hes spamming dsmash while under pressure you probably want a character who can punish the dsmash on block... Snake does that too well :O
if hes spamming dsmash while under pressure you probably want a character who can punish the dsmash on block... Snake does that too well :O
I'm pretty sure MK beats all other swordsmen except himself. Picking up MK is your best bet.Long story short, which is perhaps the best character to master (preferably with a sword because I'm a fanboy
P.S. I hate Meta Knight's down smash.
B!squick
Smash Master
Buffering is when you input another, say, attack or whatever, before the one you're currently doing ends. You'll do the buffered attack as soon as you are able.
Samus is the slowest clocking in at 44 frames. Bowser is a distant second worst at 39 frames.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510&highlight=frame
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Ok, first let's list all the sword characters:So I seem to be getting worse at Brawl and my friend seems to be improving, I was once able to beat him with no problems even when he used his main character (Meta Knight) but now I only beat him like 60% of the time if I make it to a 1 on 1 at all. Because we usually have me, him and two level 7-9 coms which even end up killing me sometimes before I even get to the 1 on 1 with my friend part.
Long story short, which is perhaps the best character to master (preferably with a sword because I'm a fanboy
P.S. I hate Meta Knight's down smash.
MK
Marth
Link
Toon Link
Pit
Ike
Marth gets shutdown by MK for the most part, his existence is what stops Marth from being a top tier character. Toon Link is also greatly held down by MK's existence and suffers from a difficult matchup against him.
Link and Ike are bad characters in general and pretty much get ***** by MK.
I don't know much about Pit, but last i checked the matchup was pretty highly in favor of MK.
The only characters who can really hold their own against MK besides himself are Diddy, Snake, and Wario IMO. And even then, they are disadvantageous matchups.
llamapaste
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^ Ice Climbers, Pika, and other characters also can do well against MK though.
But are they as close to even as Snake/Diddy/Wario? No they are not, they all have exploitable weaknesses of their own, compared to Snake/Diddy/Wario's hard-to-exploit weaknesses... Even Kirby can do great against MK (bair goes through MK's aerials, fsmash breaks all Mk's specials, Kirby can actually gimp MK at low %s while he tries to grab the ledge if the player outpredicts the MK well enough), but he suffers from getting dair camped.
B!squick
Smash Master
But don't most characters though?
Well, yeah, but that's Kirby's nastiest weakness when playing against MK... At least, out of all my MK experiences it's the only thing that really makes the matchup annoying. Everything else Kirby has an answer to, but dair camping requires precise spacing (hitting with the tippy top of his uair while watching out for MK's dair), which is immensely hard to do during a tough match. I just wanted to state Kirby's pros and worst con vs MK. :/
omega zero
Smash Cadet
I'm wondering if there any worthwhile Third-Party Gamecube Controllers which work with Brawl.
wiitubeaccount
Smash Apprentice
how do i stop d3 from grabbing my marth every time i land?
don't land in his grab range. you can space your aerials on his shield so that you hit it while you are out of his grab range. Using platforms is another option.
If landing outside of his grab range isn't an option try and go for the ledge , even if you are on stage initially. He can't grab you if you are there.
If landing outside of his grab range isn't an option try and go for the ledge , even if you are on stage initially. He can't grab you if you are there.
Never use your second jump against D3 unless you HAVE to.
Ol-Jeb
Smash Apprentice
Are there any particularly good D3 strategies against Sonic? There isn't much info on the topic on the D3 forums (that I can find anyway). I don't have much trouble beating him but my friend who mains him is pretty much stuck in a strategy against me that only works about 30% of the time and I'm trying to level his Sonic so he will at least try to get better.
any thoughts?
any thoughts?
I'm having trouble choosing a main, and I want to become one of the top players but I keep resetting my abilities by switching mains and getting frustrated with character weaknesses.
How do I choose my main and stick with him alone for years to come?
Hearing from players who have stuck with their characters since the beginning of success in competitive brawl would be the best right now.
P.S. the only good players I practice with regularly are a sheik player and a mario/g&w player. TonyGuacamole and A2Z.
Also...there are never tournaments in my area and I don't have a ride or time on my hands often. I'm at UCSB.
Someone please gimme a gameplan for becoming a top player.
How do I choose my main and stick with him alone for years to come?
Hearing from players who have stuck with their characters since the beginning of success in competitive brawl would be the best right now.
P.S. the only good players I practice with regularly are a sheik player and a mario/g&w player. TonyGuacamole and A2Z.
Also...there are never tournaments in my area and I don't have a ride or time on my hands often. I'm at UCSB.
Someone please gimme a gameplan for becoming a top player.
mventre
Smash Apprentice
I have a question about SDI
Basically, when are you suppose to use SDI? Are you suppose to SDI on multi-hit moves, i.e, Snake's nair? I understand the concept of altering your trajectory (TDI) and momentum cancelling. I understand that you use the c-stick for SDI. I guess I am kind of confused on the best situations to use SDI or a combination of both SDI and TDI. Any help? Thanks guys
EDIT: also, when you SDI do you simply tap and hold the c-stick in a certain direction or should you smash the c-stick in the direction?
Basically, when are you suppose to use SDI? Are you suppose to SDI on multi-hit moves, i.e, Snake's nair? I understand the concept of altering your trajectory (TDI) and momentum cancelling. I understand that you use the c-stick for SDI. I guess I am kind of confused on the best situations to use SDI or a combination of both SDI and TDI. Any help? Thanks guys
EDIT: also, when you SDI do you simply tap and hold the c-stick in a certain direction or should you smash the c-stick in the direction?
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Smash DI gives you an instantaneous movement in the direction you Smash DI. It can be done with both the control stick and the c stick. It's best use is to escape multihit attacks, because you can use the movement to avoid being hit by the other hits. You're probably going to want to mash the stick to SDI out of a multihit move because you may need more than one SDI, or you may suck at timing.
For more info:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=155409
For more info:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=155409
mventre
Smash Apprentice
Thanks so much SCOTU! I'm going to read through this thread to get an in-depth understanding
infomon
Smash Scientist
Switching mains shouldn't be resetting your abilities; that's your first problem right there.
Sure, the most basic level of play is adjusting to the characters' different movesets, but you can do that somewhat simply by playing against the characters, not just using them. And having picked up a character once should help you fight against that char, because you know in what situations they make themselves vulnerable; their movesets and the spacings of their attacks, which combos you can expect they'll go for, etc.
What you reeeeally want to spend your time focussing on, is learning to read your opponents, seeing their habits and breaking them, learning to set up traps etc..... these are super important in Brawl, and they're also universal to fighting games, and they're absolutely essential to becoming a top player. WiFi helps for this; although it can mess up your timing a bunch it's more important to use it to learn what sort of traps the different characters have, and allows you to learn to read different people who have different playing styles. Even just, knowing when to walk instead of run, not to stand in place + roll all the time, hold your character back and watch the opponent's movements......
HTH.
Jane
Smash Hero
thats really great advice, infzy 
Avenger7x
Smash Cadet
Do the brawl boards have a thread devoted to ATs and the like, similar to one posted by AlphaZealot for melee? I've searched and searched for a similar thread but haven't seen one. Don't kill me if I'm overlooking it. I figured it would be stickied or something. Thanx.
Sadly there are no ATs in Brawl.
But maybe you're talking about a thread like this :
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=227773
What I mean is that you should worry about being good rather than being better than the others. Like, knowing the game mechanics, how each character behaves and everything Infzy said about reading instead of wanting to kick everyone's ***.
But to answer your question : if you want to have a main and stick with him then accept his weaknesses and hide them behind his strenghts (or pick a secondary if some character can exploit his weaknesses too easily).
Because you should focus on what you have instead of being eternally unsatisfied.
But maybe you're talking about a thread like this :
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=227773
I think you're doing things wrong : being a top player is a result, not a goal.
What I mean is that you should worry about being good rather than being better than the others. Like, knowing the game mechanics, how each character behaves and everything Infzy said about reading instead of wanting to kick everyone's ***.
But to answer your question : if you want to have a main and stick with him then accept his weaknesses and hide them behind his strenghts (or pick a secondary if some character can exploit his weaknesses too easily).
Because you should focus on what you have instead of being eternally unsatisfied.
infomon
Smash Scientist
for the record, I very disagree.
There are a few general subsets of AT-related areas (ex. momentum-cancelling, techs-involving-items, etc.), but then there's a bajillion random situational character-specific nonsense that ppl need to know.
well, not rly for some chars (ex. G&W), but some chars have tons of ridiculous nonsense, ex. sonic, yoshi, pit, diddy, etc.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
To the guy that keeps getting frustrated with characters, play metaknight.
Anonymous Brawler
Smash Journeyman
I think that MK would make him gay instead. And what moves can beat the tornado from OUTSIDE?
SCOTU
Smash Hero
playing MK =/= playing gay. Playing gay = being stupid (or being really really good depending on what end of the skill spectrum you're talking about, but if he's just picking up a character, it's probably pretty stupid).
Lots of moves beat the tornado, they just need good spacing.
infomon
Smash Scientist
also ppl are way too obsessed with "beating" the tornado, rather than just punishing it afterwards.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
that can actually be rather difficult to do for a handful of characters
Really, picking up MK is the best option in this game,as there are no drawbacks MU wise.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
False. What if you'd play better as a different character, such as snake or Diddy? What if a different combination of characters could allow you to play better (such as snake and diddy)? Maining MK can have drawbacks.
I meant strictly MU wise, but this is all true as well. I fixed what I said, and expanding upon what you said, this is why people should try every character before they settle on a main.
Master Fist
Smash Rookie
I think the reason I'm not very good is that I can beat everyone I face in my local area as 90% of the roster and so I'm not getting any practice with one specific character.
Also I use Smash Balls which I really hate getting hit by if it's a one hit kill and the stock is 2-1, because that usually angers me and throws me off my game which leads to me losing.
Also I use Smash Balls which I really hate getting hit by if it's a one hit kill and the stock is 2-1, because that usually angers me and throws me off my game which leads to me losing.
da KID. Are you the guy using the -The kid name on youtube? If so I'm Johnzobac on there, and you frequently watch the same videos as I do (and comment).
And thanks for the advice guys.
1) Aiming to get good at matchups and at my characters definitely is a better focus than getting better than everyone else.
2) Learning to read opponents and use a single character /character-combination is also a great idea.
Screw MK, I play Falco/Snake.
Really? Smash Balls? You make your town sound like it's dead to smash. Practice one or two characters and learn to do more than just win against 90% of your community (DESTROY them, 3-stock).
And thanks for the advice guys.
1) Aiming to get good at matchups and at my characters definitely is a better focus than getting better than everyone else.
2) Learning to read opponents and use a single character /character-combination is also a great idea.
Screw MK, I play Falco/Snake.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
my yt account is daKIDgamer.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
lol fix'd.
But no seriously, question: How many frames does the Power Shield action take up?
Edit: Btw this thread is very helpful. o_O
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