Gindler
Smash Champion
So after playing snake again, I hate the matchup again. And just when I was starting to get it down, stupid snake and his versatility *pouts*
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Metamorphosis: The Universal Yoshi Matchup Discussion Thread
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Poltergust
Smash Master
True, but if we can get him into the air it's fairly easy to keep him there. Grabs and Egg Lay work well in this regard, mostly because they are the only moves that can out-range Snake.
If you are not properly using your grabs and Egg Lay in this match-up, you're doing it wrong. =P
If you are not properly using your grabs and Egg Lay in this match-up, you're doing it wrong. =P
Metatitan
Smash Master
Unless the snake is at higher %'s, you won't be juggling him. Yoshi's uair has too much end lag to really combo into itself and his double jump has too much predictability to make uair chains successful. Reading airdodges with Uair used to be fun tho :D
Airborne
Smash Lord
just quote the most agreed comments and dem self-evident troofs. nawwwwwwwwmean? ;P
DOUBLE POST.
I EDITED THE OP WITH INFORMATION ON THE YOSHI VS. SNAKE MATCHUP, PLEASE CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING YOU KNOW.
I'M ALSO LOOKING TO FINISH OFF THESE FIVE MATCHUP DISCUSSIONS.
METAKNIGHT, ZERO SUIT SAMUS, SAMUS, ICE CLIMBERS, AND OLIMAR.
THANK YOU AND PLEASE SHARE YOUR KNOWLEDGE SO WE CAN GET THIS THING COMPLETED.
I EDITED THE OP WITH INFORMATION ON THE YOSHI VS. SNAKE MATCHUP, PLEASE CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING YOU KNOW.
I'M ALSO LOOKING TO FINISH OFF THESE FIVE MATCHUP DISCUSSIONS.
METAKNIGHT, ZERO SUIT SAMUS, SAMUS, ICE CLIMBERS, AND OLIMAR.
THANK YOU AND PLEASE SHARE YOUR KNOWLEDGE SO WE CAN GET THIS THING COMPLETED.
Metatitan
Smash Master
When do we get to peach :D
Soon.
See, in the last few pages, all of these characters came up somehow and I want to analyze them further, get more feedback, and finish them off.
We'll do Peach immediately after, let's just focus on these five for now, although I guess I can negotiate...
See, in the last few pages, all of these characters came up somehow and I want to analyze them further, get more feedback, and finish them off.
We'll do Peach immediately after, let's just focus on these five for now, although I guess I can negotiate...
Poltergust
Smash Master
You forgot to include Scatz's take on the match-up. >.>
You could always just submit a matchup summary to the actual matchup sticky.
D:<
Sure, derail the topic, Mr. MyNameIsShiriAndILikeToPretendICanEatAsMuchAsYoshiHimself.
But hurry up and finish those five matchups people, thank you.
Metatitan
Smash Master
Stop meatriding yourself Marik. God and you people think THAT I meatride?
SOVAman
Smash Hero
Marik if you are going to make an alt you gotta be chill
unless you wanna get perma banned. Stop making obvious alt accounts
unless you wanna get perma banned. Stop making obvious alt accounts
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poekmon
Wario in my opinion.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Frown's back? =O
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poekmon
I come here from time to time, but rarely post.
And I think it makes sense to discuss the matchups from top to bottom tier.
And I think it makes sense to discuss the matchups from top to bottom tier.
VSC.D-Torr
Smash Hero
Peach MU should be next
Sharky
Smash Master
it isn't going to go anywhere anyway, cause according to metatitan he's the only peach that knows what he's doing. >_>
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
And Meta's so stubborn about Peach 9001:-8999 Yoshi that it's gonna bad hard to discuss. :D
Sharky
Smash Master
pretty much, let's move on, shall we?
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Deleted member
Guest
I think meta just says its 35:65, which is reasonable.
Me and meta have played this matchup extensively lol
Me and meta have played this matchup extensively lol
Metatitan
Smash Master
Peach vs Yoshi is so ****ing boring for the peach. To **** yoshi you have to space your Dairs, Fairs, and camp really hard with turnips... and that's pretty much it. Spotdodging is bad vs yoshi as is a lot of other options (Bair <3) that I enjoy using so while peach has limited options vs yoshi, the ones she has completely ***** him. It'd be worse if she could kill.
Btw I'm gonna try to learn the MU as pikachu, hopefully it'l be more entertaining.
Btw I'm gonna try to learn the MU as pikachu, hopefully it'l be more entertaining.
Sharky
Smash Master
pika vs yoshi is mad boring if the pika's gay enough, trust me. camp camp camp camp for pika, Yoshi's best bet is to camp the platforms til he gets an opportunity, cause pika can really **** with an approaching yoshi. 60/40 pikachu.
Discuss it from Yoshi's point of view, some more thoughts and matchup ratios from different people would be awesome.
60:40 seems right. Need more insight on what Yoshi can do, though. QAC'ing is really fast, ChainGrabs, stuff like that.
Metatitan
Smash Master
Fine though I really don't see how discussing it in yoshi's point of view makes a difference.
People used to believe yoshi could outcamp peach because eggs have further range. All peach needs to do is get a turnip (meaning she just has to knock you away) and your camp game and approaches become useless.
I try to approach a peach holding a turnip with Bair or egg lay. Turnip beats egg lay head on, but peach can reverse glide toss to punish my landing Bair or forward glide toss if I try a retreating Bair. I try to force a peach holding a turnip with eggs, peach blocks is and glide tosses forward to punish me in my cooldown lag. I can't grab her unless she's made a mistake because turnip beats my grab. I try to double jump Nair her shield but she glide tosses up and puts me in a bad position (granted this is probably my safest attack). My best option is to Z catch the turnips, however peach can use her aerials with ease while holding a turnip.
I try to pressure peach so she has no room to pluck a turnip. Bair can be ***** by her Nair OoS and a retreating Bair gives her room to pluck a turnip. Fair beats out all my approaches except for egg lay, which she can just float backwards to avoid it and Fair me in exchange (as floating is a lot more accurate spacing wise than DJC).
I'm thinking it may be best to try and up smash her. As I go in to up smash her when she's floating, she double jumps backwards and Fairs. I can't up smash her shield because she can up smash me out if it in return.
So here's a character who severely limits what I can do. The fortunate thing is that she can't kill easily and she can make mistakes.
Better Marik?
That's only part of the matchup too, Dair ***** yoshi as well.
People used to believe yoshi could outcamp peach because eggs have further range. All peach needs to do is get a turnip (meaning she just has to knock you away) and your camp game and approaches become useless.
I try to approach a peach holding a turnip with Bair or egg lay. Turnip beats egg lay head on, but peach can reverse glide toss to punish my landing Bair or forward glide toss if I try a retreating Bair. I try to force a peach holding a turnip with eggs, peach blocks is and glide tosses forward to punish me in my cooldown lag. I can't grab her unless she's made a mistake because turnip beats my grab. I try to double jump Nair her shield but she glide tosses up and puts me in a bad position (granted this is probably my safest attack). My best option is to Z catch the turnips, however peach can use her aerials with ease while holding a turnip.
I try to pressure peach so she has no room to pluck a turnip. Bair can be ***** by her Nair OoS and a retreating Bair gives her room to pluck a turnip. Fair beats out all my approaches except for egg lay, which she can just float backwards to avoid it and Fair me in exchange (as floating is a lot more accurate spacing wise than DJC).
I'm thinking it may be best to try and up smash her. As I go in to up smash her when she's floating, she double jumps backwards and Fairs. I can't up smash her shield because she can up smash me out if it in return.
So here's a character who severely limits what I can do. The fortunate thing is that she can't kill easily and she can make mistakes.
Better Marik?
That's only part of the matchup too, Dair ***** yoshi as well.
Much better.
Appreciate it.
Since this is a -Yoshi- matchup guide and analytical thread, it helps people if skilled members gave opinions on what Yoshi should do at any given point and what tactics that player should implement into their game for a particular matchup.
I'll get started on updating the OP right now.
Appreciate it.
Since this is a -Yoshi- matchup guide and analytical thread, it helps people if skilled members gave opinions on what Yoshi should do at any given point and what tactics that player should implement into their game for a particular matchup.
I'll get started on updating the OP right now.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Ness, since I can take care of that easily. 