da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
im so upset that ganon and CF have such good moves yet they are such BAD characters...
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Metaknight iz zo brokn!!!!!!!!!!!!
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viparagon
Smash Ace
yeah... its wierd, but there best moves are jab+uair and dair+uair, not the most most imposrtant moves, and it doesn't mean anything if they can't approach for ****
added up+b, I expected to have a lot of suprises
added up+b, I expected to have a lot of suprises
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
the only problem that i have with the up b list is that i would make pika number 4
viparagon
Smash Ace
Yeha, i thought people might be mad about that. Its completely safe, goes far in any differection, and has QAC. But yeah, I see where your coming from
brinboy789
Smash Champion
wtf D3 bthrow better then ness?!?!? yea its most damaging but ness is most knockback, kills at ridiculous percents for a throw >_> and why is MK and tink in bthrow list anyway? MK is just damaging (12%) and cannot combo whatsoever, and tink can do like 2 bthrow chain from 0% and thats it >_>
viparagon
Smash Ace
I think d3s is better just because of the 16. damage. mks does twelve and kills at like 150 from the middle of FD
demodemo
Smash Ace
sheik's upsmash is good
maybe not like ASGSH but certainly better and more usable than marth and peachs'.
edit- and its sheik lol
maybe not like ASGSH but certainly better and more usable than marth and peachs'.
edit- and its sheik lol
viparagon
Smash Ace
maybe better than marths, but peachs is just like it cept you dont have to sweet-spot it.
ill change it though
what move should I do next?
ill change it though
what move should I do next?
Judge Judy
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Neutral B. Also, Down B will be very tricky with things like transformations and such.
viparagon
Smash Ace
I know I should, but i've been post poning it since its going to be so hard...
oh well.
look back in ten minutes for neutral b
do u think I should do a sort of "tier list" were I assign numeric values to each of the moves and add them up for each character?
oh well.
look back in ten minutes for neutral b
do u think I should do a sort of "tier list" were I assign numeric values to each of the moves and add them up for each character?
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Its not completely safe, Pika can be hit out of it.Yeha, i thought people might be mad about that. Its completely safe, goes far in any differection, and has QAC. But yeah, I see where your coming from
Azzizaz
Smash Apprentice
This list fails. No need to even try and point out why.
viparagon
Smash Ace
woops, did I say completely?
sorry bout that! for clarification, it is NOT just VERY HARD, especially since pika ussually has two options for the first movement.
added nuetral b's per request!
I know! this had no thought and doesn't make since at all! plus its really ugly and has lots of spllign msitekas
cutter
Smash Champion
ZSS still isn't in the top 10 for jabs? It hits on FRAME ****ING ONE.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Remove Pit. His Fsmash is not that good. It lacks range that others have and can be DI'ed out of.
I recommend Diddy since he has methods of landing the Fsmash much more easily than Pit.
Sonic should be in for the top 1 dash attacks. Its as difficult to punish as SNake and Diddy's dash attack. Travels very far, very quickly.
Remove ZSS from top tne Dsmash.
Diddy has a better one as does Luigi.
ZSS Dsmash is unique and useful, but isn't as versatile as the others nor as quick.
I recommend Diddy since he has methods of landing the Fsmash much more easily than Pit.
Sonic should be in for the top 1 dash attacks. Its as difficult to punish as SNake and Diddy's dash attack. Travels very far, very quickly.
Remove ZSS from top tne Dsmash.
Diddy has a better one as does Luigi.
ZSS Dsmash is unique and useful, but isn't as versatile as the others nor as quick.
Judge Judy
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For neutral B remove DK and DDD; DK's punch is good and a great kill move but it's not that fast and there are plenty of better standard B moves, and I have no idea why DDD would even be up there. Anyway, Fox, Mario, and Wolf all have good standard B moves that should be considered for that list.
Azzizaz
Smash Apprentice
I like your sad attempt to be funny by using really bad sarcasm.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
??????
What?
viparagon
Smash Ace
marios is better than luigis, but versatility is the name of the game for ZSS's down smash. zss dsmash is a combo machine, and you can usually get over 2 off on most characters like 5 on link, and 15 on fox, PLUS follow it up with something. u can lead into it from UPB, and do things such as dsmash>uptilt, UB+B, dsmash.
pits fsmash CANNOT be DId out of unless it hits at the very tip it is extremely good for reasons I don't want to repeat for the gazillionth time. Oh, and its also the fastest in the game FYO. FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, WHO'S IS BETTER?
viparagon
Smash Ace
Mr.Victory07
Smash Lord
I know its been said before; but why is this same EXACT thread done like every week?
viparagon
Smash Ace
yes, except I give a **** about it.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
it kills at 150...DK kills earlier >_> and tlink still sucks
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
mmk
Diddy's. Easily. Bananas allow him to trip the opponents and gaurantee the Fsmash.
Glide tossing only enhances that ability.
I don't see what statements you made about Pit and I am not searching through the entire topic for it either. Whata re the reasons?
Its fast yeah but thats it.
There are other smashes that have more range and power than it. I havemanaged to SDI out of it without being caught by the tip.
viparagon
Smash Ace
your right.
pay no heed to the bthrow list for now. I'll fix it up later.
the only thing that I'll put is
1.d3
2.ness
thats diddy's downb that guarentees a hit. diddys fsmash is actually pretty mediocre, check the boards (they say dsmash is better) if diddy had pits fsmash, he'd be better. BTW, I'm still waiting for the better smash...
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
im waiting for the explanation about Pit.
how it is sooo much better than every other character in the game.
how it is sooo much better than every other character in the game.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
does 20% has great knockback and is fast.
not #1 IMO, but still up there in the ranks
viparagon
Smash Ace
Fastest+lingering hitbox +good range+nice hitbox equals win
shadow, you still haven't answered my question about whos is better.
noone has, even though like 100 people have challenged it
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Dk's Fsmash has greater range and does more damage.
Diddy's Fsmash can be glidetossed into with Bananas and is much easier to land.
They ahve methods of setting it up and don't get zoned like Pit does.
Pit has a very fast Fsmash but thats it really.
Like ROB it suffers from range issues and considering that most ofPit's moves are low in range, it can be difficult to land the Fsmash.
There are characters that havean easier time landing their Fsmashes simply due to range.
Fast is good but the range is too poor to really make it #1.
The better Fsmash would be anyone on that list.
Gindler
Smash Champion
Kirby's is a better Fsmash IMO
Crizthakidd
Smash Champion
snakes nair is easily top 5
viparagon
Smash Ace
RANGE PROBLEMS?
lol he has two swords, and it does have greater range than sonics. it kills faster than sonics, its faster than sonics in every sense, And has great sheild stun and push back to boot. As i already said, if diddy had pits fsmash instead of his (without nannerz, which is a seperate attack I'll get too later) he'd be better. you have about as good a shot diing out of diddy's as pits. And dks is way too slow to even be considered sorry, its like saying ikes fsmash is the best!
except for how punichable it is on shield, yeah, it probably is about as good.
Judge Judy
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Yes, why isn't it up there, it's at least better than Peach's.
viparagon
Smash Ace
yeah, i'll put it up, but its not going to be more than 8, since you can di the second hit, it has high ending lag, and is quite situational as apposed to the rest on the list. sorry peach...
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
It does not go beyond his jab range dude.
Unimportant. you mean it multihits.
Dude you're not kidding anyone.
Sonic has an Fsmash that has more range than Pit does without being stutterstepped.
Go check yourself.
Oh and Sonic's Fsmash is disjointed to an extent.
What percentage does it kill fromt he middle of FD with proper DI?
Faster yes.
Don't know what you mean by everysense.
Everyone's Fsmash pushes the opponent back and the shieldstun is not that great.
it has low cooldown time but so does Lucario's and Lucario's has much more range.
Wario's is 1 frame slower than Pit's. Has as good range AND super armor.
and it can't be DI'ed out of.
The versatility of the move must be taken into account.
Simply going on the Fsmash alone is meaningless. If we are going by whats best then Pit's simply isn't the best. It lacks the range many other Fsmashes. All it has is speed and is just 1 frame slower and the first hit doesn't do as much damage as the second and it can be DI'ed from.
If pit is top ten, he should be lower.
its not a bad Fsmash, but its not as good as you make it seem.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
ummmmm what. isnt it just a punch?
viparagon
Smash Ace
warios lag is extreme, that is why it is second.
it is disjointed, thanks to the sword.
warios doesn't have range either, but that doesn't make it bad.
so who exactly are u arguing has a better fsmash?
your naming smashes that have some better qualities than pits, but if you look at all the attributes, pit is the clear winner. LIKE you said, versatility. and the first hit doesnt move the opponent at all.
by every sense, I mean start up and cool down. and the shield stun is amazing.
and PLZ. sonics doesn't kill from center of fd with dI, we both know thats bull****.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Yeah its a punch. That is disjointed around the fist.
Sort of like Sonic's Utilt which is also disjointed.
I don't understand you. You're saying he has two swords so I innterpreted it as meaning he has two hits to the attack.
I know its disjointed.
But it lacks range and is weaker in comparison to other Fsmashes.
Cause its just as fast and has super armor and can be led into more easily.
Anyone else in the top 3.
Pit's is fast but lacks the range and versatility that those do.
The first hit of the Fsmash pops the enemy slightly away and up.
Again those other Fsmashes have more attributes that are better than pit's.
All Pit has on Marth's is speed.
All Pit has on DK is speed.
Again shield stun isn't much.
as for startup and cooldown thats what I mean.
Pit only has speed on those that I mentioned.
You must be joking.
Seriously go test it. I am probably off by a few percents but it does rival pit's in terms of power.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
lawl, a disjointed punch. i wonder how that works XP
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